# Mafia Reunion Day 5 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 7, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271 "2017-02-07T20:22:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/121 "2017-02-08T05:47:46Z")
@Raventhief, I forgot to mention the part where I thought it made sense because of the lack of Mafia deaths. Mafia hidden as cultists would mean I’ve been advocating we give scum a temporary pass. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/122 "2017-02-08T05:47:59Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > yes, and I suppose that is a better word. > > still - there seems to be a tone change . Maybe a Scum with a MIA team member at EON? > > just a feeling. > OH and while I am thinking…sleuth juice on board. > the cultists will be resolved if 2 more wolves or 4 more mafia are removed > > FWIW Ok, I’m a bit distracting trying to get the hell outta the office, but can someone use small words and tell me why/how the cultists will resolve themselves? I’ll read it when i get home and have a proper tasty beverage in me gulliver. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/123 "2017-02-08T05:56:30Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Ok, I’m a bit distracting trying to get the hell outta the office, but can someone use small words and tell me why/how the cultists will resolve themselves? I’ll read it when i get home and have a proper tasty beverage in me gulliver. When there are too few members of a scum team remaining, the cultists can’t be lying scum. If there are 5 of them and only 4 mafia left, they can’t be mafia. Right now there are only 4 wolves left, so we know the cultists aren’t wolves in cultist wool. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/124 "2017-02-08T05:58:54Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > When there are too few members of a scum team remaining, the cultists can’t be lying scum. If there are 5 of them and only 4 mafia left, they can’t be mafia. > > Right now there are only 4 wolves left, so we know the cultists aren’t wolves in cultist wool. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Rather, if the rest of the cultists claimed and we’re conformed by each other then they can’t be wolves… And if that happened we would only need 1 more dead mafia to rule that out also. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/125 "2017-02-08T06:02:06Z")
NETA I’m not advocating that they all claim, at least not until 1 more mafia bites it… then it might be beneficial for town, but necessarily the cult… what with having a survivor type wincon. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/126 "2017-02-08T06:03:07Z")
NETA I meant not necessarily Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/127 "2017-02-08T06:04:11Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > When there are too few members of a scum team remaining, the cultists can’t be lying scum. If there are 5 of them and only 4 mafia left, they can’t be mafia. > > Right now there are only 4 wolves left, so we know the cultists aren’t wolves in cultist wool. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk If there are in fact five. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/128 "2017-02-08T06:06:31Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > …but I was SURE Diggit was scum and I wasn’t sure Boozy was. I don’t like that I am so off target and my posts make up ~10% of the threads. Meh. I had the same feeling. I thought Diggit was scummier than boozy, and was wrong on that. It happens. When scumdar isn’t working it certainly can be frustrating, but even the best scumfinders are typically wrong more often than they’re right. They just tend to be right a bit more often than the median. > [@sinjin](#): > > ? I don’t get it. I was referring to this: > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I think Sunny Daze played a very good game, considering it was her first. > > She’s probably already better than me. And then you post “I agree.” So you agree that Sunny Daze is better than Pepperwinkle. Hence, my “burn” comment. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/129 "2017-02-08T06:10:42Z")
**Prof. Pepperwinkle** , giving advice to newbie Scum \*\*Sunny Daze \*\*, [Day 1, Post 92](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19904881&postcount=92) > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/92): > > Attacking others does often produce some targets for voting. This creates a voting history which is relevant in future Days. (In fact, IMHO, voting history is probably the best source of data to make decision.) Expect more attacks. Prepare to be attacked. Watch how people react. If you feel like it, attack someone yourself. **Professor Pepperwinkle** , If you are Town, I don’t understand how you could give this advice, and not actively try it yourself. It’s not that hard. It’s how to play the game, and this post _shows that you understand_ it is how to play the game. If you are Town I am not really interested in more denials. Instead, how about taking your own advice and trying to help. It might not benefit you, but it could help Town. If you “suck” at making accusations, try anyway. If you think most information comes from vote analysis, then analyze some votes. You have shown little interest in helping Town. **Angel** ’s endorsement is not enough at this point, I’m afraid. **Vote Professor Pepperwinkle** ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/130 "2017-02-08T06:14:06Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > When there are too few members of a scum team remaining, the cultists can’t be lying scum. If there are 5 of them and only 4 mafia left, they can’t be mafia. > > Right now there are only 4 wolves left, so we know the cultists aren’t wolves in cultist wool. No there are only 2 claimed so those 2 could still be Wolf or Mafia playing a gambit w/o their teammates > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Rather, if the rest of the cultists claimed and **we’re** conformed by each other then they can’t be wolves… > > And if that happened we would only need 1 more dead mafia to rule that out also. re:\*\* bold\*\* are you claiming? 4 claimed cultists would rule out wolves at this point. Town needs one more dead Mafia for that to work.