# Mafia Reunion Day 4

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [January 31, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699 "2017-01-31T21:14:26Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 17

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/321 "2017-02-03T04:12:34Z")

</div>

> [@TexCat](#):
>
> Review of Koldanar.  
> Votes: D1-Lakai D2-SNF D3-no vote
> 
> D1.247 The Understudy vs. A wizard. More than 1 wizard?  
> D1.821 Catching up, but don’t trust the mods. Missed line about 1 of each role.  
> D1.900 Votes Lakai for jumping on the Colby bandwagon, even though Colby’s post does read as off.  
> D2.119 Burby targeted because of post count? Still catching up.  
> D2.271 Disagrees with Angel that JSG repeating her D1 suspicions was suspicious.  
> D2.274 Responds to Lightfoot. Defends Lakai vote on D1.  
> D2.278 Again to Lightfoot. Red & PCM non-posting is anti-town.  
> D2.285 Still to Lightfoot. Suspicious of Inner Stickler for D2.109 where he speculates on a Boozy-Angel scum show.  
> D2.494 Multi-lynch OK in early game. Brewha: I’m fairly confident that he’s on the up-and-up here.  
> D2.528 Explains to Paul about Inner.  
> D2.635 Confused by Crys’s motivations. Why claim?  
> D2.636 Asks for all 3 switch claims.  
> D2.645 Damn java script on mobile.  
> D2.819 Votes SNF. Bandwagons Guiri’s vote on SNF for voting Crys.  
> D2.1070 Explains to Chronos post D2.819.  
> D3.166 OOG: Tree fell. May be quiet.  
> D3.309 Disagrees with Angel when Angel asks are they still in the game.  
> D3.346 ToeJam: barring CC town. Does not like LUTHA voters: JohnnyB, Ender, SNF.  
> [D3.349](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19952794&postcount=349) Lean list. A lot of neutrals.  
> D3.363 Lynching 3P is a mistake.  
> D3.1121 Apologizes for not voting. Promises thoughts later.  
> D3.1132 Lack of kills on D2 could be switches  
> D3.1134 Explains username  
> D3.1135 Asks JohnnyB about why lynching 3P (Sach) is worthwhile.  
> D3.1140 In response to JohnnyB. Agrees with his analysis in D2.990, but still thinks 3P not a good lynch.  
> D3.1144 Information overload in this game.  
> D4.237 Diggit has been under his radar.  
> D4.238 Too much meta from ProfP re why are they still alive  
> D4.239 Agrees with Paul re meta above  
> Koldy only posted 3 times on D1. All of his suspicions and most of his posts on Days 2 and 3 were based around not lynching 3P. And then this from today.
> 
> Koldy, there’s obviously an unknown 3P killer out there. Do you think he should be lynched? Or are you against all 3P lynches? Why do you believe Crys’s claim, but not Sachertorte’s? Why are you so sure that the LUTHA don’t have the ability to kill?

This line of questioning sounds an awful lot like you think Koldanar is an unclaimed cultist… and if so, you are attempting to pressure him into claiming. If you don’t think you found scum, what good does it do town to confront him?

Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/322 "2017-02-03T04:19:17Z")

</div>

> [@Hawkeyeop](#):
>
> Booz’s vote history I likewise find unimpressive even putting aside the weak vote against me day one. His votes are often defensive, voting for people who have voted for him first. He also was very focused are getting rid of third parties, more so then almost anyone else.

Bullshit. The only time I’ve made a vote on someone who voted for me was my vote for **Meeko**. Anyone can see what a bullshit vote he made.

As for the rest of what you said: sure, I try to think like scum, and worry about what scum might be worrying about. Because raising those questions are what enables us to find scum, or to point us in the direction of determining who scum is. That’s… essentially how I play this game as town. Scum don’t need to raise these questions in the general thread, because they can talk this shit out amongst themselves on their private boards.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/323 "2017-02-03T04:27:48Z")

</div>

> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#):
>
> … Scum don’t need to raise these questions in the general thread, because they can talk this shit out amongst themselves on their private boards.

Then they pretend to talk about it in public.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/324 "2017-02-03T04:32:49Z")

</div>

> [@snfaulkner](#):
>
> Then they pretend to talk about it in public.

I guess. Anything I say can be WIFOM’d into a scumtell.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/325 "2017-02-03T04:37:59Z")

</div>

> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#):
>
> Is this a normal thing to ask someone else to do now, or is it weird? To me it’s weird.  
> And then **Prof Pepper** did it! Which I also find weird.

I agree it’s unconventional, but I thought it was effective. I engaged him to give him more rope to hang himself with. IMO that’s what he did with it.

