# Mafia Reunion Day 5 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 7, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271 "2017-02-07T20:22:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/41 "2017-02-08T00:19:09Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Is that a thing? > That seems odd to me. > > I will concede that perhaps it wasn’t so obvious that waiting for Biotop to comment would be optimal. But I remain surprised that such SOP are no longer in place when someone starts grilling someone else. I recall many posts deleted when I realized “oh, I should wait on that.” > > Paul, I’m sorry for upsetting you. It was more frustrating than ‘a big deal.’ I didn’t see it as grilling. I saw it as a vote at a time that the vote wouldn’t best serve town based on a case that I thought illogical. I didn’t think that players in this particular game would make such simple and obvious mistakes that would get them caught. Pleo caught Thingfish in a similar way though, so I’m wrong. I guess I just have higher expectations than what is turning out to be true. Regardless my issue was that the vote came near EoD, I thought it illogical, and given the timing I thought it unlikely Biotop would be back in time to respond. It wasn’t just you, I’ve been getting push back from a lot of players, voting for town, and not getting much in the way of positive reinforcement. So yeah, I’m discouraged, and I think that it might be good for me to be less vocal and just observe instead of constantly streaming my thoughts about everything. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/42 "2017-02-08T00:20:58Z")
Rah. Nice game opps. We need to continue the big rebound and not be fighting with each other. The comeback is on! Patriots vs Falcons, anyone? **paul** , I appreciate your defense and should have said so earlier. I read you as Town. Your major effort replacing a non-participating player has been a huge plus to the game overall, no matter your affiliation. This game plays too much on the emotions, but it is just a game. I frequently forget that. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/43 "2017-02-08T00:21:09Z")
Who Posted D/N1? Total Posts: 1,449 User Name Posts LightFoot 91 Normal Phase 84 Plumpudding 81 AngeloftheNorth 70 Meeko 64 Suburban Plankton 62 snfaulkner 60 Total Lost 59 NAF1138 56 Prof. Pepperwinkle 56 Thing Fish 54 jsgoddess 44 raventhief 42 GuiriEnEspaña 41 Chronos 40 septimus 38 Drain Bead 37 Biotop 29 Johnny Bravo 25 Boozahol Squid, P.I. 24 bufftabby 24 HookerChemical 23 Hoopy Frood 22 TexCat 22 Sunny Daze 22 sachertorte 21 Mahaloth 20 Lakai 18 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 17 Captain Klutz 17 Hockey Monkey 17 Nanook of the North Shore 16 Scathach 16 sinjin 14 Zeriel 13 Crys75 12 brewha 11 Pleonast 10 Colby11 9 Enderw24 8 BillMC 6 nesta 6 MHaye 5 ToeJam 5 DiggitCamara 5 Hawkeyeop 5 Sario 5 storyteller0910 4 Inner Stickler 3 Khameleon 3 Hal Briston 3 Koldanar 3 Idle Thoughts 3 paulwhoisaghost 2 Precambrianmollusc 1 Red Skeezix 1 Who Posted D/N2? Total Posts: 1,370 User Name Posts paulwhoisaghost 133 snfaulkner 85 LightFoot 77 Crys75 76 raventhief 72 Meeko 50 Drain Bead 44 brewha 41 Sunny Daze 40 Prof. Pepperwinkle 40 Thing Fish 39 sachertorte 37 Captain Klutz 36 Chronos 32 GuiriEnEspaña 31 jsgoddess 30 ToeJam 30 AngeloftheNorth 29 Johnny Bravo 29 Inner Stickler 27 NAF1138 27 TexCat 26 Plumpudding 25 Hockey Monkey 25 Mahaloth 24 Biotop 23 HookerChemical 22 Boozahol Squid, P.I. 21 BillMC 16 Scathach 16 bufftabby 15 Hoopy Frood 14 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 13 Koldanar 12 sinjin 11 Pleonast 11 Zeriel 10 DiggitCamara 10 nesta 9 Total Lost 9 Khameleon 9 MHaye 8 Hawkeyeop 7 Lakai 5 storyteller0910 5 Enderw24 4 Nanook of the North Shore 4 Idle Thoughts 4 Cygnus42 2 Hal Briston 2 Sario 1 Colby11 1 Suburban Plankton 1 Who Posted D/N3? Total Posts: 1,158 User Name Posts paulwhoisaghost 146 AngeloftheNorth 123 snfaulkner 67 Idle Thoughts 64 LightFoot 64 Prof. Pepperwinkle 59 raventhief 51 Johnny Bravo 39 Mahaloth 37 Plumpudding 34 Total Lost 29 ToeJam 