# Mafia Reunion Day 6 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 14, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855 "2017-02-14T22:51:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/141 "2017-02-18T02:47:17Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > They’re separate scum teams. Shutting up at night removes information from the team which puts in its orders at night. > > But, like I said, it’s moot. Yes, and shutting up during the Day removes information from the team which puts its orders in during the Day. But that’s not really a viable strategy here either. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/142 "2017-02-18T02:48:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > They’re separate scum teams. Shutting up at night removes information from the team which puts in its orders at night. > > But, like I said, it’s moot. - no one agreed with you because Town can be DKilled by Mafia OR NKlled by Wolves. (or AUBatman) SO why draw the line? in this game at all? you still post like you don’t see the reasoning ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/143 "2017-02-18T02:56:50Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > **Hal** posted something early in the game, asking the mods about…whether scum could communicate on their own board, I think…that pinged me as trying too hard for a derpclear, but he hasn’t given us much to go on since then. I will have to find that once I’m caught up. Ah, here we go: > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/441): > > Family business took over most of the day (_kids_…they’re so damn needy with wanting food and parental attention, I tell you…), so I haven’t been able to read the thread. > > BUT, I did spend quite a bit of time in the [rules post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19895637&postcount=2) and the [roles post](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XVWkU49fRxu3ukJ6EVZ8Q11VrC9JjW9LHnaIMlgi-zU/edit), and something odd has occurred to me\*. > > Do Mafia/Wolves have a standard nightkill? I see where the Godfather has a daykill and the Alpha Wolf has a nightkill, plus there are some roles with “target someone and if _x_ happens then they die” nighttime actions, but do they have the standard nighttime “We choose to kill \” action? > > I can’t imagine that they don’t, simply because those teams would be seriously nerfed if they lost their respective leaders, but I don’t see anything stating that they do. > \*Holy crap, I hope this hasn’t already been pointed out and discussed/explained already. > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/454): > > So, humor me for a second. > > **Do Mafia/Wolves have a standard nightkill not actually specified in the rules?** This pinged me somewhat when he posted originally, but I wanted to see what else he posted to give it some context. Sadly, the answer is “not much else at all”. **Hal** is on the mod chopping block, so no need to be on ours right now, but I want to register suspicions officially here. **vote Hal Briston** I expect to move this by tomorrow to someone who’s not gearing up for modkill. **Inner Stickler** seems to be the crowd favorite at the moment, but I don’t really understand why. I feel like I’ve found myself agreeing with him at multiple points throughout this game, and haven’t gotten a scum vibe. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/144 "2017-02-18T03:02:20Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > Yes, and shutting up during the Day removes information from the team which puts its orders in during the Day. But that’s not really a viable strategy here either. Obviously not, but that’s **never** a valid strategy. In a normal game, you shut up at night because you don’t want to give information to the scum team while they’re deciding what night actions to take. In this game, shutting up at night would still mean we aren’t giving information to the wolves while they make their decision. It doesn’t matter that the mafia gets information while we talk during the day - this isn’t some sort of equal opportunity system where town is obligated to ensure that both scum teams get the same set of advantages. Honestly, though, why exactly are we hashing this out again? I accepted a long time ago that nobody agreed with me. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/145 "2017-02-18T03:04:50Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > I feel like I’ve found myself agreeing with him at multiple points throughout this game, and haven’t gotten a scum vibe. Which points in particular? He’s not bothering to defend himself, so maybe you can do it for him. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/146 "2017-02-18T03:17:00Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Which points in particular? He’s not bothering to defend himself, so maybe you can do it for him. I’d have to go back through to see specifically. I like to keep notes but that has escaped me in this game. Regardless, “not currently voting for” =/= “prepared to mount a defense for”. