# Mafia Reunion Day 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 31, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699 "2017-01-31T21:14:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/41 "2017-01-31T23:54:14Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Do you not think that extra day death could be attributed to LUTHA? It certainly has to be some 3P. Your continued defense of LUTHA leads me to suspect that you might be a cultist. I’m pretty sure I have already said this, but for the record I am not a cultist. Is it possible LUTHA are responsible for the extra Day death on D3? Yes. But if so, they took out a wolf… they couldn’t have known it was a wolf when they targeted, but maybe they had reason to suspect the target was scum. We’re either of the Daykills proponents of lynching 3P? I will have to go back and check. But with scum getting killed, I think it boosts scum incentive to find out who else is out there killing town is just as in the dark as ever, scum just had a wake up call. I expect a lot more people being vocal about wanting to lynch 3P now. In a game this size, it’s a marathon, not a sprint… everyone is chomping at the bit for info that town can afford to wait for. This is the third Day this topic has been a prominent discussion point. Stop wasting time and put your money where you mouth is or move on. I stated my opinion on the matter as clearly as possible. Until someone goes and does some scum hunting and comes back with a potential lynch candidate AND THEN advocates using the second lynch on 3P, I’m not going to suddenly agree. I’ll just get pinged and see the potential scum motivation behind it. I can’t stop anyone from lynching the 3P, if you are so for it, why isn’t your vote on one of them? Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/42 "2017-02-01T00:09:07Z")
I still don’t want to lynch a 3rd party. But I do have to FOS Crys for yesterDay. You’ve stated you’re non hostile. You’ve stated that your intention is to help Town. But you place a vote on me simply because I questioned your story’s legitimacy and then checked out the rest of the Day. That’s not helping Town. That’s being lazy. Sorry to see you go Angel and ToeJam. I voted for ToeJam on Day 1. But each day I became more and more convinced you were Town. Alas. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/43 "2017-02-01T00:13:26Z")
I’m a bit surprised that **ToeJam** actually was truthful. He was almost certainly self protecting last Night, so he was probably a victim of the Hitman. **Angel** was probably the wolf kill, so again there was no vig kill. It looks like our vig is indeed out of action. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/44 "2017-02-01T00:17:01Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > I’m a bit surprised that **ToeJam** actually was truthful. He was almost certainly self protecting last Night, so he was probably a victim of the Hitman. **Angel** was probably the wolf kill, so again there was no vig kill. It looks like our vig is indeed out of action. Not to get too into the weeds, but if there is a doc/protection switch…then who knows… ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/45 "2017-02-01T00:18:26Z")
I’m happy to do two lynches toDay, but I am definitely not happy to make one of them a claimed cultist, for the reasons that I, and others, have already said. For now, I will redo my vote from yesterDay: **Vote Boozahol Squid** ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/46 "2017-02-01T00:27:21Z")
> [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/955): > > **Thing Fish** had a fishy thing for **Pleo**. He kept making a case for him every Day it seems. > > Lightfoot (288), HookerChemical (295-621), ThingFish(297-1000), jsgoddess(976-1038) all voted for Pleo on Day Two and Paulwhoisaghost(116-158), Plumpudding(222-552), and HookerChemical(814) voted for Pleo in Day Three. > > Maybe we can infer that the wolves have a strategy of sorts and that if **Thing Fish** wanted to build a case against **Pleo** , then maybe other wolves would do the same thing. \*\*Jsgoddess \*\*did vote for Pleo when it wasn’t that popular on Day 2. That makes \*\*HookerChemical \*\*seem pretty scummy to me for his votes on Pleo on Days two and three. > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/960): > > I think you may be right. I also think that maybe it makes it more likely that Pleo _is_ Mafia? I never really understood what he was going on about with Thing Fish, but given that he was right, perhaps it was a form of PIS? > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/963): > > Here is a list of other people who were at one point suspicious of Pleo on Day Three when it wasn’t that popular: > > Nesta says Pleo needs a good looking at (103) > Paulwhoisaghost voted for Pleo (116) > Plumpudding votes Pleo (222) > Snaulkner says Pleo is a scum lean (276) > Koldanar has Pleo as scum lean on his list (349) > Hockey Monkey has Pleo leaning scum on her list (367) > HookerChemical votes Pleo (814) > Snfaulkner is ok with Pleo murder (822) > > Jsgoddess also has posts casting suspicion on Pleo, which makes me think Thing Fish’s suspicion on Pleo was not a lone wolf situation. It might have been a coordinated strategy to take him down for some reason. This means that other wolves would have also tried to cast suspicion on Pleo. It’s unlikely that Thing Fish and Jsgoddess were the only wolves to go after Pleo. Following this logic I’ll probably be voting for someone off this list on Day Four. > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/994): > > If your theory is correct, it’s likely Hooker. (I mean, it could be other people too, but he’s the first place I’d look.) > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Vote HookerChemical for the reasons mentioned above. I added our fallen Angel’s posts to show she supported the idea and because she can no longer post to support it toDay. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/47 "2017-02-01T00:27:57Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > I’m a bit surprised that **ToeJam** actually was truthful. He was almost certainly self protecting last Night, so he was probably a victim of the Hitman. **Angel** was probably the wolf kill, so again there was no vig kill. It looks like our vig is indeed out of action. I could see the Vig going after ToeJam as well. If we can drum up participation I’m pro double lynch for the same reason I’m pro vigs killing whenever possible. Town directed kills are better than Non-town kills. Given that every suspect from day 1 was town, I’d expect to scum to divide their votes. I need to go over the vote records, but would consider it a minor town cred to share votes with the wolves. Of course there are two scum types, and it won’t say anything about the other one. Crys: I might have missed it, but did you ever investigate and confirm Sachertorte? ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/48 "2017-02-01T01:06:37Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > I’m happy to do two lynches toDay, but I am definitely not happy to make one of them a claimed cultist, for the reasons that I, and others, have already said. > > For now, I will redo my vote from yesterDay: > **Vote Boozahol Squid** While I’m afraid I don’t entirely agree with your vote, I’m now convinced of the don’t-kill-the-cultists idea. Even with two scum taken down yesterday, we’ve lost most of our town power roles, and I’m starting to think that the luxury of killing a cultist is starting to slip away from us. I think that using two lynches in an attempt to hit scum is going to be the best idea, even if I am fairly sure that the odds are still in favor of one of them being another Townie. We still do have the numbers to do that and win. I have no idea if it’s likelier that the Vig killed **ToeRoosh** or if he went after someone else and the Hitman redirected the kill onto him. I’m not what other than self protecting a Doc in **Rooshjam** ’s situation would be. That leaves a Wolf kill on **Angel** , which I admit looks like a real smear on me. Why would the wolves want to do that? Well, I imagine because it’s an attempt to save one of their own: which means I’m thinking the most obvious candidate is **Prof.Pepperwinkle**. **vote: The Professor** ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/49 "2017-02-01T01:10:57Z")
Two players really pinged me at the end-of-day yeterDay. In [Post 882](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960060&postcount=882), Idle flamed out, posting a screenshot which effectively proved his townliness. Once he did that, he was all-but-confirmed, and was likely going to be modkilled if he wasn’t lynched. He did that late enough in the Day that it likely wasn’t going to save him, having a pretty good lead in the vote count. Still, better to lynch an unknown than a known-town, so I (and several others) unvoted him. However, we also had these two: 1: **PlumPudding** unvoted **Idle** in [Post 889](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960110&postcount=889), but then revoted him a half-hour later in [Post 897](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960156&postcount=897). 2: **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** voted for him in [Post 917](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960443&postcount=917). In both these cases, we had players _voting for town_. Did he deserve a vote before posting that screenshot? Absolutely – I didn’t beleive a word of his claim. But once he made that post, he was as close as known town as one can be without specific mod confirmation. So to **PlumPudding** and **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** , I would love an explanation – why would you vote for town knowing that he was town? Alternately, did you have some reason to think his claim was in some way false? ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/50 "2017-02-01T01:17:20Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > I have no idea if it’s likelier that the Vig killed **ToeRoosh** or if he went after someone else and the Hitman redirected the kill onto him. I’m not what other than self protecting a Doc in **Rooshjam** ’s situation would be. There are no redirects in this game. (Barring possible third party, but any compulsory killing role in the same game as a redirector is bastard.) The Hitman/Outrider are essentially assassins with a significant limit to their powers. It doesn’t matter what’s actually done to the target under protection of a doctor. The target can have no one other than the Hitman/Outrider and one or more doctor type roles targeting it, and all the doctors will die. A self-protecting doctor will die by extension of this. All protections on the target are successful, but the doctors themselves die. So the Hitman/Outrider aren’t killing their target. Their killing the protector of their target. If that protector happens to be the target himself, well, the target dies. But only because they self-protected. They are not redirecting anything. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/51 "2017-02-01T01:22:48Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > … > > That leaves a Wolf kill on **Angel** , which I admit looks like a real smear on me. Why would the wolves want to do that? Well, I imagine because it’s an attempt to save one of their own: which means I’m thinking the most obvious candidate is **Prof.Pepperwinkle**. > > [color=blue] **vote: The Professor** [color] Wait, what? I might be a bit preoccupied at the moment, but I’m not sure I follow this. Angel was town and defending prof, wolves killed angel in order to protect a wolfen prof? I think if prof was a wolf, they would want to keep angel alive as long as possible defending him…right? ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/52 "2017-02-01T01:23:02Z")
> [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1028): > > First of all, you were not “right” about anything. You made what you admitted at the time was an OMGUS vote. Let’s look at the interaction again. > > Thing Fish voted for you in D3#638. First he says that ToeJam is probably lying scum. Then he says that ProfP should be a lynch contender rather than Idle. Then he says he did a reread on you. > > More on this in a moment. Let’s look at Meeko’s vote on you in D3#319 > > Meeko’s vote actually kind of sucked, he never followed up on it, and it stayed on you through the end of the day. So here’s your response to Thing Fish’s vote: > > Meeko’s vote is fair even though he basically ghosted after placing it. But Thing Fish, who built a (weak) case, is apparently scummy for building it. > > But it’s **this** line that makes you look suspicious. > > **This vote feels to me like it’s being cast by someone scummy who knows my alignment is Town and has knowledge about me, possibly from an investigation or whatnot.** > > This makes no sense at all. Scum really couldn’t care less what alignment you are - they need to kill everyone who isn’t on their team. And there’s nothing in his post that would suggest he somehow knows you’re Town rather than a cultist or a Mafioso. > > No, that entire post feels manufactured. It 100% sounds like you’re creating an opportunity to a) declare that you’re town and b) do so in a conversation with someone that you know will someDay flip scum. > > Then you vote for him. So now he’s got a safe/worthless vote on you and you’ve got a safe/worthless vote on him. This is a pretty common scum tactic. Manufacture a little scuffle between teammates, get some pro-town votes on the record. > > And then, the cherry on all of this is your response to my comment about pinging: > > This is you taking credit for something that you can’t reasonably take credit for. The only way you were “right about Thing Fish being scummy” in the context of your exchange is if we agree that you knew it all along. > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1041): > > More Khameleon thoughts. Please note that rereads in this game are going to be pretty focused and I won’t be able to track down all the threads of every conversation. I welcome all corrections. > > This stuff is pretty minor, but I’m reading with an eye towards Khameleon being a wolf and seeing what pops out at me. > > D2#66. Makes an “oh no” comment about the town deaths and then is actually the one who floats the idea that Idle might be inactive for meta reasons. He got it backwards, but it still started that conversation. If this was a purposeful scum move (getting it wrong to get the ball rolling), it was **crazy** clever. > > D2#207: When talking about scum, refers to them as “Wolf and Mafia” teams rather than collectively as scum. Prioritizes the wolf team. > > D3#593: Votes Idle for meta reasons even though he doesn’t like meta reasons. Is also the one who brought up said meta reasons. > > There’s honestly not much more to go on. Very little posting, but that’s what I got out of a brief reread. > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/1083): > > Two wolves down, so we have third party killer on the loose. With two scum teams, the voting record is less useful than usual, and jsgoddess’ list holds little water. > > Pleo vs Think Fish - Pleo’s case was that Thing knew something about the scum boards; but for Pleo to call that out he’d have to be scum too…staged wolf on wolf banter, mafia on wolf, or did pleo figure out something the rest of us missed. Undecided. > > The beta wolf seems to be a fairly limited role as the beta getting killed when the target was someone else just gets the original target lynched/killed next cycle - seems to be a role that only has value at the end game. So jsgoddess was most likely the true target. I was pretty neutral on her, need to back and look at what she