28 Thing Fish 28 Hoopy Frood 21 HookerChemical 20 DiggitCamara 19 NAF1138 19 Captain Klutz 18 Biotop 18 sinjin 18 Nanook of the North Shore 17 bufftabby 16 GuiriEnEspaña 16 Enderw24 15 Inner Stickler 15 Boozahol Squid, P.I. 14 TexCat 14 jsgoddess 14 Meeko 13 Lakai 13 Koldanar 11 Hockey Monkey 11 Pleonast 10 Khameleon 9 sachertorte 9 Crys75 8 BillMC 8 Hal Briston 7 Sunny Daze 6 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 5 Hawkeyeop 5 nesta 4 Cygnus42 4 Zeriel 3 MHaye 3 storyteller0910 2 Scathach 2 Drain Bead 1 Švejk 1 Who Posted D/N4? Total Posts: 673 User Name Posts paulwhoisaghost 115 Prof. Pepperwinkle 61 LightFoot 53 snfaulkner 40 NAF1138 33 raventhief 26 Boozahol Squid, P.I. 24 TexCat 21 Plumpudding 17 Johnny Bravo 17 Biotop 16 Total Lost 15 Koldanar 14 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 14 GuiriEnEspaña 14 bufftabby 13 Inner Stickler 13 Hoopy Frood 11 sinjin 11 Lakai 10 sachertorte 10 Nanook of the North Shore 9 Khameleon 9 storyteller0910 8 Hockey Monkey 8 HookerChemical 8 Crys75 8 DiggitCamara 8 Captain Klutz 7 BillMC 7 Hawkeyeop 7 Pleonast 6 Hal Briston 6 AngeloftheNorth 5 MHaye 5 Mahaloth 5 Enderw24 4 Cygnus42 4 Meeko 3 Zeriel 2 Sunny Daze 2 Scathach 2 nesta 1 ToeJam 1 ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/44 "2017-02-08T00:23:08Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I didn’t include his quote, but here it is: > And given that quote got dug up. I would turn that right around and say that in calling Paul out on interfering with an interrogation, I was calling “anyone out on anything if I don’t think it helps town win.” I agree that you were doing the same thing, but I read your replies as a lecture that I shouldn’t be doing it. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/45 "2017-02-08T00:25:07Z")
Hey prof! Looking at the nice colorful post counts, maybe we should look into Lynch-the-mid-to-lowmid-posters? ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/46 "2017-02-08T00:26:17Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Interesting note after looking at the newly coloured vote records: I’m not seeing a single case of bussing yet. Bussing in this game is less rewarding because scum are hunting scum. It doesn’t buy as much TC as a standard game and it puts your team at a disadvantage because it puts the opposing scum faction in the lead for the second part of the scum wincon. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/47 "2017-02-08T00:32:12Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Hey prof! Looking at the nice colorful post counts, maybe we should look into Lynch-the-mid-to-lowmid-posters? Yep! Maybe so. In any case be careful, being helpful looks scummy, don’tcha know. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/48 "2017-02-08T00:33:36Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Yep! Maybe so. In any case be careful, being helpful looks scummy, don’tcha know. It’s the scummiest scum tell that ever told scums!😉 ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/49 "2017-02-08T00:50:05Z")
So, back to the drawing board. I do note that, along with Pleonast’s unfortunately damning votes on me, there are also votes for 4 out of 6 Scum. I am Town. I now have two votes on me already. I expected that. Voting for me this early gets a safe marker down, I get that, but the problem is, again, I am Town. Guiri asked me yesterday what I enjoyed about this game. I love the banter and some of the sniping. But my all-time favorite guilty pleasure part-of-the-game is this: when I’m way behind and about to be lynched, I just love talking my way out of it. Challenge accepted. 😃 I am Town. Angel was right. 40,000% right. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/50 "2017-02-08T01:03:16Z")
