# Mafia Reunion Day 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 31, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699 "2017-01-31T21:14:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/101 "2017-02-01T04:03:50Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > The bumbling dolt vote. > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > If there is some weird conspiracy out to get you, they aren’t doing a very good job and you should have let them take the initiative… …thanks… :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/102 "2017-02-01T04:08:00Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Let me make my thought process as crystal as possible, because I’m concerned that I’ve been somewhat incoherant. > > 1. Day Four Dawns. Angel is dead. She’s town. > > 2. BoozySquid (that’s me) thinks to himself “Crap. Not only did we lose two townies last night, but **Angel** was Town.” > > 3. BoozySquid realize that the heat he’s been taking over the past few days is likely to increase because he was on the wrong side of a now-confirmed-dead Townie. > > 4. BoozySquid determines that **Angel** was likely killed by the Wolves. > > 5. BoozySquid wonders why the wolves would kill Angel instead of some other Townie. To slander him! (He’s a bit of a narcissist, you know) > > 6. Boozy looks at who the wolves might have been protecting: the second place vote-getter from yesterday! Places vote without much further consideration. > > 7. BoozySquid realizes how obnoxious it is to write about himself in the third person and promises not to do it again. I thought I was done tonight. I lied. Between this and your previous post I flagged for follow up, I’m getting all sorts of pings from you here. You know, when someone dies in this game, my first thought isn’t “well shit. This totally implicates me, doesn’t it?” And my first action isn’t to come online and try to explain to people how this totally doesn’t implicate me. First, because the thought would never occur to me to do so. But second, because I know I’m innocent, so why would I need to bother trying to justify or premtively explain anything? If someone wants to make a case, let them. I’m innocent. But these don’t look like the actions of an innocent guy. You sure are trying to spend a heck of a lot of time justifying what should be a complete non- **Vote Boozahol Squid, P.I.** ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/103 "2017-02-01T04:11:28Z")
Whelp. I told you all I was Town! It’s been a pleasure. And take care, **Ullz**! I’m sure I’ll be around somewhere! -R ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/104 "2017-02-01T04:12:39Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > …thanks… :smack: I believe it was folly, I just don’t think it necessarily points to town. I don’t know if you are town or mafia, but you have succeeded in convincing me you aren’t a wolf. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/105 "2017-02-01T04:14:58Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Pleo seemed important enough for TF to go after him for three Days. What makes me think more wolves than TF are involved is because the case against Pleo was pretty weak and Jsgoddess, another wolf, also joined the case. Maybe the wolves needed a town person to try and lynch and they thought Pleo was a good target? Maybe Pleo is a wolf and the other wolves are engaging in subterfuge by being suspicious of him? Maybe as you stated, TF turned an argument around on Pleo, and other wolves decided to join? > > I don’t think that everyone who was suspicious of Pleo is scum. But I think the people who were suspicious of Pleo are worth a closer look. The reason I picked Hooker is because he seemed more suspicious of Pleo than everyone else. > > I’ve made my case against Hooker and I’m sticking with it until something better comes along. If you don’t like it then vote for someone else. the thing between Pleo and ThingFish \*( be careful using short short hand it makes you look more familiar with the player- I had to think ,who is TF?) \* the way I read it Pleo was turning it on THingFish. I participated in the discussion - even- as to your ‘case’ on Hooker .in your words I will ask you ( later) to flesh it out better if the quotes you supplied don’t bear witness . ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/106 "2017-02-01T04:17:54Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > But these don’t look like the actions of an innocent guy. You sure are trying to spend a heck of a lot of time justifying what should be a complete non- Day One? Sure. Who cares if people think you’re scum. Hell, who cares if you’re lynched, as long as you’re not a critical power role? Day Four, when 12 out of 14 (or whatever the actual count is; I think that’s about right) dead people are town? And the town’s power roles are half of those dead townies? I worry about a mislynch. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/107 "2017-02-01T04:21:05Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > the thing between Pleo and ThingFish \*( be careful using short short hand it makes you look more familiar with the player- I had to think ,who is TF?) \* > the way I read it Pleo was turning it on THingFish. I participated in the discussion - even- > > as to your ‘case’ on Hooker .in your words I will ask you ( later) to flesh it out better if the quotes you supplied don’t bear witness . That’s interesting, I read the whole situation as either Pleo was scum and trying to take a stab at Thingfish but it turned sour… or… they were both scum but on different teams. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/108 "2017-02-01T04:29:06Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > That’s interesting, I read the whole situation as either Pleo was scum and trying to take a stab at Thingfish but it turned sour… or… they were both scum but on different teams. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk A sober-er me can drag it up if needed ( later) but my take was Scum Pleo was grasping on ThingFishes disagreement/confusion over Pleo’s initial post on the subject. I didn’t speak to me about ThingFishes alignment either way but I saw ( see) Pleo as Scum If that makes any sense? ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/109 "2017-02-01T04:30:14Z")