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/147 "2017-02-18T03:20:29Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Obviously not, but that’s **never** a valid strategy. > > In a normal game, you shut up at night because you don’t want to give information to the scum team while they’re deciding what night actions to take. > > In this game, shutting up at night would still mean we aren’t giving information to the wolves while they make their decision. It doesn’t matter that the mafia gets information while we talk during the day - this isn’t some sort of equal opportunity system where town is obligated to ensure that both scum teams get the same set of advantages. > > Honestly, though, why exactly are we hashing this out again? I accepted a long time ago that nobody agreed with me. **Lightfoot** explained it best, above. The only reason I can think of that you’d be concerned about a Nightkill but not a Daykill, is being on the NK team yourself. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/148 "2017-02-18T03:24:43Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Obviously not, but that’s **never** a valid strategy. > > In a normal game, you shut up at night because you don’t want to give information to the scum team while they’re deciding what night actions to take. > > In this game, shutting up at night would still mean we aren’t giving information to the wolves while they make their decision. It doesn’t matter that the mafia gets information while we talk during the day - this isn’t some sort of equal opportunity system where town is obligated to ensure that both scum teams get the same set of advantages. > > Honestly, though, why exactly are we hashing this out again? I accepted a long time ago that nobody agreed with me. Your refusal to see the validity of the argument makes you appear to be a Mafia member after it has been hashed this many times. and what the hell iis with the underlined by me- statement? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/149 "2017-02-18T03:27:55Z")
NETA and even in a 'standard ’ game. It is a good idea to get your thoughts on record in the event you \* are[/] the NK. I didn’t used to think that way but I evolved ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/150 "2017-02-18T03:35:07Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > **Lightfoot** explained it best, above. The only reason I can think of that you’d be concerned about a Nightkill but not a Daykill, is being on the NK team yourself. I don’t want to be day killed, obviously, but talking during the day is necessary to inform a good Lynch and otherwise play the game. Talking at night isn’t. This is my opinion, sorry. I see your point of view and I disagree. I’m not going to capitulate on it just to avoid suspicion. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/151 "2017-02-18T03:47:42Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I don’t want to be day killed, obviously, but talking during the day is necessary to inform a good Lynch and otherwise play the game. Talking at night isn’t. This is my opinion, sorry. I see your point of view and I disagree. I’m not going to capitulate on it just to avoid suspicion. I understand your point now more than I did before. However I still think we shouldn’t hold back when we have something to say, in this game at least. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/152 "2017-02-18T04:33:51Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I don’t want to be day killed, obviously, but talking during the day is necessary to inform a good Lynch and otherwise play the game. Talking at night isn’t. This is my opinion, sorry. I see your point of view and I disagree. I’m not going to capitulate on it just to avoid suspicion. ok,we can agree to not agree on this point— so have you voiced your opinion on the player that wasn’t worried about being NK’d? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/153 "2017-02-18T05:53:15Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > So I actually had to go back and read over the day to see what I was seeing at that point. And really it boiled down to the transition that Prof made between “fluffy poster” and pointedly saying “this confirmed-because-dead townie who defended me is dead, woe is me for I am surely next”. Then too, the “lynch cult first” strategy was not fully pro-scum but gets scummier every day, and finally (the thing I’d mostly forgotten about) was that he posted in D4.25 about wanting to look for historically strong players who were inexplicably to him still alive. > > So that all piled up in my head, because I was reading but not formulating posts, and here we sit. When I got to the point where I absolutely needed to vote, Prof and Diggit were tied for second, and it had stuck in my head that the anti-Prof cases from the beginning of D4 seemed more substantial than they had on D3. So I picked Prof since I’ve been on record the whole game as a proponent of lynch as much as possible, and Boozy was already well in the bag. All you said at the time when you first voted against him was that you were previously happy with the case against **P.P.**. (D4, #353) OK, maybe you really forgot your D4 train of thought later. Maybe you are overwhelmed Townie who voted for \*\*Professor Pepperwinkle \*\* that Friday morning because you felt like you “absolutely needed” to get a vote in with over two full real days still to go before EOD. But was this because you didn’t think you would be back to the game before EOD? If so, why not say some of this at the time? You stated in the post just prior to your vote post (D4, #352) that you had unexpected travel work issues earlier in the week but that you were trying to do a voting analysis. There is nothing in that post to indicate you were under pressure to vote then and there or that you did not expect to be back again before EOD. I don’t understand. ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/154 "2017-02-18T08:02:06Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I don’t want to be day killed, obviously, but talking during the day is necessary to inform a good Lynch and otherwise play the game. Talking at night isn’t. This is my opinion, sorry. I see your point of view and I disagree. I’m not going to capitulate on it just to avoid suspicion. Ok, I’m getting really confused about all this. Wasn’t one of the reason you are suspicious of me is because I agree with you here? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/155 "2017-02-18T12:03:32Z")
> [@Khameleon](#): > > Ok, I’m getting really confused about all this. Wasn’t one of the reason you are suspicious of me is because I agree with you here? Hmm, maybe. Can you point me at the part where you said you didn’t want to talk at night because you didn’t want to give scum information? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/156 "2017-02-18T12:19:35Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > You guess wrong. I will give you more attention when I am off work. ( off to find the post…) I set an unfair challenge, I think you’re lurking in plain sight, with such a high volume of posts, I’m struggling to pinpoint what it is about you that’s pinging me so much, and I keep having these “oh, I forgot Lightfoot’s in this game” moments. It feels like you’ve got a bunch of flaky posts, weak bandwagon votes, some pot stirring, no strong stances but I manage to find counter-examples when I go digging. You’re very polite and responsive to direct questioning, so either my scumdar is off - which may be the case in this game, or you’re doing a great job at hiding your scumminess and it’s bothering me. > [@LightFoot](#): > > knowing what we are against, and what we have for defense ( power wise) was to benefit Town etal. Some players may not have been keeping track. I don’t understand your issue with this? You listed the roles, twice now, without any comment, just fact. No concern about the balance of power, no mention of strategy, claims, nothing - it looks like you’re being helpful for the sake of being helpful - maybe you did your own analysis and didn’t want to share it. Here, three questions for you: who are your top three suspects and why? How/when do you suggest we deal with Lutha? What advice would you give to the remaining town powers? > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Hmm, maybe. Can you point me at the part where you said you didn’t want to talk at night because you didn’t want to give scum information? It was something quite different, she explained her lack of response to your vote: > [@Mafia Reunion Day 4](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/229): > > > [@Mafia Reunion Day 4](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/26): > > > > Like I’ve been saying on D2, I’m good with putting pressure on the cultists with the threat of a lynch. I would be very happy with a 2nd lynch on Sachertorte, but I doubt town’s ability to work together and make any second lynch happen. > > > > For the moment, at the beginning of the day: > > > > vote Khameleon for the reasons I outlined in D3#1028 and D3#1041. I never got any response from him and I would like one. > > It’s she, although it doesn’t really matter to me whether you think I’m a she, he or it. > > I actually figured I would wait until Day to respond to you so it would be in the more current thread. I apologize for how I’ve quoted from the other thread, but I’m not sure the correct way to do it - the following are from the D3 thread - post numbers are included. I pointed out how this looked like she was certain she would live through the Night and suggested she was alpha or godfather. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/157 "2017-02-18T15:26:46Z")
LightFoot crys75 EnderW24 Hal Briston hawkeyeop LightFoot MHaye Nanook of the North Shore Nesta Total Lost NONE OF YOU HAVE POSTED!!! There are only 157 posts in this game Day. Post something or there will be an epic bloodbath pretty soon. This is not the first warning most of you have gotten. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/158 "2017-02-18T16:02:29Z")
It’s getting to the point where I’m feeling like players shouldnt be allowed to skate by with a single post. This fame cannot remain playable at the current level of participation. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/159 "2017-02-18T16:11:55Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > It’s getting to the point where I’m feeling like players shouldnt be allowed to skate by with a single post. This fame cannot remain playable at the current level of participation. I agree. A bloodbath would be disappointing but better than 25% of the players being allowed to continue basically non-participating. Otherwise, at some point, those players will be the only ones left…and then what? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/160 "2017-02-18T16:22:32Z")
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