# Mafia Reunion Day 6 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 14, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855 "2017-02-14T22:51:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/341 "2017-02-21T13:32:23Z")
Never mind, it’s night kills that determine the multilynch. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/342 "2017-02-21T13:59:33Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Lutha affiliated 3rd party? I doubt it I can put in a investigate order for cookies at this point no reason for her to lie about it. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/343 "2017-02-21T14:54:35Z")
Ok, I’m all caught up and …people don’t post early day EST! Boo! So far we do not have any counter claims, yes? So I believe - Ender, Mhaye, Cookies, lacking any other info. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/344 "2017-02-21T15:03:58Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > I doubt it > I can put in a investigate order for cookies at this point no reason for her to lie about it. > > Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk I thought you already investigated her? ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/345 "2017-02-21T15:31:46Z")
> [@Koldanar](#): > > Ok, I’m all caught up and …people don’t post early day EST! Boo! > > So far we do not have any counter claims, yes? So I believe - Ender, Mhaye, Cookies, lacking any other info. There’s basically 0 upside to counter claiming at Night. We can’t do anything with the counter claim, and it gives the Wolves and Mafia more info for their kill and/or Night actions. So don’t be so quick to trust. That said, I totally believe Cookies and Mhaye 99.99%. Ender, more like 80%. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/346 "2017-02-21T17:05:50Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Yeah, I’m 3rd party SK and despite seeming to have been hanging in there even with some hiccups, I’ve apparently been ironically totally humped since Day 1 and just didn’t know it. We can talk about it more later. No need to take up space in the thread or time squinting at my phone fighting any inevitabilities. > > No idea what Mhaye is, but he is wasn’t on my list to kill soon and he is correct about my Day 1 actions. Well played, Sir. I will probably take at least another of you out with me. 0:) Your parents would be so proud. Did you know Lutha existed before Crys75 claimed? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/347 "2017-02-21T18:48:55Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > \*\* cookies \*\* could also be the trickster ( wolf role blocker)- when you update your list. That’s theoretically a possibility. But I’d question why the Wolf team would need to role block a claimed doctor. They have the Outrider. If you’re set on killing Septimus, the logical progression would be to first target him with the Outrider during the Day. If that kills him, problem solved. If it doesn’t, he’s not protecting himself and you can hit him at Night. Of course, Cookies has now claimed (or confirmed) being the SK. Assuming that’s truthful, I guess I’d be curious on why she selected Septimus. He’s the Doctor and he’s most likely going to protect himself Day 1 meaning the odds are not in your favor to connect with a Kill versus literally picking anyone else in the game at random. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/348 "2017-02-21T19:00:56Z")
I might have let me check my mail. I didn’t delete any of them OOG these beta blockers make me forget things and make me feel dumb on the daily Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/349 "2017-02-21T19:03:07Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I thought you already investigated her? No I only investigated twice mhaye and drain bead Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/350 "2017-02-21T19:05:34Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > That’s theoretically a possibility. But I’d question why the Wolf team would need to role block a claimed doctor. They have the Outrider. If you’re set on killing Septimus, the logical progression would be to first target him with the Outrider during the Day. If that kills him, problem solved. If it doesn’t, he’s not protecting himself and you can hit him at Night. > > Of course, Cookies has now claimed (or confirmed) being the SK. Assuming that’s truthful, I guess I’d be curious on why she selected Septimus. He’s the Doctor and he’s most likely going to protect himself Day 1 meaning the odds are not in your favor to connect with a Kill versus literally picking anyone else in the game at random. Serial killers are usually 3rd party hostile, and docs can generally self protect but the don’t always in her shoes i may have targeted him too. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/351 "2017-02-21T19:09:42Z")
I cannot conceive of a scenario where Cookies’ claim is fake. It’s conceding the inevitable. “It’s a fair cop.” There’s no gambit where that’s a good fake claim for scum unless they are trying to buy one more day for another obvious target. Even then, I think the chances that they’re trying to draw attention from Hal are remote. However, I think Hal makes a better lynch candidate. He’s almost surely scum. (There are scenarios where he is not, and if he plans on making that case, he needs to do it near Dawn.) Killing scum advances the win condition. Killing a SK does not. If we get two lynches, Cookies makes a lot of sense as #2, but I think Hal is the #1 lynch candidate. > [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > There’s basically 0 upside to counter claiming at Night. We can’t do anything with the counter claim, and it gives the Wolves and Mafia more info for their kill and/or Night actions. So don’t be so quick to trust. > > That said, I totally believe Cookies and Mhaye 99.99%. Ender, more like 80%. I agree with this assessment. Counters should come at Dawn to give scum one less chance to kill the claimant, but to allow the most time to vet and assess the claim. Cookies essentially confirms Mhaye. Cookies confession makes almost no sense as a gambit while confirming Mhaye. Ender’s claim isn’t bulletproof but should be believed in the absence of a counter. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/352 "2017-02-21T19:16:13Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > Killing scum advances the win condition. Killing a SK does not. Help me understand this. If we leave Cookies alive, we (probably) lose another townie tomorrow night. Killing the SK may not advance our win condition, but losing townies accelerates our loss condition. Killing a scum will not save any townie lives unless we wipe out a faction altogether. Certainly it makes sense to keep Cookies alive if we think it will result in extra scum deaths, but otherwise why should we leave an extra hostile kill on the board? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/353 "2017-02-21T19:18:17Z")
I quoted the wrong bit there. I accept that killing the SK does not actively advance our win condition. I just don’t understand why Hal is a **better** candidate assuming we only get one lynch toMorrow. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/354 "2017-02-21T19:32:24Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Help me understand this. > > If we leave Cookies alive, we (probably) lose another townie tomorrow night. Killing the SK may not advance our win condition, but losing townies accelerates our loss condition. Killing a scum will not save any townie lives unless we wipe out a faction altogether. > > Certainly it makes sense to keep Cookies alive if we think it will result in extra scum deaths, but otherwise why should we leave an extra hostile kill on the board? You’re assuming that Cookies hits town. That’s not necessarily the case. It seems that Cookies has hit scum several times already. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/355 "2017-02-21T19:35:18Z")
And you’re assuming that Cookies hits scum. I agree that keeping her alive is just fine if that happens. My question is this: with it being a given that we don’t know **who** Cookies will hit, why is Hal the better choice? ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/356 "2017-02-21T19:35:43Z")
I’m by no means against a Cookies lynch. Cookies is a dead player walking at this point. But Hal needs to be pressured and is target #1. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/357 "2017-02-21T20:08:31Z")
**End of Night is very briefly delayed. I need to double check something and I don’t have it on my work computer; I also need to confer with NAF and Mahaloth on another matter. I will post as soon as I get home, probably in about an hour.** ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/358 "2017-02-21T20:58:01Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > No I only investigated twice mhaye and drain bead > > Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk I think I was confusing Cookies with Drain. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2017, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/359 "2017-02-21T23:49:05Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > Gunfight at high-noon? Sure, if you’re ghost enough to meet me. (Although perhaps midnight might be better. Ghosts should really keep out of the sunlight. Bad for the ectoplasm.) ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2017, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/360 "2017-02-22T03:12:23Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Sure, if you’re ghost enough to meet me. > > (Although perhaps midnight might be better. Ghosts should really keep out of the sunlight. Bad for the ectoplasm.) I was born ghost enough! But yeah, midnight’s better. See you then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855.md?page=17)