posted. > > Given Thing’s flip, I agree this post from Khameleon is even stranger than it was on the first read. > > The only “investigative” role the scum have are the one shot watch that the omega wolf/consigliere have. “knowledge about me” is more of a bakery than a breadcrumb that Khameleon is claiming a power and did something that he thinks someone saw him do. > Why did Khameleon pretty much admit he was up to something at night? over reaction to a singe vote? schoolboy error? > If he is a town power, why did the mafia or 3rd party killer not take him out? > Something is not adding up. > > Total makes a fair case on DiggitCamara in d3#1024, worthy of some further thought/discussion. **vote Khameleon** Yes, I’m riding the coattails of Johnny Bravo and BillMc here. I really don’t have anything additional to add to the case. It’s a pretty solid one. I’d also be happy with a Diggit lynch, as I’ve mentioned previous Days. Boozy, too. (Though, I don’t find him as scummy as the other two.) Those are my top suspects right now. I would be in favor of lynching 2 of those 3 toDay. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/53 "2017-02-01T01:29:40Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Two players really pinged me at the end-of-day yeterDay. > > In [Post 882](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960060&postcount=882), Idle flamed out, posting a screenshot which effectively proved his townliness. Once he did that, he was all-but-confirmed, and was likely going to be modkilled if he wasn’t lynched. > > He did that late enough in the Day that it likely wasn’t going to save him, having a pretty good lead in the vote count. Still, better to lynch an unknown than a known-town, so I (and several others) unvoted him. However, we also had these two: > > 1: **PlumPudding** unvoted **Idle** in [Post 889](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960110&postcount=889), but then revoted him a half-hour later in [Post 897](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960156&postcount=897). > > 2: **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** voted for him in [Post 917](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960443&postcount=917). > > In both these cases, we had players _voting for town_. Did he deserve a vote before posting that screenshot? Absolutely – I didn’t beleive a word of his claim. But once he made that post, he was as close as known town as one can be without specific mod confirmation. So to **PlumPudding** and **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** , I would love an explanation – why would you vote for town knowing that he was town? Alternately, did you have some reason to think his claim was in some way false? I can’t speak for them, but if they were anything like me…I was d-o-n-e DONE with Idle at that point, and had no interest in following any links he might post. I didn’t know he posted a screenshot until someone else said so, and can safely say I wouldn’t care. That’s inadmissible evidence IMO. In the last game at GB, when he was mod-killed, he started a thread about his modkill while the game was still ongoing and implored active players to come comment on the active game, in an thread outside of the game. I wasn’t having any of that either. I wasn’t voting for him during his game, but my help wasn’t needed there, and I had zero problems with him being yesterDay’s lynch. I think it’s kinda crummy that you would try to take anybody to task for not unvoting him after he posted a gd mf _screenshot_. That’s so outside the spirit of the game to do in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/54 "2017-02-01T01:30:59Z")
NETA: “his game” = “this game” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/55 "2017-02-01T01:37:37Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Vote HookerChemical for the reasons mentioned above. I added our fallen Angel’s posts to show she supported the idea and because she can no longer post to support it toDay. So your case is that for an unknown reason the wolves decided that Pleo needs to go and were mounting a campaign against him in order to get him lynched? And that the “suspicions” of two known scum means anyone else that was also suspicious makes them scummy? If you had knowledge of Pleo alignment I could see this case, but even then you can’t seriously think all the wolves are at play here? If so, that would make Pleo a pretty big deal for them, and if that’s the case, why is he still alive? I trust Angel’s instincts, but I would think she would use this as a reason to take a closer look at someone, not as the sole justification for their lynch. I counter your argument with an alternate and IMO more likely scenario. Thingfish had a problem with Pleo because Pleo had him red handed in possession of PIS.