What did I learn from the exercise? He’s overly compliant, but even when doing a pretty specific vote analysis, he comes back with no opinion of his own until pressed. Even then his own analysis pretty much said “I didn’t find anything useful”.

So then I thought, maybe he is just struggling with this game. So I asked him about his previous game experience. And he complied again, but left out a recent game he was in. He says they all blur together, but he was able to recall other games based on specific details.

So… IMO… the whole thing was effective because it gave me more material by which to evaluate Prof. Angel’s gut or no… it’s too much as a whole for me to conclude that he’s just struggling. I would be voting for him, but I’d rather see a Diggit lynch and it seems that idea is picking up support.

Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/326 "2017-02-03T04:48:52Z")

</div>

> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#):
>
> I guess. Anything I say can be WIFOM’d into a scumtell.

That was kinda my point. That particular point by itself is a null tell.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/327 "2017-02-03T04:57:58Z")

</div>

> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#):
>
> I can’t believe I’m having to deign to respond to this list of crap, but it seems at least one other person has bitten on it, so I will.
> 
> 1. Day One vote. I don’t know know what you expect anyone to base a day one vote on; but you’re now basing your day four votes when there is actual information on bulldrek that is as weak as my Day One vote. I probably admitted when making the vote on Hawkeye, and certainly reference often in my discussions in this and every other game that day one votes aren’t substansive because there’s nothing to go on.
> 2. It wasn’t forced, phony light talk. It was light talk. I was joking. I wasn’t trying to build towny cred by ragging on the mods, I was just ragging on the mods for funs’ sake. Do you hate fun?
> 3. I wanted to (and still want to at some point) see a dead LUTHA in order to verify their claim that they’re just a band of merry survivors. Losing two doctors (Doc Seward and The Wizard) in one day puts a lot more pressure on us (oh, sorry, you don’t want me to refer to the town in the first person) on Town, because Doc roles are a huge advantage to Town in the endgame, even if they’re mostly just self protectors in the early game (and bad ones at that in this game.) My priorities have changed. I don’t want Crys’ blood in particular, but I will say that I will be a happier man when one of the five of them gets hit by the mafia or wolves and we can let them settle in as a second mason team. Until we have more proof, though, the Town should remain suspicious of them.
> 4. I didn’t vote PP over self concern. I voted PP because my initial reaction was to look at the second place vote-getter from yesterday. You will note that what I was concerned about turned out to come to fruition, so I’m not completely off base here: the votes are piling up on me, not him. Perhaps because of my poor play toDay, but still. I will vote out of self concern if I need to shift the balance away from me, but that’s because I know that I’m town, and I know lynching me will be our fifth mislynch of town in this game.
> 5. See above. We’re on track for five mislynches of Town (in a game with 14 scum, and no less than five third parties) right now because some of you people think I used “us” for “town” too much on Night Zero and think that’s some end around way of getting everyone to love me.
> 
> I really want to win this game, but the way that people are determining scumminess is obviously not working. I bet half of the scum out there are just sitting quietly throwing in a single comment a day because that’s all it takes to stay out of the limelight and let the occasional\*\* Idle Thoughts\*\* (or possibly now, **BoozySquid** ) melt-down save them.

Meltdowns help no one. Your “meltdown” reminds me way too much of my own meltdown as Scum in a game not that long ago when I was about to go down. Frustration and anger are poor substitutes for debate.

You are also currently voting for \*\*Meeko \*\*based on his single “me too” vote against you. While \*\*Meeko \*\*may be Scum (and I do not like his flyby vote without commentary), this kind of knee-jerk vote on your part gives me the impression you are still much more worried about yourself then Town. Someone votes for you and you vote right back. Is that all you can give us after a month of play?

If you are Town, then convince me. Go reread, listen to others, and try and help. It is only Thursday Night and we have until Sunday to try to get it right. You have seen how fast things can turn around.

Otherwise keep worrying about yourself my vote will stay on you.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/328 "2017-02-03T05:02:23Z")

</div>

> [@Biotop](#):
>
> Meltdowns help no one. Your “meltdown” reminds me way too much of my own meltdown as Scum in a game not that long ago when I was about to go down. Frustration and anger are poor substitutes for debate.
> 
> You are also currently voting for \*\*Meeko \*\*based on his single “me too” vote against you. While \*\*Meeko \*\*may be Scum (and I do not like his flyby vote without commentary), this kind of knee-jerk vote on your part gives me the impression you are still much more worried about yourself then Town. Someone votes for you and you vote right back. Is that all you can give us after a month of play?
> 
> If you are Town, then convince me. Go reread, listen to others, and try and help. It is only Thursday Night and we have until Sunday to try to get it right. You have seen how fast things can turn around.
> 
> Otherwise keep worrying about yourself my vote will stay on you.

Would you say that you are tasting blueberries?

