# Mafia Reunion Day 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 31, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699 "2017-01-31T21:14:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/361 "2017-02-03T17:54:19Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > As time goes on and we get more info, we likely will begin to tell the difference between mafia and wolves, through voting patterns, interactions, and detective reveals. There probably will come a time where it’s going to matter from which side we choose to lynch. Especially because the only thing we seem to have right now is the lynch if the vig is truly leashed. > > Since when is discussing long term plans a bad thing? Am I supposed to have waited until later in this game to bring it up? What if I’m dead before then? What time do you think it should be brought up? > > Or do you think it’s a bad idea to discuss this in general? If so, why? > > You too, **Pleonast**. Since you agree with her, why do you think it’s so bad? It’s bad because we have to lynch them all. Maybe I’m missing a case, but in any situation where it matters what flavor of Scum we lynch, Town will no longer be a majority of players. So Scum will control the lynch at that point, even if they haven’t won yet. That is, we will have lost, even if the game is not ended. I don’t fancy picking winners between the two factions. While there’s nothing inherently wrong with discussing end game scenarios, we’d do better by lynching any Scum at all rather than discerning if they’re the better flavor. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/362 "2017-02-03T18:05:46Z")
**Day’s not ending early. I just multiplied 24 by 3 and came up with 48. So that’s what you’re dealing with here, folks.** ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/363 "2017-02-03T18:16:14Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > You feel weird to me. Who do you want to lynch toDay? I feel weird to me too. After the whole meltdown with Idle, i haven’t been feeling the game as much, I guess. I have to go to work now, but I will be screwing my courage to the sticking point and doing some (hopefully better) scum hunting when i am done with earning my daily dollars. I’m not happy with my voting record, and I want to be an asset to Town. I will vote later tonight. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/364 "2017-02-03T18:22:39Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > This may not mean anything. This is simply a list of those surviving players who ended up voting on the bandwagons of now-known-to-be-Town players on D1, D2 and D3. > > BillMC > Biotop > Captain Klutz > Cookies > Nesta > raventhief > sinjin > Sunny Daze > > It may be interesting to see how many of these continue to vote for bandwagons of people who prove to be Town. > > I wondered because so many voters have jumped so quickly on bandwagons (yes, including myself except for D3) all three Days. See Inner Stickler’s Post 151 toDay for confirmation. Okay. But what do you think it means? > [@Koldanar](#): > > And, do we know the others can even investigate? Did sach claim he could as well - I seem to recall he mentioned he could, correct? Seems to me if crys confirms sach, he would then confirm, etc. I can. And no, that would be silly. > [@Khameleon](#): > > I didn’t want to add anything more to my previous colossal message so starting a new one. > > So **Johnny Bravo’s** case on me is basically repeating the same few points several times and not even getting everything right (I didn’t vote for **Thing Fish** and I wasn’t the first to mention **Idle’s** inactivity/meta issues). You accuse me of “manufacturing” a post yet you seem to be doing some manufacturing of your own. I’m getting that same instinctual Scummy vibe from you as I did from **Thing Fish**. > > **FOS Johnny Bravo** > > I will also: > > **FOS Hoopy Frood** > > For jumping on Johnny’s ideas without adding anything. It seems like it could be a lazy Scum move. Too much FOS, not enough voting. It’s been a long time since I’ve played as scum, but I do recall not wanting to commit to voting. I always wanted the luxury of knowing which way the wind was blowing before putting down a vote. On paper, it seems easy for scum to move votes around to effect the result they want, but in reality, if my memory is correct, moving votes felt very difficult. > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > I can’t believe I’m having to deign to respond to this list of crap, I’m sorry that the peasants bother you so. :dubious: > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Well, it was D2, and there were 8 non-votes, on D3 there were just 2, one of whom did vote but it was not counted due to format. ToDay no-one is at risk of being mod-killed so I disagree with your take on things. Is that true? It could be true, I’m not sure, but my impression is more in line with Johnny Bravo’s. Ok, quick count and I see 37 players posted with 39 alive. So two missing. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/365 "2017-02-03T18:27:39Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I’m sorry that the peasants bother you so. :dubious: Don’t worry, you bother me as well, sweetheart. The peasants just need to be reminded of it more often. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/366 "2017-02-03T18:30:49Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > which is a typical (to me) freudian slip by scum when a probable lynch involves someone they know is not on their team. Therefore, my call (so far) would be: Garlic smelling was intended to be representative of the mafia. The full body wax, the wolves. Is there a stereotype of Sicilians as a particularly hairy people? ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/367 "2017-02-03T18:30:56Z")
> [@Khameleon](#): > > I wasn’t even thinking about being night killed as my focus was entirely on preventing myself from getting lynched. I have no control over whether I’m night killed or not but can try and defend myself from a lynch. Plus if I had been night killed the post would have been irrelevant anyway. > > I have to apologize as it’s been a while since I’ve played and wow, I’m doing a pretty crappy job of it so far. If you had been night killed you wouldn’t have been able to post at all, so it would have made sense to post at Night before the possibility of you getting killed. You could have reposted toDay in order to have the post in the current thread, but you waited, showing that you didn’t have any concern that you would be killed and your thoughts would go unheard. Your response doesn’t address this logic. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/368 "2017-02-03T18:33:06Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Not at all. I don’t think he’s a cultist. I didn’t ask him to claim. I was just thought I was seeing a shift in Koldanar’s position on 3P’s and trying to determine if there was a shift and what might have caused it. > > Why are you being so protective of him? What gave you the idea that I was trying to force a claim? Why are you confronting me? What’s wrong with asking questions to both town and scum? Am I supposed to magically find scum first, and then start asking questions? > > And Koldanar, thank you for answering. I see that the shift in opinion that I thought I was seeing was not there, or certainly not as big a shift as I had thought. I’m not protecting him, I’m questioning you for your line of questioning and where it leads. How does your line of questioning have any effect on revealing his alignment if he isn’t 3P? Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/369 "2017-02-03T18:35:22Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Hmm I thought there were more. Will have to go back an check. > > Sure you can ask fellow scum, but there are areas such as switches where the town has more info. More to the point, you need to talk about something during the day, and it makes sense to talk about what you are thinking about. What makes you think the town has more info on switches? To know this, you would have to know how much info the scum have on switches. And even then it doesn’t make sense. Any one town might have info on switches, but it would be impossible to share that info with the rest of town without sharing it with scum. Scum can share their info with each other. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/370 "2017-02-03T18:42:35Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > So, the whole thing was a ruse, then? I spent 3+ hours just to be mocked? Or did YOU find anything useful in those pages of data? > > But, why vote for me when you figure the Wolves will NK me, right? > > I realize I’m getting votes for being noncombative, compliant, funny, helpful, &c. &c. &c., but that’s how I play and that’s who I am. > > Regarding not remembering past games? Why should I? I don’t really need that kind of trivia of a day-to-day basis. I try to stay focused in this game. It wasn’t a ruse, I wanted more info on you… I sped up the process. If you had been completely honest and had something to say after spending 3 hours on the request, I would be still be defending you. Having found nothing is an easy cover for not having to take a stance, and combined with the missing game info, and the rest of the reasons you have been found suspicious, I am left with only Angel’s gut to defend you with. It’s not enough. If you are town, I’m sorry but there is way more pointing to you being scum than you being town. As for what I found in the D1 info you provided, it strengthened some leans for me, but no smoking gun. I have a have formed analysis on my computer, but haven’t had enough off time to keep up with the current thread and finish up that analysis. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/371 "2017-02-03T18:43:03Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I can. And no, that would be silly. Sorry - to clarify, I meant you would then confirm the next claimant, if need be. Not that you would cross confirm Crys. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/372 "2017-02-03T19:03:08Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Review of Koldanar. > Votes: D1-Lakai D2-SNF D3-no vote > > Koldy, there’s obviously an unknown 3P killer out there. Do you think he should be lynched? Or are you against all 3P lynches? Why do you believe Crys’s claim, but not Sachertorte’s? Why are you so sure that the LUTHA don’t have the ability to kill? If the \*\*LUTHA \*\*have the ability to kill would that not make them a third scum team? That would seem to pretty damn unfair to town. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/373 "2017-02-03T19:04:06Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > **Day’s not ending early. I just multiplied 24 by 3 and came up with 48. So that’s what you’re dealing with here, folks.** Errr… just to be clear, are we dealing with you changing the fundamentals of mathematics to ensure yourself no modwork on Sunday, or are we dealing with a brainfart? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/374 "2017-02-03T19:08:15Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > If the \*\*LUTHA \*\*have the ability to kill would that not make them a third scum team? That would seem to pretty damn unfair to town. I don’t see much difference between a SK and a team with a kill (esp. if they don’t know each other and can’t communicate privately). I’m not sure why everyone is so insistent that the killer can’t be LUTHA. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/375 "2017-02-03T19:14:40Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Biotop View Post > > Meltdowns help no one. Your “meltdown” reminds me way too much of my own meltdown as Scum in a game not that long ago when I was about to go down. Frustration and anger are poor substitutes for debate. > > > > You are also currently voting for Meeko based on his single “me too” vote against you. While Meeko may be Scum (and I do not like his flyby vote without commentary), this kind of knee-jerk vote on your part gives me the impression you are still much more worried about yourself then Town. Someone votes for you and you vote right back. Is that all you can give us after a month of play? > > > > If you are Town, then convince me. Go reread, listen to others, and try and help. It is only Thursday Night and we have until Sunday to try to get it right. You have seen how fast things can turn around. > > > > Otherwise keep worrying about yourself my vote will stay on you. > > Would you say that you are tasting blueberries? What the heck does this mean? ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/376 "2017-02-03T19:37:53Z")
So, I don’t have much time over the weekend, so I will vote now, and hopefully have time to review if things change. **Vote DiggitCamera** Re-reading the WOWs on you, your posting has consisted of fluff, focus on third parties, seeming attempts to draw out switch information, and constantly mentioning wolves. Mafia? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/377 "2017-02-03T20:00:11Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > What makes you think the town has more info on switches? To know this, you would have to know how much info the scum have on switches. And even then it doesn’t make sense. Any one town might have info on switches, but it would be impossible to share that info with the rest of town without sharing it with scum. Scum can share their info with each other. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk It isn’t that town would necessarily have more information than scum. Rather that town has information that scum doesn’t know. So if Boozy was a scum and wanted to learn more about switches, talking to other scum exclusively would not give him as much information as involving town/other entities. Town isn’t going to reveal all information they know on switches, but they did reveal some and that would help a scum get a fuller picture. ---
**Author:** ![Cygnus42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Cygnus42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cygnus42)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/378 "2017-02-03T20:03:45Z")
Hi all - I’m coming out of the haze of being sick for much of the week, and have mainly read everything here on Day 4. My general thoughts - - nice to see a couple dead wolfs appear at the end of Day 3 - some unexpected good news for once in this game. Too bad about Idle, but by the end it was pretty much unavoidable. - Good (I suppose) to see ToeJam confirmed as the Doc, though bad to be down another power role. - I agree with those who believe that the LUTHAs are not a priority for town right now - they appear to be harmless. It seems likely that if there’s a SK, he/she is probably independent of the LUTHAs. This makes the SK more of a threat though… I see several people defending **Prof P**. still, or at least being willing to back off a bit with him (paul giving him more rope…). I still have the same suspicions that I did from Day 3, and earlier. Even before subbing in, and just reading along with the game, I thought Prof seemed off somehow. Nothing has changed for me on that front. I need to spend some time understanding the case on **Boozahol** , who has a comfortable lead in votes right now - and also understand the case on **DiggitCamara** , who’s approximately tied with Prof for 2nd place. I will ponder a little more before tossing up a vote. I’ll put my vote back on Prof P if I don’t see something more worthwhile after reviewing Boozahol and Diggit. I’ll definitely have a vote up before the End of Day though. ---
**Author:** ![Cygnus42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Cygnus42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cygnus42)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/379 "2017-02-03T20:07:07Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > It isn’t that town would necessarily have more information than scum. Rather that town has information that scum doesn’t know. So if Boozy was a scum and wanted to learn more about switches, talking to other scum exclusively would not give him as much information as involving town/other entities. Town isn’t going to reveal all information they know on switches, but they did reveal some and that would help a scum get a fuller picture. This is a good point, if one scum team owns multiple switches, they’ll immediately compare notes and all have a better understanding. It’s probably fair to assume that both scum teams have discussed the implications of all the switches they own, and just need to fill in the blanks as best they can about the town switches. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/380 "2017-02-03T21:41:45Z")
Evening all. Apologies for the silence so far Today. I had some news, possibly bad. last Monday. RL spoiler[spoiler]My kidneys may be showing signs of failure. Alternatively, I may not have drunk enough water before blood was drawn. You can guess which one I want it to be, and which one kept me up into the early morning three nights in a row this week. No prizes guessing which is which. Retest is next Friday.[/spoiler]I’m going to reread so I can place an informed vote. (Ha!) I should have some time as it’s 46 hours to Dusk (unless the mods have moved Nightfall, in which case a link would be appreciated.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=20)