# Mafia Reunion Day 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 31, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699 "2017-01-31T21:14:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/81 "2017-02-01T03:07:16Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Paulwhoisaghost, can you help me out with your abbreviations? What does PIS mean? I am not paul but it is Perfect Information Syndrome ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/82 "2017-02-01T03:08:52Z")
[A Mafia Glossary.](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131366-Mafia-Glossary) Perfect Information Syndrome: When a mafioso accidentally reveals he knows more than the average uninformed townie really should, either through directly declaring such information while talking about something else, or through their voting patterns. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/83 "2017-02-01T03:12:57Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > you looked at vote totals- made your conclusion \* without reading the exchanges? \* > How would you even mate Angel with Prof. for any reason without reading the connection? Because I was looking for why I was looking for why scum would kill **Angel**. While I was feeling a scum lean on her, not many other people were, but she and I have had a lot of back and forth, and I felt like it was a sladner. So I looked for who scum might have been trying to protect by framing me. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/84 "2017-02-01T03:13:58Z")
NETA: slander. (killing a Town **Angel** makes me look like a better lynch target) ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/85 "2017-02-01T03:15:45Z")
ninja’d by SNF I had a hell of a day at work today-[sub] surprise! audit that others new about last month[/sub] compounded with what is happening in my personal. [sub] hubby still in nursing home [/sub] I am catching up and some of my posts may read harsh before someone says this is out of character for me- today was not the day to give me something to bite on ( on any level) beers are helping and I will explain my quips if/when asked ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/86 "2017-02-01T03:21:09Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > NETA: slander. (killing a Town **Angel** makes me look like a better lynch target) You kind of looked like one anyway. are you saying you think your voters are mostly Scum? EOD (last) your lynch would not have saved a Scum- I don’t see the connection. I have not researched the timing at this time and the barley pop will prevent that this evening. I will look see with clearer head though ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/87 "2017-02-01T03:21:10Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Unless you think ProfP was scum, and the people voting Idle were trying to save ProfP??? I think that _if_ **ProfP** eventually flips scum, then there will certainly be those in **Idle** ’s voting bloc who would have had an opportunity to unvote him, but did not do so in order to save **ProfP**. So yes, if **ProfP** flips scum, then I’d have to say **PlumPudding** and **CTTDSWHCookies** would look exceptionally suspicious, as well as any in the **Idle** voting bloc who posted at some point between **Idle** ’s final post and the end of day, but did not remove their vote from a near-certain town-aligned player (haven’t looked at who that would encompass yet). ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/88 "2017-02-01T03:25:59Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > While I’m afraid I don’t entirely agree with your vote, I’m now convinced of the don’t-kill-the-cultists idea. Even with two scum taken down yesterday, we’ve lost most of our town power roles, and I’m starting to think that the luxury of killing a cultist is starting to slip away from us. I think that using two lynches in an attempt to hit scum is going to be the best idea, even if I am fairly sure that the odds are still in favor of one of them being another Townie. We still do have the numbers to do that and win. > > I have no idea if it’s likelier that the Vig killed **ToeRoosh** or if he went after someone else and the Hitman redirected the kill onto him. I’m not what other than self protecting a Doc in **Rooshjam** ’s situation would be. > > That leaves a Wolf kill on **Angel** , which I admit looks like a real smear on me. Why would the wolves want to do that? Well, I imagine because it’s an attempt to save one of their own: which means I’m thinking the most obvious candidate is **Prof.Pepperwinkle**. > > **vote: The Professor** What? Why kill Angel? She was Professor’s biggest defender come EoD. And she slipped town, if Prof is a wolf it wouldn’t make sense for the wolves to kill someone who is defending him. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/89 "2017-02-01T03:26:31Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > You kind of looked like one anyway. are you saying you think your voters are mostly Scum? > EOD (last) your lynch would not have saved a Scum- I don’t see the connection. No. I imagine that there are some scum amongst the people that have said they have scum pings on me, but I imagine that like most “scum leans” in these games, it’s mostly town. I was suggesting that _today_ a lynch of me would prevent a lynch of scum. So pushing a case against me with the death of **Angel** would galvanize Town away from someone else. I looked at yesterday’s vote total to find out who might be the obvious frontrunner for lynch today that scum might want to nudge away from. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/90 "2017-02-01T03:30:20Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Wait, what? I might be a bit preoccupied at the moment, but I’m not sure I follow this. Angel was town and defending prof, wolves killed angel in order to protect a wolfen prof? I think if prof was a wolf, they would want to keep angel alive as long as possible defending him…right? You beat me to it, but this was exactly my reaction. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/91 "2017-02-01T03:35:28Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > this should put paid to that? It does indeed, I am even more against lynching cultists with that. Thank you for pointing out the obvious. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/92 "2017-02-01T03:39:31Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > You beat me to it, but this was exactly my reaction. Let me make my thought process as crystal as possible, because I’m concerned that I’ve been somewhat incoherant. 1. Day Four Dawns. Angel is dead. She’s town. 2. BoozySquid (that’s me) thinks to himself “Crap. Not only did we lose two townies last night, but **Angel** was Town.” 3. BoozySquid realize that the heat he’s been taking over the past few days is likely to increase because he was on the wrong side of a now-confirmed-dead Townie. 4. BoozySquid determines that **Angel** was likely killed by the Wolves. 5. BoozySquid wonders why the wolves would kill Angel instead of some other Townie. To slander him! (He’s a bit of a narcissist, you know) 6. Boozy looks at who the wolves might have been protecting: the second place vote-getter from yesterday! Places vote without much further consideration. 7. BoozySquid realizes how obnoxious it is to write about himself in the third person and promises not to do it again. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/93 "2017-02-01T03:45:28Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Paulwhoisaghost, can you help me out with your abbreviations? What does PIS mean? Perfect Information Syndrome. When someone knows something town shouldn’t know the have PIS. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/94 "2017-02-01T03:47:11Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Captain Klutz > > I’m a bit surprised that ToeJam actually was truthful. He was almost certainly self protecting last Night, so he was probably a victim of the Hitman. Angel was probably the wolf kill, so again there was no vig kill. It looks like our vig is indeed out of action. > > almost certainly ? probably? the assumptions here are — well just– > I had you on my short list early on- now I have to look at you again. **ToeJam** was the Doctor. It’s difficult to see him protecting anyone else, so yes, I would say that he was almost certainly self protecting last Night. From which it follows that the Hitman is his most likely cause of death. Do you think it at all likely that he did not self protect last Night? (Yes, I know it is not a certainty. But it does look the most likely scenario). ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/95 "2017-02-01T03:47:57Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > So your case is that for an unknown reason the wolves decided that Pleo needs to go and were mounting a campaign against him in order to get him lynched? And that the “suspicions” of two known scum means anyone else that was also suspicious makes them scummy? If you had knowledge of Pleo alignment I could see this case, but even then you can’t seriously think all the wolves are at play here? If so, that would make Pleo a pretty big deal for them, and if that’s the case, why is he still alive? Pleo seemed important enough for TF to go after him for three Days. What makes me think more wolves than TF are involved is because the case against Pleo was pretty weak and Jsgoddess, another wolf, also joined the case. Maybe the wolves needed a town person to try and lynch and they thought Pleo was a good target? Maybe Pleo is a wolf and the other wolves are engaging in subterfuge by being suspicious of him? Maybe as you stated, TF turned an argument around on Pleo, and other wolves decided to join? > [@](#): > > Meanwhile, you’ve got town hunting all scum and mafia hunting town and wolves… so everyone is voicing suspicions and some honest suspicions are coming from everyone. We have reason to. So we are voicing suspicions and it benefits scum sometimes and they capitalize on that… that doesn’t make us wolves, or scum in general… I don’t think that everyone who was suspicious of Pleo is scum. But I think the people who were suspicious of Pleo are worth a closer look. The reason I picked Hooker is because he seemed more suspicious of Pleo than everyone else. > [@](#): > > You think Hooker is a wolf? Show me more. Right now your vote reads to me as mafia trying to use capitalize on their recent FU to the wolves by pushing poor logic and voting in the pool that was suspicious of Pleo. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out that you are mafia, and Pleo is town, and since the wolves doubled up on him, and he’s not on your team, that makes him likely town and a safe place to act as a guardian. > > If you think hooker is scum, show me why… back this up with something else he has posted that reinforces your case. It’s D4, there are plenty of posts to go through… surely there must be more. > > If you are town, you can do better than this. > > If you are scum, well… you can do better than this. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk I’ve made my case against Hooker and I’m sticking with it until something better comes along. If you don’t like it then vote for someone else. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/96 "2017-02-01T03:48:41Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > ninja’d by SNF > > I had a hell of a day at work today-[sub] surprise! audit that others new about last month[/sub] compounded with what is happening in my personal. [sub] hubby still in nursing home [/sub] > > I am catching up and some of my posts may read harsh > > before someone says this is out of character for me- today was not the day to give me something to bite on ( on any level) > > beers are helping and I will explain my quips if/when asked I like it. You cut straight to the point. You should play this way all the time. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/97 "2017-02-01T03:49:03Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Let me make my thought process as crystal as possible, because I’m concerned that I’ve been somewhat incoherant. > > 1. Day Four Dawns. Angel is dead. She’s town. > > 2. BoozySquid (that’s me) thinks to himself “Crap. Not only did we lose two townies last night, but **Angel** was Town.” > > 3. BoozySquid realize that the heat he’s been taking over the past few days is likely to increase because he was on the wrong side of a now-confirmed-dead Townie. > > 4. BoozySquid determines that **Angel** was likely killed by the Wolves. > > 5. BoozySquid wonders why the wolves would kill Angel instead of some other Townie. To slander him! (He’s a bit of a narcissist, you know) > > 6. Boozy looks at who the wolves might have been protecting: the second place vote-getter from yesterday! Places vote without much further consideration. > > 7. BoozySquid realizes how obnoxious it is to write about himself in the third person and promises not to do it again. Got it. The bumbling dolt vote. Been there, done that, and been voted for it. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/98 "2017-02-01T03:57:37Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Let me make my thought process as crystal as possible, because I’m concerned that I’ve been somewhat incoherant. > > 1. Day Four Dawns. Angel is dead. She’s town. > > 2. BoozySquid (that’s me) thinks to himself “Crap. Not only did we lose two townies last night, but **Angel** was Town.” > > 3. BoozySquid realize that the heat he’s been taking over the past few days is likely to increase because he was on the wrong side of a now-confirmed-dead Townie. > > 4. BoozySquid determines that **Angel** was likely killed by the Wolves. > > 5. BoozySquid wonders why the wolves would kill Angel instead of some other Townie. To slander him! (He’s a bit of a narcissist, you know) > > 6. Boozy looks at who the wolves might have been protecting: the second place vote-getter from yesterday! Places vote without much further consideration. > > 7. BoozySquid realizes how obnoxious it is to write about himself in the third person and promises not to do it again. If you are scum back pedaling, you play a really good paranoid townie…or mafia concerned about retaliation. I wasn’t concerned about you being scum because Angel died, but I’m a little more suspicious now. If there is some weird conspiracy out to get you, they aren’t doing a very good job and you should have let them take the initiative… but then paranoia does cause one to get triggerhappy. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/99 "2017-02-01T04:00:15Z")
Hi SNF, we cross post like crazy. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/100 "2017-02-01T04:02:13Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Pleo seemed important enough for TF to go after him for three Days. What makes me think more wolves than TF are involved is because the case against Pleo was pretty weak and Jsgoddess, another wolf, also joined the case. Maybe the wolves needed a town person to try and lynch and they thought Pleo was a good target? Maybe Pleo is a wolf and the other wolves are engaging in subterfuge by being suspicious of him? Maybe as you stated, TF turned an argument around on Pleo, and other wolves decided to join? > > I don’t think that everyone who was suspicious of Pleo is scum. But I think the people who were suspicious of Pleo are worth a closer look. The reason I picked Hooker is because he seemed more suspicious of Pleo than everyone else. > > I’ve made my case against Hooker and I’m sticking with it until something better comes along. If you don’t like it then vote for someone else. I am. If you are gonna one and done, that tells me a lot, especially when the one isn’t very convincing and you are around enough to defend it. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=6)