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/329 "2017-02-03T05:04:33Z")

</div>

> [@snfaulkner](#):
>
> Would you say that you are tasting blueberries?

Not the term \*I \*would choose…

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/330 "2017-02-03T06:08:12Z")

</div>

I read that as “yes”.

Anywho, bday boozing in full swing. I’m sorry in advance for any confusion jibber-jabberery from now until…later.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/331 "2017-02-03T06:38:11Z")

</div>

> [@Crys75](#):
>
> I just was trying to keep my word and working with town. However I do need to go back and make sure who asked.

I suggested that you should keep your investigation in reserve, rather than investigating **sachertorte**. The reason is that you can only confirm one player. If (when) more cultists reveal, we will need a way to verify them. And if you have already used up your investigation then you can’t verify someone else.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/332 "2017-02-03T06:39:25Z")

</div>

> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
>
> This may not mean anything. This is simply a list of those surviving players who ended up voting on the bandwagons of now-known-to-be-Town players on D1, D2 and D3.
> 
> BillMC  
> Biotop  
> Captain Klutz  
> Cookies  
> Nesta  
> raventhief  
> sinjin  
> Sunny Daze
> 
> It may be interesting to see how many of these continue to vote for bandwagons of people who prove to be Town.
> 
> I wondered because so many voters have jumped so quickly on bandwagons (yes, including myself except for D3) all three Days. See Inner Stickler’s Post 151 toDay for confirmation.

When I find someone scummy I tend to stick with that feeling until something changes my mind. I did not jump on any bandwagon. I found Toejam suspicious on N1. I backed off of ToeJam when he claimed, but still found him suspicious. Sue me. As for Idle I thought it was better to vote him off the island than have him mod killed, so sue me again.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/333 "2017-02-03T12:23:49Z")

</div>

> [@TexCat](#):
>
> Review of Koldanar.  
> Votes: D1-Lakai D2-SNF D3-no vote
> 
> D1.247 The Understudy vs. A wizard. More than 1 wizard?  
> D1.821 Catching up, but don’t trust the mods. Missed line about 1 of each role.  
> D1.900 Votes Lakai for jumping on the Colby bandwagon, even though Colby’s post does read as off.  
> D2.119 Burby targeted because of post count? Still catching up.  
> D2.271 Disagrees with Angel that JSG repeating her D1 suspicions was suspicious.  
> D2.274 Responds to Lightfoot. Defends Lakai vote on D1.  
> D2.278 Again to Lightfoot. Red & PCM non-posting is anti-town.  
> D2.285 Still to Lightfoot. Suspicious of Inner Stickler for D2.109 where he speculates on a Boozy-Angel scum show.  
> D2.494 Multi-lynch OK in early game. Brewha: I’m fairly confident that he’s on the up-and-up here.  
> D2.528 Explains to Paul about Inner.  
> D2.635 Confused by Crys’s motivations. Why claim?  
> D2.636 Asks for all 3 switch claims.  
> D2.645 Damn java script on mobile.  
> D2.819 Votes SNF. Bandwagons Guiri’s vote on SNF for voting Crys.  
> D2.1070 Explains to Chronos post D2.819.  
> D3.166 OOG: Tree fell. May be quiet.  
> D3.309 Disagrees with Angel when Angel asks are they still in the game.  
> D3.346 ToeJam: barring CC town. Does not like LUTHA voters: JohnnyB, Ender, SNF.  
> [D3.349](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19952794&postcount=349) Lean list. A lot of neutrals.  
> D3.363 Lynching 3P is a mistake.  
> D3.1121 Apologizes for not voting. Promises thoughts later.  
> D3.1132 Lack of kills on D2 could be switches  
> D3.1134 Explains username  
> D3.1135 Asks JohnnyB about why lynching 3P (Sach) is worthwhile.  
> D3.1140 In response to JohnnyB. Agrees with his analysis in D2.990, but still thinks 3P not a good lynch.  
> D3.1144 Information overload in this game.  
> D4.237 Diggit has been under his radar.  
> D4.238 Too much meta from ProfP re why are they still alive  
> D4.239 Agrees with Paul re meta above  
> Koldy only posted 3 times on D1. All of his suspicions and most of his posts on Days 2 and 3 were based around not lynching 3P. And then this from today.
> 
> Koldy, there’s obviously an unknown 3P killer out there. Do you think he should be lynched? Or are you against all 3P lynches? Why do you believe Crys’s claim, but not Sachertorte’s? Why are you so sure that the LUTHA don’t have the ability to kill?

