# Mafia Reunion Day 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 31, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699 "2017-01-31T21:14:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/381 "2017-02-03T22:11:02Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Evening all. > > Apologies for the silence so far Today. I had some news, possibly bad. last Monday. > > RL spoiler[spoiler]My kidneys may be showing signs of failure. > > Alternatively, I may not have drunk enough water before blood was drawn. > > You can guess which one I want it to be, and which one kept me up into the early morning three nights in a row this week. No prizes guessing which is which. > > Retest is next Friday.[/spoiler]I’m going to reread so I can place an informed vote. (Ha!) I should have some time as it’s 46 hours to Dusk (unless the mods have moved Nightfall, in which case a link would be appreciated.) Ouch! Really sorry to hear that. Hope all goes well for you. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/382 "2017-02-03T23:44:28Z")
> [@Koldanar](#): > > Why do I believe Crys, but not sach? First, I’m suspicious of sach, I don’t outright not believe him. As for Crys, this claim came out of nowhere, with no prompting, and still seems like an odd play. If others (like sach did) claimed lutha with her, and weren’t, and lutha comes up as a lie, there’s a big target on everyone that joins in with her. That’s a risky gambit for scum. Sach claimed second, and could easily be a me too with her - without some confirmation, we don’t yet know. **Sachertorte** wasn’t just a “me too”, it included some pretty clear breadcrumbs. Why do you discount these breadcrumbs? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/383 "2017-02-04T00:29:32Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > (snip) > I was with you on SNF, just after you’d unvoted, as were Texcat and Koldanar. > (snip) > What’s the slip? Garlic & waxing? > (snip) I honestly don’t remember anyone backing me on SNF. I have to re-read it. And maybe now it’s time to re-read SNF’s participation and see if the case we had before still holds up. Concerning the slip: it’s only remotely a freudian slip. I shouldn’t have used that term. What I meant to say is that during these games very often scum will feebly disparage a lynch which they know to be of townsfolk, and that Boozy did that in the post I quoted. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/384 "2017-02-04T00:43:25Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > I honestly don’t remember anyone backing me on SNF. I have to re-read it. And maybe now it’s time to re-read SNF’s participation and see if the case we had before still holds up. > > Concerning the slip: it’s only remotely a freudian slip. I shouldn’t have used that term. What I meant to say is that during these games very often scum will feebly disparage a lynch which they know to be of townsfolk, and that Boozy did that in the post I quoted. On re-read of the events as they unfolded: the reason (back then) that I desisted on trying to get SNF lynched was the whole Crys/third party brouhaha. I still believe that we should have clarified that deal before we let them be but I realize that on that issue I REALLY am a minority, and a very unpopular one at that. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/385 "2017-02-04T00:56:51Z")
I have been wondering about snfaulkner for a few (small d) days. I figure it is mostly due to the smaller cozier, fluffier games I usually play on GB. I am not ready to vote for anyone, but SNF does seem a bit different than he usually does. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/386 "2017-02-04T01:10:14Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Concerning the slip: it’s only remotely a freudian slip. I shouldn’t have used that term. What I meant to say is that during these games very often scum will feebly disparage a lynch which they know to be of townsfolk, and that Boozy did that in the post I quoted. Yeah, you could read it that way. Or you could read it as someone seeing what a weak case, even for a day one lynch, that was. You know, this entire game is just packed full of people who somehow are tossing out votes the weakest of smears based on desperate hopes. Tons of walls of words are being posted that are then completely ignored. Perhaps it’s just rosy memories of the past, but I remember these games as being an exercise in analysis. This game is just watching a bunch of chickens running around killing each other, while the foxes lie low and cackle. Or whatever noise foxes make. Yip. Yeah, they’re yipping. Happily. Number one town-tell in this game is getting strung up. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/387 "2017-02-04T01:56:11Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Evening all. > > Apologies for the silence so far Today. I had some news, possibly bad. last Monday. > > RL spoiler[spoiler]My kidneys may be showing signs of failure. > > Alternatively, I may not have drunk enough water before blood was drawn. > > You can guess which one I want it to be, and which one kept me up into the early morning three nights in a row this week. No prizes guessing which is which. > > Retest is next Friday.[/spoiler]I’m going to reread so I can place an informed vote. (Ha!) I should have some time as it’s 46 hours to Dusk (unless the mods have moved Nightfall, in which case a link would be appreciated.) Holy cow MHaye. I’m so sorry to hear this. Best wishes and I hope the test was bad. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/388 "2017-02-04T02:19:10Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > It’s bad because we have to lynch them all. Maybe I’m missing a case, but in any situation where it matters what flavor of Scum we lynch, Town will no longer be a majority of players. So Scum will control the lynch at that point, even if they haven’t won yet. That is, we will have lost, even if the game is not ended. I don’t fancy picking winners between the two factions. > > While there’s nothing inherently wrong with discussing end game scenarios, we’d do better by lynching any Scum at all rather than discerning if they’re the better flavor. I disagree. First blood has been spilled. Wolves need to even the score and mafia will want to retain their lead. If a wolf kill or a lynch takes out a mafia, they are going to want to take out a wolf. As long as they are hunting each other, it would behoove town to try to strike a balance that maintains their bloodlust for each other. Right now, all mafia has to do to win is keep killing whomever they want. Wolves now need to kill 3 mafia in addition to the overall population goal. Don’t you think that demands that they change strategies? And if they are, then shouldn’t town? Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/389 "2017-02-04T02:22:50Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > If the \*\*LUTHA \*\*have the ability to kill would that not make them a third scum team? That would seem to pretty damn unfair to town. +1 Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/390 "2017-02-04T02:24:30Z")