@ProfessorPepperwinkle, I trust townie Angel’s gut. I’m gonna give you a pass for your eccentric techniques so far. I’m content with giving you as much rope to hang yourself with as possible. Wanna help me with something? I’m going to start rereading D1,2, and 3. Can you provide vote numbers and summaries if I were to ask for them? For example, I’d like to see who jumped off the main contenders on D1, the count at the time of their vote change and any reasoning they give. If it’s too much, I’ll do without or figure it out later, but I figured with your skill at figures it might be a lot easier for you to figure out than I. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/110 "2017-02-01T04:39:37Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > A sober-er me can drag it up if needed ( later) but my take was Scum Pleo was grasping on ThingFishes disagreement/confusion over Pleo’s initial post on the subject. I didn’t speak to me about ThingFishes alignment either way but I saw ( see) Pleo as Scum > > If that makes any sense? Similar logical conclusions… but I cringe a little that you didn’t also consider that Thingfish could be scum. I’m leaning town on you, so if you are scum and deceiving me, I wanted to let you know that it pings me so you could go back to your magnificent performance… if you’re not, keeping going down your path and I’ll follow mine, maybe they lead to the same place. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/111 "2017-02-01T04:49:44Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Similar logical conclusions… but I cringe a little that you didn’t also consider that Thingfish could be scum. I’m leaning town on you, so if you are scum and deceiving me, I wanted to let you know that it pings me so you could go back to your magnificent performance… if you’re not, keeping going down your path and I’ll follow mine, maybe they lead to the same place. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk I never said I didn’t think ThingFish wasn’t another brand of Scum. or in another way that I thought he was Town - I have not applied hindsight to my thought process.,yet. If you can leave that on the shelf for now self thought analysis will occur after sleeping. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/112 "2017-02-01T05:40:06Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > **vote Khameleon** [/color] > > Yes, I’m riding the coattails of Johnny Bravo and BillMc here. I really don’t have anything additional to add to the case. It’s a pretty solid one. > > I’d also be happy with a Diggit lynch, as I’ve mentioned previous Days. > > Boozy, too. (Though, I don’t find him as scummy as the other two.) > > Those are my top suspects right now. I would be in favor of lynching 2 of those 3 toDay. Oh, I can also see myself voting for Prof. Pepperwinkle if it’s needed for a double lynch, but he’d be my fourth pick for the votes. > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > [A Mafia Glossary.](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131366-Mafia-Glossary) > > Perfect Information Syndrome: When a mafioso accidentally reveals he knows more than the average uninformed townie really should, either through directly declaring such information while talking about something else, or through their voting patterns. I’m going to take one issue with this definition. PIS refers to any time any role consciously or subconsciously, accidentally or intentionally states additional knowledge beyond what the game at large knows/could reasonably surmise. It’s not just a mafioso thing. Town power roles have been targeted by scum who sniff out that the player is revealing information that they shouldn’t know if they’re merely vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/113 "2017-02-01T05:54:31Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Good question, and I’m not sure I know the answer. They (scums) do seem to be taking out the top yappers and solid players pretty consistently…but with so many to choose from…yeah, might be too early. I am way behind in this game. Sorry folks, life overwhelmed me. I will do my best to catch up and contribute. I am finally off work Wednesday. I don’t see why loud talkers/ super Scum hunters would survive long in this game even if they are Scum. The other Scum team would eventually kill them I would think. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/114 "2017-02-01T06:06:21Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > I can’t speak for them, but if they were anything like me…I was d-o-n-e DONE with Idle at that point, and had no interest in following any links he might post. I didn’t know he posted a screenshot until someone else said so, and can safely say I wouldn’t care. That’s inadmissible evidence IMO. In the last game at GB, when he was mod-killed, he started a thread about his modkill while the game was still ongoing and implored active players to come comment on the active game, in an thread outside of the game. I wasn’t having any of that either. I wasn’t voting for him during his game, but my help wasn’t needed there, and I had zero problems with him being yesterDay’s lynch. I think it’s kinda crummy that you would try to take anybody to task for not unvoting him after he posted a gd mf _screenshot_. That’s so outside the spirit of the game to do in the first place. +1 ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/115 "2017-02-01T06:21:12Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > ~ > > I’m going to take one issue with this definition. PIS refers to any time any role consciously or subconsciously, accidentally or intentionally states additional knowledge beyond what the