# Mafia Reunion Day 6 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 14, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855 "2017-02-14T22:51:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/261 "2017-02-20T17:01:14Z")
NETA one Q why didn’t you investigate one of the claimed LUTHA? ( for Ender) ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/262 "2017-02-20T17:18:17Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > NETA one Q why didn’t you investigate one of the claimed LUTHA? ( for Ender) My power limits me to confirming either Mafia or Wolf or not those. It’s never going to tell me definitively if someone is 3rd party. So investigating a claimed 3rd party would have been a waste unless I was reasonably certain they were lying about being 3rd party…and even then it’s a 50/50 shot on guessing the right scum clan. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/263 "2017-02-20T17:18:55Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Thanks **MHaye** for the claim. If I were the Understudy and inherited the Investigative Journalist role, I would not be thanking MHaye for outing me. > [@Enderw24](#): > > Day 3, I chose ToeJam again. I was still suspicious and figured if I came this far, I might as well close it out. And apparently this is where MHaye “caught” me. Your claim is plausible, I question the decision to investigate a claimed Doctor for a second time, however it’s at least consistent with your continued suspicion of him: > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/588): > > I’m on the fence regarding **ToeJam’s** claim. Generally I’d say the lack of counterclaim would lend credence towards his claim. But here…it may not. He was the lynch leader claiming Doctor. What does he have to lose? If he’s actually scum, he gets a free stab at trying to out the real doctor. And even if that doesn’t work, he gets to stick around a bit longer. > > And yet, his claim seems pretty consistent with actions thus far in the game. I’m holding off full judgement for the moment. > [@Enderw24](#): > > Day 4 I chose **Lightfoot**. I talked about how I was sad ToeJam had left the game and I had finally gotten to the point where I could trust him as Town. Lightfoot made a comment asking something like if I was breadcrumbing or something like that. I was and it was a good pickup, but I didn’t respond. Was that D3 or D4? Your D3 comment does not look like something a cop would say lightly…(snips) > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/157): > > > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/154): > > > > > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/150): > > > > > > I still know you’re lying. And I’m (right now) not gonna bother doing anything about it. > > > > you KNOW \*\* crys \*\* is lying? . > > > > Not going to bother doing anything about it now? > > what part is the lie? > > are you soft claiming something? > > Not soft claiming anything. Do I know through in-game knowledge or powers that he’s lying? No. > [@Mafia Reunion Day 4](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/72): > > > [@Mafia Reunion Day 4](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/42): > > > > I voted for ToeJam on Day 1. But each day I became more and more convinced you were Town. Alas. > > and your last comment has pings > [@Enderw24](#): > > So here’s what I can confirm. **Lightfoot is not Mafia**. It was a coinflip on choice, but there were enough wolves that we knew of at that point I figured the odds are more likely that any random Scum would be Mafia. > > Same rationale on Day 5. I chose **Lakai**. Any reason you did not investigate Lightfoot again? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/264 "2017-02-20T17:38:20Z")
BTW, I have some questions for MHaye (and others who wish to weigh in). Day 5 you watched **Paul**. What actually happened that Day/Night? Did the mod PM actually say he was targeted by wolves or is that your guess? The reason I ask is, well, to know. But also because of what you saw on Day 1. We know that **Cookies** has a Day power. She was the only one to visit Septimus which means she HAS to be involved…unless mafia and wolves, when acting as a group to decide who to kill, can go in undetected. In other words, let’s say Cookies is the Godfather. Would she personally go in to kill Septimus? Or would it be a “mafia” kill for anyone looking? Or would it simply not show up at all since no individual did it? That’s why I think it’s important to note how Paul’s death showed up for you. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/265 "2017-02-20T17:47:03Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > If I were the Understudy and inherited the Investigative Journalist role, I would not be thanking MHaye for outing me. > > Any reason you did not investigate Lightfoot again? Eh. I’m not really thankful for the outting per se. But the claim as a whole is super useful to Town. Besides, I’ve been so low on participation, it at least gave me a reason to provide something - anything - of value to Town. As to your second question…not really. The best I can offer is that after wasting two Days on ToeJam it seemed counterproductive to do the same again. Especially with the # of Wolves outted, the odds weren’t in my favor. Besides, I was curious about Lakai for the reason previously mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/266 "2017-02-20T18:01:08Z")