> [@Koldanar](#): > > So, I don’t have much time over the weekend, so I will vote now, and hopefully have time to review if things change. > > **Vote DiggitCamera** > > Re-reading the WOWs on you, your posting has consisted of fluff, focus on third parties, seeming attempts to draw out switch information, and constantly mentioning wolves. > > Mafia? My conclusion as well. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/391 "2017-02-04T02:25:57Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > It isn’t that town would necessarily have more information than scum. Rather that town has information that scum doesn’t know. So if Boozy was a scum and wanted to learn more about switches, talking to other scum exclusively would not give him as much information as involving town/other entities. Town isn’t going to reveal all information they know on switches, but they did reveal some and that would help a scum get a fuller picture. Got it. Your use of the word more to mean additional as opposed to greater than is what threw me. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/392 "2017-02-04T02:28:05Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I disagree. First blood has been spilled. Wolves need to even the score and mafia will want to retain their lead. If a wolf kill or a lynch takes out a mafia, they are going to want to take out a wolf. As long as they are hunting each other, it would behoove town to try to strike a balance that maintains their bloodlust for each other. Right now, all mafia has to do to win is keep killing whomever they want. Wolves now need to kill 3 mafia in addition to the overall population goal. Don’t you think that demands that they change strategies? And if they are, then shouldn’t town? > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk I’m still bday drunk and not exactly 100 up to date since yesterday. Bur are you suggesting that wolves will now be possibly be voting in a more concentrated fashion to push a lynch of whom they think is mafia? Because I can see that. While mafia votes will be all over the place, still trying to hide. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/393 "2017-02-04T02:28:43Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > +1 > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk I agree with the idea that an additional team of five with the ability to kill would be really unfair to Town. But… I have had something rattling around in my skull. Cult leaders tend to be bad guys, right? So would a Cult Leader who is also a SK be beyond the pale? IE One member of the Cult is a SK, and thus kills, but the rest of them are trying to survive? Feel free to mock me but again, it’s been rattling around in my head. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/394 "2017-02-04T02:32:22Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I disagree. First blood has been spilled. Wolves need to even the score and mafia will want to retain their lead. If a wolf kill or a lynch takes out a mafia, they are going to want to take out a wolf. As long as they are hunting each other, it would behoove town to try to strike a balance that maintains their bloodlust for each other. Right now, all mafia has to do to win is keep killing whomever they want. Wolves now need to kill 3 mafia in addition to the overall population goal. Don’t you think that demands that they change strategies? And if they are, then shouldn’t town? > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk What on earth makes you think that the wolves haven’t been hunting mafia from the get go? If they could lead a lynch on a mafia, it would increase their town cred. Plus a dead body is just a dead body to them. I don’t see any change in their strategy. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/395 "2017-02-04T02:33:33Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I agree with the idea that an additional team of five with the ability to kill would be really unfair to Town. But… I have had something rattling around in my skull. > > Cult leaders tend to be bad guys, right? So would a Cult Leader who is also a SK be beyond the pale? IE One member of the Cult is a SK, and thus kills, but the rest of them are trying to survive? > > Feel free to mock me but again, it’s been rattling around in my head. If Manson is of any precedent, he got others to kill for him. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/396 "2017-02-04T02:34:34Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > I honestly don’t remember anyone backing me on SNF. I have to re-read it. And maybe now it’s time to re-read SNF’s participation and see if the case we had before still holds up. > > Concerning the slip: it’s only remotely a freudian slip. I shouldn’t have used that term. What I meant to say is that during these games very often scum will feebly disparage a lynch which they know to be of townsfolk, and that Boozy did that in the post I quoted. I haven’t had any issues with SNF’S participation. He’s seemed pretty active and fluff aside he does comment on cases, strategy thoughts, potential ways town can gain an edge, the cultists, 2nd lynch, etc… I don’t recall any wow analysis, though. If that’s your issue with him, I think there are players with worse participation. But it would be interesting to see a wow on SNF, if nothing else to reaffirm my thoughts on him. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/397 "2017-02-04T02:41:00Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I’m still bday drunk and not exactly 100 up to date since yesterday. Bur are you suggesting that wolves will now be possibly be voting in a more concentrated fashion to push a lynch of whom they think is mafia? Because I can see that. While mafia votes will be all over the place, still trying to hide. Yes… and/or using their kill to target someone they suspect is mafia. At least, that’s what I would do. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/398 "2017-02-04T02:42:48Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > **Sachertorte** wasn’t just a “me too”, it included some pretty clear breadcrumbs. Why do you discount these breadcrumbs? This is a really good question. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/399 "2017-02-04T02:45:52Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I agree with the idea that an additional team of five with the ability to kill would be really unfair to Town. But… I have had something rattling around in my skull. > > Cult leaders tend to be bad guys, right? So would a Cult Leader who is also a SK be beyond the pale? IE One member of the Cult is a SK, and thus kills, but the rest of them are trying to survive? > > Feel free to mock me but again, it’s been rattling around in my head. What would be the difference between the two scenarios? Do you think the cult leader would have a different wincon than the rest of the cult? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/400 "2017-02-04T02:46:48Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Yes… and/or using their kill to target someone they suspect is mafia. At least, that’s what I would do. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk I think they’re more likely to push a mafia lynch, and use the NK on whomever is bothering them the most, regardless I’d town ot mafia. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=21)