Sure thing - in order :

3p killer lynched? Yes, but at this point in the game, that would also be a mislynch. We don’t know what their win condition could be other than the usual SK stuff. Even a second lynch on a SK right now wouldn’t be the greatest - 39 players, 12 scum, 5 (possible) lutha, and a sk. 21 townies alive, then? We need scum dead, plain and simple.  
Why do I believe Crys, but not sach? First, I’m suspicious of sach, I don’t outright not believe him. As for Crys, this claim came out of nowhere, with no prompting, and still seems like an odd play. If others (like sach did) claimed lutha with her, and weren’t, and lutha comes up as a lie, there’s a big target on everyone that joins in with her. That’s a risky gambit for scum. Sach claimed second, and could easily be a me too with her - without some confirmation, we don’t yet know.

I’m not sure that lutha can’t kill, but see paul’s posts today, as well as my own. A 5 person, 3rd party team, with a kill? Each scum is 7 people, and open - a hidden, 5 player team that can kill would be overpowered in a setup like this.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/334 "2017-02-03T12:29:11Z")

</div>

> [@paulwhoisaghost](#):
>
> This line of questioning sounds an awful lot like you think Koldanar is an unclaimed cultist… and if so, you are attempting to pressure him into claiming. If you don’t think you found scum, what good does it do town to confront him?
> 
> Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk

Thank you, that’s what was bothering me about TexCat’s post.

Khameleon, I still want to address your line I quoted earlier - why even mention you won’t talk about a power role and whether or not you have one?

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/335 "2017-02-03T12:29:27Z")

</div>

> [@Biotop](#):
>
> You are also currently voting for \*\*Meeko \*\*based on his single “me too” vote against you. While \*\*Meeko \*\*may be Scum (and I do not like his flyby vote without commentary), this kind of knee-jerk vote on your part gives me the impression you are still much more worried about yourself then Town. Someone votes for you and you vote right back. Is that all you can give us after a month of play?

You can’t take all people voting for someone out of their potential pool of voting candidates. There are a half dozen people who voted for me before **Meeko** _today_ (much less the past three days) that I’m not voting for. That’s because I’m not placing a vote on **Meeko** for voting for me, I’m voting for him for placing such a bad vote. The fact that it was on me is irrelevant (well, not entirely so, but mostly) to my decision to vote for him. It’s the scummiest thing anyone’s done today. Do you disagree?

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/336 "2017-02-03T12:36:38Z")

</div>

> [@Total\_Lost](#):
>
> Wouldn’t it be ÜBER-COOL if any mafia player throwing a FOS couldn’t post again on other topics before having posted a re-read or case on the FOS’ed player 😉

I have explained my reasons for FOS-ing them. Johnny’s case on me isn’t entirely unlike Thing Fish’s weak case, and Thing Fish was Scum. I posted a fairly long message explaining my issues with Johnny’s accusations in post #229. Hoopy’s “me too” of Johnny’s vote on me therefore also rings suspicious.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/337 "2017-02-03T12:51:52Z")

</div>

> [@GuiriEnEspana](#):
>
> So no fear of being NK-ed, godfather or alpha?

I wasn’t even thinking about being night killed as my focus was entirely on preventing myself from getting lynched. I have no control over whether I’m night killed or not but can try and defend myself from a lynch. Plus if I had been night killed the post would have been irrelevant anyway.

I have to apologize as it’s been a while since I’ve played and wow, I’m doing a pretty crappy job of it so far.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/338 "2017-02-03T13:09:00Z")

</div>

> [@Koldanar](#):
>
> Khameleon, I still want to address your line I quoted earlier - why even mention you won’t talk about a power role and whether or not you have one?

I was trying to sort out why **Thing Fish** decided to build a case on me in the first place and assumed an investigation of some kind was done on me (without checking on the roles first to see that that wouldn’t have been the case). I mentioned the possibility of a role as a WIFOM only. Perhaps not the best idea, but as I said before, my game is a bit off right now.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/339 "2017-02-03T13:30:52Z")

</div>

> [@paulwhoisaghost](#):
>
> This line of questioning sounds an awful lot like you think Koldanar is an unclaimed cultist… and if so, you are attempting to pressure him into claiming. If you don’t think you found scum, what good does it do town to confront him?

Not at all. I don’t think he’s a cultist. I didn’t ask him to claim. I was just thought I was seeing a shift in Koldanar’s position on 3P’s and trying to determine if there was a shift and what might have caused it.

Why are you being so protective of him? What gave you the idea that I was trying to force a claim? Why are you confronting me? What’s wrong with asking questions to both town and scum? Am I supposed to magically find scum first, and then start asking questions?

And Koldanar, thank you for answering. I see that the shift in opinion that I thought I was seeing was not there, or certainly not as big a shift as I had thought.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/340 "2017-02-03T14:09:05Z")

</div>

Hey, Plum!

[Happy Birthday!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR9i-Mjjsws)

[Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=16)

[Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=18)