Ender, What about Day 6? Didn’t you investigate someone toDay? I was confused by MHaye’s description of Hockey’s death, as well as Paul’s. But I think I worked it out. The mafia and the wolves kill as groups. They are not watchable, trackable. Therefore if MHaye was watching someone who died and didn’t see anyone kill them, it must have been scum, mafia if it was a day kill, wolves if it was a night kill. (Whether or not the mods confirmed that to MHaye.) ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/267 "2017-02-20T18:16:39Z")
I’m sure we’ve had a discussion before about the scum killing as a team. They clearly do, based on things like this from the Godfather role: “As the leader of the Mafia team, you may meet with your troops at a location to be provided under separate cover to discuss strategy by Day or by Night. Each Day, your team must select a target for its Day kill and post it in red at your private board; if your team is unable to reach consensus on a kill, yours is the final word on the matter.” No mention of them having to pick someone to do the kill, or a specific pass down kill order, which I would assume would be included. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/268 "2017-02-20T18:30:56Z")
Consolidating and simplifying the data from MHaye Cookies - Day Power - Available possibilities - Zoning Inspector, Town Day Blocker; Bloodhound, Wolf Day Tracker; Omega Wolf, several one shot powers, only one of which would be trackable during the day(one shot tracking) Ender - Day Power - Available Possibilities - same as Cookies, plus Investigative Journalist(claimed role) and EMT via Backup Hal Briston - Night Power - Available Possibilities - Investigative Journalist(backup)(Claimed by Ender); Leprechaun Town Night Blocker; Bodyguard Mafia; Hitman Mafia; Informant Mafia Watcher; Enforcer Mafia Blocker Going purely by odds, Hal is more likely than not Mafia, since there’s only 1 unclaimed/unaccounted for Town role that would have a Night power, versus 4 different Mafia ones. For Ender, barring a counter claim(which if it is coming should wait until break of Day, but not really any later than that), his claim seems reasonable and fits. Could be The Omega, but seems like a weird fake claim if so. For Cookies, same thing about a counter claim as with Ender. The Omega doesn’t fit, why would the Wolves blow a one shot power on Day 1 randomly? And if they did, why is MHaye still alive? They would have seen him I would think, and that would be a pretty damn fine target. Given all that, it’s obvious what she is. I’m pretty sure this is accurate. Did I miss anything? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/269 "2017-02-20T18:33:18Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Consolidating and simplifying the data from MHaye > > Cookies - Day Power - Available possibilities - Zoning Inspector, Town Day Blocker; Bloodhound, Wolf Day Tracker; Omega Wolf, several one shot powers, only one of which would be trackable during the day(one shot tracking) > > Ender - Day Power - Available Possibilities - same as Cookies, plus Investigative Journalist(claimed role) and EMT via Backup > > Hal Briston - Night Power - Available Possibilities - Investigative Journalist(backup)(Claimed by Ender); Leprechaun Town Night Blocker; Bodyguard Mafia; Hitman Mafia; Informant Mafia Watcher; Enforcer Mafia Blocker > > Going purely by odds, Hal is more likely than not Mafia, since there’s only 1 unclaimed/unaccounted for Town role that would have a Night power, versus 4 different Mafia ones. > > For Ender, barring a counter claim(which if it is coming should wait until break of Day, but not really any later than that), his claim seems reasonable and fits. Could be The Omega, but seems like a weird fake claim if so. > > For Cookies, same thing about a counter claim as with Ender. The Omega doesn’t fit, why would the Wolves blow a one shot power on Day 1 randomly? And if they did, why is MHaye still alive? They would have seen him I would think, and that would be a pretty damn fine target. Given all that, it’s obvious what she is. > > I’m pretty sure this is accurate. Did I miss anything? Drain bead was the leprechaun, so Hal can’t be. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/270 "2017-02-20T18:35:51Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Drain bead was the leprechaun, so Hal can’t be. And thingfish was omega. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/271 "2017-02-20T18:41:33Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Consolidating and simplifying the data from MHaye > > Cookies - Day Power - Available possibilities - Zoning Inspector, Town Day Blocker; Bloodhound, Wolf Day Tracker; Omega Wolf, several one shot powers, only one of which would be trackable during the day(one shot tracking) > > Ender - Day Power - Available Possibilities - same as Cookies, plus Investigative Journalist(claimed role) and EMT via Backup > > Hal Briston - Night Power - Available Possibilities - Investigative Journalist(backup)(Claimed by Ender); Leprechaun Town Night Blocker; Bodyguard Mafia; Hitman Mafia; Informant Mafia Watcher; Enforcer Mafia Blocker > > Going purely by odds, Hal is more likely than not Mafia, since there’s only 1 unclaimed/unaccounted for Town role that would have a Night power, versus 4 different Mafia ones. > > For Ender, barring a counter claim(which if it is coming should wait until break of Day, but not really any later than that), his claim seems reasonable and fits. Could be The Omega, but seems like a weird fake claim if so. > > For Cookies, same thing about a counter claim as with Ender. The Omega doesn’t fit, why would the Wolves blow a one shot power on Day 1 randomly? And if they did, why is MHaye still alive? They would have seen him I would think, and that would be a pretty damn fine target. Given all that, it’s obvious what she is. > > I’m pretty sure this is accurate. Did I miss anything? Yes. First, for Hal, he can’t be Leprechaun. Drain Bead was (see on preview this was addressed). For Cookies, if she’s the Zoning Inspector…why is she role blocking Septimus? That’s for her to answer if she’s going to try to explain it. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/272 "2017-02-20T18:55:51Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Cookies - Day Power - Available possibilities - Zoning Inspector, Town Day Blocker; Bloodhound, Wolf Day Tracker; Omega Wolf, several one shot powers, only one of which would be trackable during the day(one shot tracking) > > For Cookies, same thing about a counter claim as with Ender. The Omega doesn’t fit, why would the Wolves blow a one shot power on Day 1 randomly? And if they did, why is MHaye still alive? They would have seen him I would think, and that would be a pretty damn fine target. Given all that, it’s obvious what she is. > > I’m pretty sure this is accurate. Did I miss anything? Didn’t Cookies kill Septimus? Why are you pondering all of those benign roles for her? ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/273 "2017-02-20T18:59:13Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Didn’t Cookies kill Septimus? Why are you pondering all of those benign roles for her? How do you know that? The only (known) Day role that could kill Septimus and be tracked is Outrider, which we know she isn’t since that was Boozy’s role. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/274 "2017-02-20T19:03:15Z")
Bah, totally missed the dead Leprechaun and Omega. Too many roles, too many bodies. Well, the dead Leprechaun means that Hal is either Mafia, some third party role, or counter claiming Ender. Based on the post Hal made Tonight, I’m going with Mafia. Why is Cookies the zoning inspector blocking the claimed Doc? A very good question. I’m interested in her reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/275 "2017-02-20T19:07:02Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > At the end of Day 1, Septimus had one, and only one visitor. That visitor was DarkCookies. The obvious early-game assumption was that she was the Outrider, but fortunately I waited for extra info to check that, and we learned that the Outrider was Boozy Squid. So that’s wrong. But we can be sure that DarkCookies is not a Mafiate; that if she is a Scum, she’s a Werewolf. Alternatively she might be an SK. We can rule out the AU Batman for her, as that is a Night-acting only role. Septimus died at the end of Day One. We know that Boozy didn’t target him. Who do you suppose killed him if not Cookies? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/276 "2017-02-20T19:17:27Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Septimus died at the end of Day One. We know that Boozy didn’t target him. Who do you suppose killed him if not Cookies? Mafia? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/277 "2017-02-20T19:17:56Z")
NETC: On second look, I see that it’s possible for the mafia to have killed Septimus and the SK to have killed Normal Phase on Day One. You’re right. Still it’s likely that Cookies is SK. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/278 "2017-02-20T19:27:15Z")
Why is the existence of an unknown SK more likely than her being the known role that fits her action? How do you know that the extra kills are coming from a SK rather than, for example, the LUTHA having a killing power? This feels like you know who the Mafia kill was and therefore are jumping to SK for Cookies. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/279 "2017-02-20T19:30:31Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Septimus died at the end of Day One. We know that Boozy didn’t target him. Who do you suppose killed him if not Cookies? I can only think of one other answer. Boozy Squid PI. It is not very likely I’ll admit, but it is at least possible that Septimus decided to protect someone, and Boozy targeted that same player. Boozy would then have killed Septimus without coming anywhere near him. For me to detect that, I’d have had to target septimus’s protectee. Now, that’s a long shot. It’s very likely that Cookies is some kind of killing role, and killed Septimus. If I was certain DarkCookies killed Septimus. I’d vote for her Tomorrow, in order to reduce the number of kills per cycle and maybe defer LyLo. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/280 "2017-02-20T19:36:37Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Ender, What about Day 6? Didn’t you investigate someone toDay? > > I was confused by MHaye’s description of Hockey’s death, as well as Paul’s. But I think I worked it out. The mafia and the wolves kill as groups. They are not watchable, trackable. Therefore if MHaye was watching someone who died and didn’t see anyone kill them, it must have been scum, mafia if it was a day kill, wolves if it was a night kill. (Whether or not the mods confirmed that to MHaye.) I was explicitly told in my N4 PM that I saw the Wolves kill Hockey Monkey. and similarly that Wolves kill Paul on Night 5. I interpreted that to mean that I saw the Wolves in Wolf form carry out both kills, but since they were in Wolf form I was unable to recognise them. I also suspect that the same rules apply to the Mafia - that I’d see them jump out of cars and hose people down with tommy guns a la 1930s gangster movies. So I don’t believe the Mafia killed septimus. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855.md?page=15)