( even with all 5 claimed) ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/131 "2017-02-08T06:15:28Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > If there are in fact five. True. Then again. If I were scum trying to make up a false group of “survivors” who can find each other I probably wouldn’t have picked a number that sits around 70% of the actual number of people in my group. Because if the group has to claim for some reason, I’ve now exposed a large part of my team if they’re all still alive. And if more are dead then what I’ve claimed, I’m exposed as soon as I can’t get enough people to claim with me. Seriously, if I were going to pull something like that, I’d claim there are no more than three, and that’s still pushing the numbers. Still, don’t think it’d be worth it. It’d be a risky gambit. If we all claim, we’ll probably be dead at some point, and as soon as the death reveals we’re lying, we’re all sunk. So I really can’t see the cult being scum in disguise. It’s way too risky. I won’t say “scum wouldn’t do that,” but I will say “scum would be crazy to try it.” ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/132 "2017-02-08T06:27:06Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > No there are only 2 claimed > > so those 2 could still be Wolf or Mafia playing a gambit w/o their teammates re:\*\* bold\*\* are you claiming? > 4 claimed cultists would rule out wolves at this point. > Town needs one more dead Mafia for that to work.( even with all 5 claimed) No… my phone auto corrected were to we’re. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/133 "2017-02-08T06:29:44Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > True. > > Then again. If I were scum trying to make up a false group of “survivors” who can find each other I probably wouldn’t have picked a number that sits around 70% of the actual number of people in my group. > > Because if the group has to claim for some reason, I’ve now exposed a large part of my team if they’re all still alive. And if more are dead then what I’ve claimed, I’m exposed as soon as I can’t get enough people to claim with me. > > Seriously, if I were going to pull something like that, I’d claim there are no more than three, and that’s still pushing the numbers. > > Still, don’t think it’d be worth it. It’d be a risky gambit. If we all claim, we’ll probably be dead at some point, and as soon as the death reveals we’re lying, we’re all sunk. > > So I really can’t see the cult being scum in disguise. It’s way too risky. I won’t say “scum wouldn’t do that,” but I will say “scum would be crazy to try it.” Still, that post by Sunny really reads like a breadcrumb… but I agree it would be downright crazy. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/134 "2017-02-08T06:43:06Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > No… my phone auto corrected were to we’re. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Auto correct creates contractions? I don’t smart phone so it is a legit question. However what about the rest of the post? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/135 "2017-02-08T06:44:36Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > When there are too few members of a scum team remaining, the cultists can’t be lying scum. If there are 5 of them and only 4 mafia left, they can’t be mafia. > > Right now there are only 4 wolves left, so we know the cultists aren’t wolves in cultist wool. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Ok, I see what you’re saying. But I’ve been operating under the assumption that there are in fact cultists…whether they are harmless or not is a different question that wont be resolved by killing x more scums. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/136 "2017-02-08T06:44:59Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Still, that post by Sunny really reads like a breadcrumb… but I agree it would be downright crazy. I agree with \*\* Hoopy \*\* but…you have a point too ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/137 "2017-02-08T06:57:11Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Auto correct creates contractions? > > I don’t smart phone so it is a legit question. > However what about the rest of the post? My damn phone will fuck up so much shit in the weirdest of ways. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/138 "2017-02-08T08:39:02Z")
3 dead scum is an amazing Night. The multiple Night and Day kills makes me think that there may be 2 serial Killers, one with a Day kill, the other with a Night kill. This makes some sense, mirroring the 2 scum teams. Although it also means that there have been a lot of missed kills. I will start the Day with **Vote Prof. Pepperwinkle** ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/139 "2017-02-08T08:56:32Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Wow. That was not expected. So much for my thinking Sunny Daze was a cultist (since I was bread crumbing, I was assuming other cultists were too.) Sunny Daze had a post early on where she references Cthulhu for no apparent reason. I thought that was a breadcrumb. > But after Crys and I claimed, Sunny Daze looked less and less like a cultist, but I still held on hope that she was just distancing. Oh well. Or more accurately, Yay! Sunny Daze died and wasn’t a cultist! Ahem. I mean, Yay! Sunny Daze died and was scum. I thought that **BillMC** could be a cultist, from this Day 1 post: > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/218): > > We already have a 4 person masonary, the patsy could effectively make it 5. This suggestion of the patsy making a 5 person masonry doesn’t make sense. To me it looked like a crumb, a description of the 5 person cult. Although BillMC’s subsequent posts also made him look less and less like a cultist. But **BillMC** turned out to be a wolf, and **Sunny Daze** mafia. It’s fair to say that they were not cooperating in a scum ploy. I’ll add that, despite these accidental crumbs, I still find **sachertorte’s** crumbs convincing. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/140 "2017-02-08T10:22:23Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > When there are too few members of a scum team remaining, the cultists can’t be lying scum. If there are 5 of them and only 4 mafia left, they can’t be mafia. > > **Right now there are only 4 wolves left** , so we know the cultists aren’t wolves in cultist wool. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Now I’m confused… We’re still playing under the assumption of seven of each scum faction, right? jsgoddess, Thing Fish, Booze, BillMC, four wolves. There should be three wolves and five mafia left. Or have I missed something? And I agree with hoopy, scum would be crazy to try something like that… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271.md?page=8)