Vote Prof. Pepperwinkle You’re going to have to do better than that. I want to see posts filled with despair, desperate role claiming, or at the very least, a lot of begging. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/51 "2017-02-08T01:08:58Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Vote Prof. Pepperwinkle > > You’re going to have to do better than that. I want to see posts filled with despair, desperate role claiming, or at the very least, a lot of begging. How about an entertaining song and dance number? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/52 "2017-02-08T01:10:52Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Vote Prof. Pepperwinkle > > You’re going to have to do better than that. I want to see posts filled with despair, desperate role claiming, or at the very least, a lot of begging. Nah. It’s only a game. I will let others wallow in the troughs of despair despite being told (and I’m paraphrasing) that “Town and Scum, you’re a terrible player (no offense)”. Nay, such pessimistic appraisals shall not thwart my happy heart. Desperate role claiming? I’m vanilla Town. Nothing too desperate to say about that. Begging? Eh, maybe Saturday. I’m Town. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/53 "2017-02-08T01:11:55Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > How about an entertaining song and dance number? That would be if I was Scum. “The Old Soft Shoe to Mwahahahaha.” With puns. Lots of puns. You remember. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/54 "2017-02-08T01:17:17Z")
Thanks for the colored vote counts. I remain convinced that ProfP cannot be a wolf. He’s had votes from too many wolves, including JSGoddess, who didn’t have a problem defending ThingFish. I doubt that she’d defend ThingFish and throw a wolf ProfP under the bus. I see that Sunny never voted for ProfP, but Hockey did on D3 before she switched to Idle. If ProfP is scum, he’s definitely mafia, not wolf. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/55 "2017-02-08T01:20:08Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > 1. You are being a hypocritical Sach. It wasn’t even your case. It was Lakai’s case. You just me too voted. Then when I argued against it in a post clearly directed at Lakai, you stepped in and got super defensive. Isn’t that what you were so upset about me doing, stepping into a conversation? Are you saying that you were testing Lakai to see how she would react to your criticizing her case? Was my interjection interfering with your assessment of Lakai? Otherwise, I don’t agree. It isn’t the same thing. It is also possible that I’m being hypocritical. That happens. I’ll try not to be, but it happens. > [@](#): > > 1. I expect town or scum to be defensive of their cases. It’s a nulltell. What I don’t expect or understand is a 3P me too voter to get so defensive. I don’t really see it as being ‘defensive’ as much as thinking further explanation was needed for others to understand the reasoning. > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I didn’t see it as grilling. I saw it as a vote at a time that the vote wouldn’t best serve town based on a case that I thought illogical. I don’t see how the time of Day was a relevant factor. I’m pretty sure I posted something to the effect that I would be back to check if my vote was needed to get a second lynch. I’m not 100% sure I posted it, but I was thinking it. okay. I checked. _It was literally in the same post as my vote for Biotop_. Like right after. I officially do not understand you. Look. I’m Third party. Maybe you haven’t thought much about what playing this game is like for Third party, but it’s _different_. As neither Town or Scum, there are unusual choices I need to make. I’m trying to have fun and make the game fun for me by looking for things and angles to participate in, but I absolutely do not want to have a strong effect on the vote trains of the Day. I know that sounds weird, but I feel it is the best thing for Town to keep myself away from influencing the vote record or swaying the lynch wagons one way or another. Why? Because I’m Third Party. My vote record isn’t going to tell you my alignment. I’m telling the truth, but if I wasn’t, I’m not going to get caught by my vote record. I would get caught in a lie with a dead First Deacon or cultist investigation. My vote as a matter of record isn’t important; but influencing the vote or wagons could be detrimental (probably not, but not worth it). The vote influences will hopefully tell you about players who aren’t me. So yeah, I’m staying out of it. That’s why, when I saw an opening and a decent point of view on Biotop’s choices, I pursued that. You know, for _fun_. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/56 "2017-02-08T01:25:47Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Are you saying that you were testing Lakai to see how she would react to your criticizing her case? Was my interjection interfering with your assessment of Lakai? Otherwise, I don’t agree. It isn’t the same thing. > It is also possible that I’m being hypocritical. That happens. I’ll try not to be, but it happens. > > I don’t really see it as being ‘defensive’ as much as thinking further explanation was needed for others to understand the reasoning. > I don’t see how the time of Day was a relevant factor. I’m pretty sure I posted something to the effect that I would be back to check if my vote was needed to get a second lynch. I’m not 100% sure I posted it, but I was thinking it. > > okay. I checked. _It was literally in the same post as my vote for Biotop_. Like right after. I officially do not understand you. > > Look. I’m Third party. Maybe you haven’t thought much about what playing this game is like for Third party, but it’s _different_. As neither Town or Scum, there are unusual choices I need to make. I’m trying to have fun and make the game fun for me by looking for things and angles to participate in, but I absolutely do not want to have a strong effect on the vote trains of the Day. I know that sounds weird, but I feel it is the best thing for Town to keep myself away from influencing the vote record or swaying the lynch wagons one way or another. Why? Because I’m Third Party. My vote record isn’t going to tell you my alignment. I’m telling the truth, but if I wasn’t, I’m not going to get caught by my vote record. I would get caught in a lie with a dead First Deacon or cultist investigation. My vote as a matter of record isn’t important; but influencing the vote or wagons could be detrimental (probably not, but not worth it). The vote influences will hopefully tell you about players who aren’t me. So yeah, I’m staying out of it. > > That’s why, when I saw an opening and a decent point of view on Biotop’s choices, I pursued that. You know, for _fun_. I agree playing 3rd party is very different. You want to participate but doing that too much will get you dead. No one trusts a 3rd party ever and when it gets close to lylo you will kill us off one way or another. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/57 "2017-02-08T01:38:51Z")
I’ve been suspicious of **Prof P** , and now **Pleonast** has pretty firmly pointed a finger in his direction. I was already planning to vote him again, but now doubly so. **vote prof pepperwinkle** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/58 "2017-02-08T01:40:23Z")
\*\ ***Day 5 Vote Count** Professor P. (4) - Hawkeyeop(6), paulwhoisaghost(19), Lakai(50), bufftabby(57) Paulwhoisaghost(1) - Texcat(22), Texcat(1) - Plumpudding(38) Day ends on Sunday, February 12 , at 3:00. [Here is a countdown to that time.](Day 5 Vote Count Professor P. (3) - Hawkeyeop(6), paulwhoisaghost(19), Lakai(50), Paulwhoisaghost(1) - Texcat(22), Texcat(1) - Plumpudding(38) Day ends on Sunday, February 12 , at 3:00. Here is a countdown to that time.) \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/59 "2017-02-08T01:40:44Z")
…and that makes four votes. Boy, I’m glad I asked about hammering on D1. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/60 "2017-02-08T01:41:57Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > I’ve been suspicious of **Prof P** , and now **Pleonast** has pretty firmly pointed a finger in his direction. I was already planning to vote him again, but now doubly so. > > **vote prof pepperwinkle** Did you see sachertorte’s comments on Pleonast’s vote last Night? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271.md?page=4)