( I still the case was weak, but it was right… so what do I know? The real point here is that TF KNOW Pleo was right and TF had to do something about it right?) So what does he do? He turns the argument around in a very confusing manner, and when he garners a few people not on his team who are also voicing suspicion of Pleo, it becomes safe enough for a teammate to lend a hand. Thus JSGoddess joins the scene. Meanwhile, you’ve got town hunting all scum and mafia hunting town and wolves… so everyone is voicing suspicions and some honest suspicions are coming from everyone. We have reason to. So we are voicing suspicions and it benefits scum sometimes and they capitalize on that… that doesn’t make us wolves, or scum in general… You think Hooker is a wolf? Show me more. Right now your vote reads to me as mafia trying to use capitalize on their recent FU to the wolves by pushing poor logic and voting in the pool that was suspicious of Pleo. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out that you are mafia, and Pleo is town, and since the wolves doubled up on him, and he’s not on your team, that makes him likely town and a safe place to act as a guardian. If you think hooker is scum, show me why… back this up with something else he has posted that reinforces your case. It’s D4, there are plenty of posts to go through… surely there must be more. If you are town, you can do better than this. If you are scum, well… you can do better than this. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/56 "2017-02-01T01:38:13Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > I think it’s kinda crummy that you would try to take anybody to task for not unvoting him after he posted a gd mf _screenshot_. I’m not doing that at all. This has nothing to do with people who didn’t unvote him – it’s about the two people who actively _voted_ for him even though he was as close to confirmed town as can be. That just a special kind of messed up to me. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/57 "2017-02-01T01:38:26Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Why do you think that? A Wolf on the Colby wagon knows he is not a Wolf sure, but doesn’t know he isn’t a Mafia, and vice versa. Why would you jump off one person you know isn’t on your team for someone else that you know isn’t on your team? This isn’t standard mafia, and a lot of traditional scum hunting ideas don’t hold water. > > I completely agree with you regarding lynching third party. It’s absolutely ridiculous to even consider right now. The odds of the death reveal saying something like non-hostile is sub 1%, and there’s still way too many Days still to go to worry about them win stealing. > [@Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/2): > > RULES AND REGULATIONS ~~snipped~~ > > ` > [li]Death reveals (including for lynch and Night/Day kill victims) will include the role name and alignment of the player. No additional information will be provided.[/li] this should put paid to that? ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/58 "2017-02-01T01:39:06Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > So the Hitman/Outrider aren’t killing their target. Their killing the protector of their target. If that protector happens to be the target himself, well, the target dies. But only because they self-protected. They are not redirecting anything. Right, right. I know that technically it’s not a redirect, but practically it serves as one, because it only works if a kill is coming at a target, and the result of that kill means that the doc dies, not the target of the original kill. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/59 "2017-02-01T01:40:41Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > While I’m afraid I don’t entirely agree with your vote, I’m now convinced of the don’t-kill-the-cultists idea. Even with two scum taken down yesterday, we’ve lost most of our town power roles, and I’m starting to think that the luxury of killing a cultist is starting to slip away from us. I think that using two lynches in an attempt to hit scum is going to be the best idea, even if I am fairly sure that the odds are still in favor of one of them being another Townie. We still do have the numbers to do that and win. > > I have no idea if it’s likelier that the Vig killed **ToeRoosh** or if he went after someone else and the Hitman redirected the kill onto him. I’m not what other than self protecting a Doc in **Rooshjam** ’s situation would be. > > That leaves a Wolf kill on **Angel** , which I admit looks like a real smear on me. Why would the wolves want to do that? Well, I imagine because it’s an attempt to save one of their own: which means I’m thinking the most obvious candidate is **Prof.Pepperwinkle**. > > **vote: The Professor** This…just looks weird. I’m on my mobile so I’m just posting this so I can remember to look into it a bit more tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/60 "2017-02-01T01:41:13Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Hey, um, so… Life happens you know. And so we are running behind. Mea Culpa x3. > > Two are dead from town so you get to lynch two! Don’t ask me the lynch threshold though, I was never good at math. Mahaloth will be along shortly to post that and a countdown clock. \*\*I’m caught up. Any Night Actions, if any, have been resolved. If anyone feels otherwise, let me know via pm. ToDay, the top vote getter will die of course. The second vote getter will die if he/she reaches 14 votes. The Day will end on Sunday at 3:00 Eastern. [Here is a countdown to that time.](https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/election?iso=20170205T15&p0=77&font=cursive)\*\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=4)