# Mafia Reunion Day 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 31, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699 "2017-01-31T21:14:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/61 "2017-02-01T01:41:25Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Wait, what? I might be a bit preoccupied at the moment, but I’m not sure I follow this. Angel was town and defending prof, wolves killed angel in order to protect a wolfen prof? I think if prof was a wolf, they would want to keep angel alive as long as possible defending him…right? You’re right. I was looking at the vote totals from yesterday, not so much Angel’s specific actions. This game has a _lot_ to take account of, and I’m not doing the diligence I would have if it was a bit smaller. **unvote: ProfP** I’ll need to think about this more. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/62 "2017-02-01T01:51:54Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Vote HookerChemical for the reasons mentioned above. I added our fallen Angel’s posts to show she supported the idea and because she can no longer post to support it toDay. I’m sorry, but it’s bugging me so I have to add that it really bothers me that you are calling on Angel’s good name like this. Read her words. She said that Hooker would be a good place to start. As in, if you are going to go down that rabbit hole, that’s where I would start looking. Not, come in first thing and cast a vote in my name for Hooker. I interpreted her words to mean “This might be possible, I’m not gonna spend to much time on it. If you do, start with Hooker, I’m suspicious of him already which means you might be right.” Spinning me up like a top… you are pinging me hardcore. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/63 "2017-02-01T01:59:41Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > I’m a bit surprised that **ToeJam** actually was truthful. He was almost certainly self protecting last Night, so he was probably a victim of the Hitman. **Angel** was probably the wolf kill, so again there was no vig kill. It looks like our vig is indeed out of action. This seems the most likely scenario. Alternatively, the vigilante got TJ, but I think scum have the only switch and are keeping Batman locked down. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/64 "2017-02-01T02:00:58Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Have we earned the **right** to use two lynches? Note, I didn’t say the ability. I’m simply asking, if we take the risk, is there…is there a reason to do so? > . > > How can we be sure that our votes will split up that way? **Slight Ping on TL here.** If the group votes true- and we get 2 lynches- so be it. But if it is orchestrated \*at all \*the accountablilty factor will be removed . Unless -yes there is one - Player is voting the lynch leader and is suspect of the runner up too when the threshold is reached- switching then will include the burden. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/65 "2017-02-01T02:06:53Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Wait, what? I might be a bit preoccupied at the moment, but I’m not sure I follow this. Angel was town and defending prof, wolves killed angel in order to protect a wolfen prof? I think if prof was a wolf, they would want to keep angel alive as long as possible defending him…right? You could argue that the Wolves wanted the last image of Townie Angel to be was how sure she was of Prof being Town. The problem with that logic is that there was no way for them to know that Angel wouldn’t flip Mafia. If she does, how many people are coming in right now and beating the drum hard to lynch Prof since he’s clearly Mafia now? A lot. Too risky a plan I think. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/66 "2017-02-01T02:14:32Z")
[quote=“LightFoot, post:57, topic:778699”] > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by storyteller0910 View Post > RULES AND REGULATIONS > ~~snipped~~ > > `[li]Death reveals (including for lynch and Night/Day kill victims) will include the role name and alignment of the player. No additional information will be provided.Originally Posted by storyteller0910 View Post[/li]RULES AND REGULATIONS > ~~snipped~~ > > `[li]Death reveals (including for lynch and Night/Day kill victims) will include the role name and alignment of the player. No additional information will be provided.[/li][/QUOTE] > this should put paid to that? I guess I’ve heard this expression before, but not one that I would ever use. But just to add that [Crys’s PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19936233&postcount=561) shows: > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by NAF1138 > Welcome to the game; you are The Second Deacon of the Cult of Lutha > > **ALIGNMENT: Third Party (Non-Hostile)** > YOU WIN along with all members of the Cult, living or dead, if any of the (number redacted) Cultists of Lutha are alive when the game ends in any way. > > BACKGROUND: > Some people venerate wealth or power, or chase sirens of fame or possessions. Not you. You care nothing for the bloodlust of the Werewolves, or the base greed and pinstripes of the Mafia, or even for the pleasant camaraderie of the Town. You are the Cult of Lutha, and your numbers are legion. Actually, your numbers are (redacted). You don’t know one another’s names or faces, but so long as even one of you remains alive, the principles of Lutha will triumph in the end. > > (Postscript: “Lutha” stands for “Leave Us the Hell Alone.” You are no threat to any side. Good luck convincing them of this). > > POWERS: > You may investigate any player by Night to determine whether your target is a fellow Cultist. However, once you successfully find such a player, you may no longer continue to investigate. I note that (Non-Hostile) appears as part of her alignment. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/67 "2017-02-01T02:15:05Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > Not just the top vote getter, not the top two, but the top FOUR vote getters Day One were town. If there were scum jumping, it was likely to be to get on a viable candidate that wasn’t going to flip town at Dusk. Wolves doesn’t know if a player is Town or Mafia Mafia doesn’t know is a player is Town or Wolf I don’t quite follow- where you were going here but I am tired ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/68 "2017-02-01T02:17:53Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I agree with Mr. Wyatt Earp above that we need to take both lynches while we can. odd since there are some calling for you to be #2 ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/69 "2017-02-01T02:20:00Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I guess I’ve heard this expression before, but not one that I would ever use. But just to add that [Crys’s PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19936233&postcount=561) shows: > I note that (Non-Hostile) appears as part of her alignment. Assuming she didn’t edit it… ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/70 "2017-02-01T02:25:22Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I guess I’ve heard this expression before, but not one that I would ever use. But just to add that [Crys’s PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19936233&postcount=561) shows: > I note that (Non-Hostile) appears as part of her alignment. possible semantics for the Mods to dust . I would seem they would’t toss that bit out in the reveal ( thus confirming the LUTHA) but… you never know. Fair enough. Perhaps that is why we had a Mod distract us with a cute animal linky ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/71 "2017-02-01T02:26:41Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Assuming she didn’t edit it… and there in lies the rub ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/72 "2017-02-01T02:36:45Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I still don’t want to lynch a 3rd party. But I do have to FOS Crys for yesterDay. > > You’ve stated you’re non hostile. You’ve stated that your intention is to help Town. But you place a vote on me simply because I questioned your story’s legitimacy and then checked out the rest of the Day. That’s not helping Town. That’s being lazy. > > Sorry to see you go Angel and ToeJam. > I voted for ToeJam on Day 1. But each day I became more and more convinced you were Town. Alas. Wait- was the vote ’ simply’ for your questioning- or because you are acting scummy? and your last comment has pings ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/73 "2017-02-01T02:43:35Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > odd since there are some calling for you to be #2 And I understand that a lot of people don’t agree with my methods. I’m Town and don’t want to be an imposition to others finding Scum. While I would much really rather live through the game, if Town votes to lynch me, I won’t take it personally. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/74 "2017-02-01T02:44:47Z")
I am not feeling well at the moment, so i doubt I will spending much on the game tonight. I don’t like the orchestrating of the 2nd lynch, because it seems like the vote record becomes useless. If people switch around the votes JUST to get the 2nd lynch, then you can’t really analyze it the next day, right? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/75 "2017-02-01T02:47:03Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > I’m a bit surprised that **ToeJam** actually was truthful. He was almost certainly self protecting last Night, so he was probably a victim of the Hitman. **Angel** was probably the wolf kill, so again there was no vig kill. It looks like our vig is indeed out of action. almost certainly ? probably? the assumptions here are — well just– I had you on my short list early on- now I have to look at you again. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/76 "2017-02-01T02:51:46Z")
\*\* Hal \*\* at that point we were all full of \*\* Idle\*\* - I don’t really think you can read much into that mess ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/77 "2017-02-01T02:56:08Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Two players really pinged me at the end-of-day yeterDay. > > In [Post 882](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960060&postcount=882), Idle flamed out, posting a screenshot which effectively proved his townliness. Once he did that, he was all-but-confirmed, and was likely going to be modkilled if he wasn’t lynched. > > He did that late enough in the Day that it likely wasn’t going to save him, having a pretty good lead in the vote count. Still, better to lynch an unknown than a known-town, so I (and several others) unvoted him. However, we also had these two: > > 1: **PlumPudding** unvoted **Idle** in [Post 889](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960110&postcount=889), but then revoted him a half-hour later in [Post 897](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960156&postcount=897). > > 2: **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** voted for him in [Post 917](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960443&postcount=917). > > In both these cases, we had players _voting for town_. Did he deserve a vote before posting that screenshot? Absolutely – I didn’t beleive a word of his claim. But once he made that post, he was as close as known town as one can be without specific mod confirmation. So to **PlumPudding** and **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** , I would love an explanation – why would you vote for town knowing that he was town? Alternately, did you have some reason to think his claim was in some way false? It’s hard to assign scum motivation to anyone voting for Idle. What was the alternative? Enough people unvoted, ProfP was lynched and Idle truly went idle and was mod-killed today. Two deaths as opposed to one. Wouldn’t scum like that better? Unless you think ProfP was scum, and the people voting Idle were trying to save ProfP??? ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/78 "2017-02-01T02:59:45Z")
Paulwhoisaghost, can you help me out with your abbreviations? What does PIS mean? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/79 "2017-02-01T03:01:45Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > You’re right. I was looking at the vote totals from yesterday, not so much Angel’s specific actions. This game has a _lot_ to take account of, and I’m not doing the diligence I would have if it was a bit smaller. > > **unvote: ProfP** > > I’ll need to think about this more. you looked at vote totals- made your conclusion \* without reading the exchanges? \* How would you even mate Angel with Prof. for any reason without reading the connection? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/80 "2017-02-01T03:07:10Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Paulwhoisaghost, can you help me out with your abbreviations? What does PIS mean? Perfect Information Syndrome. Something scums usually have over town. But it is a bit muddier this game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=5)