game at large knows/could reasonably surmise. It’s not just a mafioso thing. Town power roles have been targeted by scum who sniff out that the player is revealing information that they shouldn’t know if they’re merely vanilla. Iagree with this ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/116 "2017-02-01T14:01:44Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > @ProfessorPepperwinkle, I trust townie Angel’s gut. I’m gonna give you a pass for your eccentric techniques so far. I’m content with giving you as much rope to hang yourself with as possible. Wanna help me with something? I’m going to start rereading D1,2, and 3. Can you provide vote numbers and summaries if I were to ask for them? For example, I’d like to see who jumped off the main contenders on D1, the count at the time of their vote change and any reasoning they give. If it’s too much, I’ll do without or figure it out later, but I figured with your skill at figures it might be a lot easier for you to figure out than I. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Thank you for the respite. I haven’t reread D3 yet, but for D1 and D2, sure. Unless Madame P. decides she has tasks for me, I should have an answer to your D1 question this afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/117 "2017-02-01T14:02:23Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I still don’t want to lynch a 3rd party. But I do have to FOS Crys for yesterDay. > > You’ve stated you’re non hostile. You’ve stated that your intention is to help Town. But you place a vote on me simply because I questioned your story’s legitimacy and then checked out the rest of the Day. That’s not helping Town. That’s being lazy. > > Sorry to see you go Angel and ToeJam. > I voted for ToeJam on Day 1. But each day I became more and more convinced you were Town. Alas. I’m sorry did you miss the post when I said I had been sick? I literally lost 4 whole days and I’m working through the surgical recovery on my shoulder. I mean I like this game but I have alot going on right now. It’s not just your questions. I mean you tend to posts a few posts early and then not really come back til near EoD. I have been rereading you but I haven’t had the time to compose a really well worded post with proof yet but it looks like that you are posting just enough to be seen but not enough to be noticed. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/118 "2017-02-01T14:03:59Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I could see the Vig going after ToeJam as well. > > If we can drum up participation I’m pro double lynch for the same reason I’m pro vigs killing whenever possible. Town directed kills are better than Non-town kills. > > Given that every suspect from day 1 was town, I’d expect to scum to divide their votes. I need to go over the vote records, but would consider it a minor town cred to share votes with the wolves. Of course there are two scum types, and it won’t say anything about the other one. > > Crys: I might have missed it, but did you ever investigate and confirm Sachertorte? No I was asked not to do so and I haven’t. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/119 "2017-02-01T14:17:15Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > I’m sorry did you miss the post when I said I had been sick? I literally lost 4 whole days and I’m working through the surgical recovery on my shoulder. I mean I like this game but I have alot going on right now. It’s not just your questions. I mean you tend to posts a few posts early and then not really come back til near EoD. I have been rereading you but I haven’t had the time to compose a really well worded post with proof yet but it looks like that you are posting just enough to be seen but not enough to be noticed. > > Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk Actually I didn’t see that. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/120 "2017-02-01T14:19:05Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Vote HookerChemical for the reasons mentioned above. I added our fallen Angel’s posts to show she supported the idea and because she can no longer post to support it toDay. I don’t follow, unless you’re suggesting that all the wolves would have piled on together on the same bandwagon? Surely scum would try to split their votes as much as possible? Actually, as I catch up, basically what paulwhoisaghost said in #55 except he said it way better. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19966971&postcount=55](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19966971&postcount=55) > [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > I’m not doing that at all. This has nothing to do with people who didn’t unvote him – it’s about the two people who actively _voted_ for him even though he was as close to confirmed town as can be. That just a special kind of messed up to me. I just saw that as frustration tbh. Plus he was already quite far ahead as lynch leader. Also, the people pointing out that lynching the cultists doesn’t provide any information make a good point. Frustrating, but a good point. Seems like 3rd party vs PFK is a big enough distinction to be counted as different factions but ok. I still remain pro double lynch but doubt we’ll get the numbers. > [@TexCat](#): > > I guess I’ve heard this expression before, but not one that I would ever use. But just to add that [Crys’s PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19936233&postcount=561) shows: > I note that (Non-Hostile) appears as part of her alignment. Aaaaaand forget everything I just said. > [@Crys75](#): > > No I was asked not to do so and I haven’t. > > Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk But why wouldn’t you? Sorry if this is just something I missed people discussing before, but it seems very strange to me that you wouldn’t leap at the chance to confirm someone to yourself even admitting that you only get one confirmation per game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=7)