# Mafia Reunion - Day 9 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [March 7, 2017, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651 "2017-03-07T21:58:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/81 "2017-03-09T03:22:06Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Is it necessary to lynch Koldanar now? I think we should leave him alone for now and look for scum elsewhere. I would be in favor of a Koldanar lynch only if two other cult members claim. If we go for a Koldanar lynch we might be making another mistake over bullshit meta game analysis. > > I say there is no rush to lynch Koldanar. If he is scum, we have five more scum to try and kill. Koldanar can wait. I agree. I see no reason to lynch \*\*Koldanar \*\*at this time. FWIW, I believe both LUTHA claimants. Once again, [my case against \*\*Zeriel \*\*](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20035494&postcount=49). On Day8 **Zeriel** first voted for \*\*Khameleon \*\*when he ( **Khameleon** ) insinuated a power role. Then, when \*\*Khameleon \*\*claimed mason, \*\*Zeriel \*\* unvoted and switched to **Cygnus**. He made no other contributions yesterday and none toDay. He has never followed-up on his previous questions for \*\*Johnny Bravo \*\* or **Plumpudding**. \*\*Vote Zeriel \*\* ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/82 "2017-03-09T03:38:01Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > I agree. I see no reason to lynch \*\*Koldanar \*\*at this time. FWIW, I believe both LUTHA claimants. > > Once again, [my case against \*\*Zeriel \*\*](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20035494&postcount=49). > > On Day8 **Zeriel** first voted for \*\*Khameleon \*\*when he ( **Khameleon** ) insinuated a power role. Then, when \*\*Khameleon \*\*claimed mason, \*\*Zeriel \*\* unvoted and switched to **Cygnus**. He made no other contributions yesterday and none toDay. He has never followed-up on his previous questions for \*\*Johnny Bravo \*\* or **Plumpudding**. > \*\*Vote Zeriel \*\* Maybe wait and see if he gets modkilled? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/83 "2017-03-09T03:40:11Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Fair point. > > The first two cultists revealed were the first deacon and second deacon. My assumption (perhaps not everyone else’s) was that the rest would be 3-5. One of the surprising parts of Koldanar’s claim was that he didn’t have a # and had a different power then the revealed cultists. Sinjin, if we take things at face value, also has no # and has a different power. So for this to work the scum would have needed to know that not all cultists were the same. I’m not sure why they would know that. Yeah, I get that, but where did the claim of\*\*\* only\*\*\* two come from? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/84 "2017-03-09T03:43:48Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Maybe wait and see if he gets modkilled? Possibly. Somehow I expect the barely playing Scum players will all show up again and play just enough. So far it has just been Town getting modkilled. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/85 "2017-03-09T03:48:56Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Possibly. Somehow I expect the barely playing Scum players will all show up again and play just enough. So far it has just been Town getting modkilled. Good point. So if he gets mod killed killed, then he’s town and we shouldn;t have lynched him. If he escapes modkill, then we lynch him…? (not really a super serious plan) ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/86 "2017-03-09T03:56:21Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Possibly. Somehow I expect the barely playing Scum players will all show up again and play just enough. So far it has just been Town getting modkilled. wE just had two pop in after a warning- one claimed LUTHA what are your thoughts on Raventhief - given your theorie? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/87 "2017-03-09T04:00:40Z")
My opinion on Koldanar hasn’t changed. I think he’s cult. I also think he edited his role PM. Sinjin’s BACKGROUND _does_ match the Deacons, so that tracks, but look at Sinjin’s POWERS description - short and to the point. When I first brought up the discrepancies in the wording of Koldanar’s POWERS description, the idea was floated that perhaps the cult was written up by a different mod than all the others. But Koldanar’s POWERS description is inconsistent even within the cult. Either it’s edited, or a mod did him a grave disservice by giving him the only role in the game with a fluffy POWERS description. ## I’m going to presume that Koldanar is lying cult until he’s either lynched or until two more cultists claim. Elsewhere, I’m glad that townies have been agreeing with me about the claiming. I was beginning to the think that I was an insane person. FOS Texcat and FOS Lightfoot for pushing back hard against narrowing down the scum pool. I would also like Lightfoot to respond to post #49 because I have a serious problem with the way she characterized my proposal. Meanwhile: > [@](#): > > Confirmed Town > > 1. Captain Klutz - Mason > 2. Lakai 2 - Mason > 3. MHaye - Watcher > 4. snfaulkner - Tinkerer > > Confirmed(ish) Cult > 28. Koldanar - Pontiff > 46. sinjin - Cardinal > > Current Scum Pool (12 total, 6 scum) > 3. Biotop > 6. bufftabby > 19. hawkeyeop > 25. Johnny Bravo > 30. LightFoot - [Not Mafia (Enderw24)] > 33. Nanook of the North Shore > 34. Nesta > 37. Plumpudding > 40. Raventhief > 44. Scathach > 50. Texcat > 55. Zeriel ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/88 "2017-03-09T04:04:01Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Either it’s edited, or a mod did him a grave disservice by giving him the only role in the game with a fluffy POWERS description. NETA: Not the only fluffy role, but the one with far and away more color than anybody else. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/89 "2017-03-09T04:05:02Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > NETA: Not the only fluffy role, but the one with far and away more color than anybody else. NETA on **that** : POWERS, not role. Okay, I’m done for now. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/90 "2017-03-09T04:09:43Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > wE just had two pop in after a warning- one claimed LUTHA what are your thoughts on Raventhief - given your theorie? I can see where that might seem squirrelly, but one (maybe two) points. I went out of town last week, which i mentioned. I got back Saturday and was knackered. So I just couldn’t muster the energy to get re-involved. Second point - I’m Town. No reason for you to believe that, and I was put on notice, but I don’t want yet another Townie to get modkilled, bringing our numbers down again. So even though i suck, I am studying the game again, looking for someone that looks like scum to me. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/91 "2017-03-09T04:13:00Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > NETA: Not the only fluffy role, but the one with far and away more color than anybody else. The tinkerer powers description is fairly fluffy too, so I don’t think its a huge deal. > [@](#): > > POWERS: > You have three abilities, any of which may be used only by Night; the ordinary light of day both frightens and confuses you. You may use only one ability per Night, and may use any given ability only once per game. > [ol] > [li]By plugging… a… thing… into… another thing… look the terminology kind of escapes you, but in any case, you can instantly reset all switches in the game to their default “on” positions. This ability is superseded by the opposing ability of the Consigliere, such that if both of you use your powers on the same Night, all switches will be set to “off.”[/li][li]You’d be surprised how many surveillance cameras have been placed around this otherwise quaint town. Well, you wouldn’t be surprised, because you’re a creepy person, but most people would be surprised. Once per game, you can access the records of these cameras to discern what a (living or dead) target of your choice did during the previous Day-Night cycle.[/li][li]Once per game, you may build a curious device whose actual mechanical function is a mystery. This device will block the Consigliere and Omega Wolf from taking any action at all during the next Day-Night Cycle. This works correctly even if you do not know the identities of either player, but note that both players will be told that their actions have been blocked.[/li][/ol] ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/92 "2017-03-09T04:18:10Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > The tinkerer powers description is fairly fluffy too, so I don’t think its a huge deal. Yes, **however** , note how even the tinkerer powers description leads off with a fairly mundane description and then gets to the fluff. That’s the style for all of the powers roles - they start with minimal fluff and then get to the silliness (if there is any). The tinkerer role does have the “ordinary light of day” bit, but I still think Koldanar’s claim doesn’t match up. I went through all of this in a lot more detail when I first brought up the discrepancies. I don’t remember exactly where it is atm. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/93 "2017-03-09T04:20:25Z")
> [@Mafia Reunion: Day Eight](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/151): > > > [@Mafia Reunion: Day Eight](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/150): > > > > There was further discussion between he and I after that, which **Pleonast** touched on in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19929984&postcount=121). > > That post is just Pleonast going back to our D1 argument. Ya know, this is a really good example of my issue with you. You say that’s “just” **Pleonast** going back to our D1 argument. And? I was replying that my issue went beyond you calling out **Meeko** for posting in the wrong thread, and cited **Pleo** ’s reference to that. See below for relevant exchanges, in order. > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/246): > > FOS Meeko for posting in the Night 0 thread. > > Let’s not muddy these already opaque waters by posting in previous threads. > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/252): > > Is there any reason to think the post there is anything other than an accident? > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/255): > > More importantly, what would be the scum motivation/benefit of doing so? I see none. > > Here’s the post in question: > > > [@Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/467): > > > > **Is it wrong if this snippet of a post, alone, make me want to take up smoking pot?** > > > > **Chronos** can we agree not to open this can of worms here? > > FOS **Johnny Bravo** for trying to spin nothing into something > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/256): > > It may not be scum, but it’s anti-town. There zero good reason to divert attention away from this thread, and there are extremely good reasons to keep each thread entirely self contained. > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/259): > > You really think he intentionally posted in the wrong thread as some sort of distraction to the matters at hand? Occam leads me to believe that he accidentally posted in the thread of the post he was replying to. There’s no good reason to believe otherwise. > > **vote Johnny Bravo** > > for trying to turn an anthill into Everest. > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/265): > > Just to be clear, you’re voting me because I **answered the question you directed at me?** > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Two](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/121): > > On re-read, this post really bothers me. It’s too defensive and misrepresents what **bufftabby** said. > [@Mafia Reunion: Day Eight](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/151): > > > [@Mafia Reunion: Day Eight](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/150): > > > > I also took issue with him in [D6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20009136&postcount=147). > > And that exchange is a rehashing of something I said back during N2. It’s also you saying that you agreed with Lightfoot, and Lightfoot and I managed to agree to disagree about that issue. > > If you really don’t have anything past N2 then, yeah, smells like a “me too” vote. How is relevant that the issue was also discussed D2? That doesn’t refute my statement that I took issue with it D6. So yes, I voted you after you answered a question, and yes, I took issue in a later Day with something you said in an earlier Day. This is not exactly a “Let bygones be bygones” kind of game. Why are you trying so hard in this game to spin things that are a totally normal course of the game, into something nefarious? (You know, like **Meeko** accidentally posting the above post into N0 instead of D1. Sure, that’s where you started doing it, but you haven’t stopped yet.) ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/94 "2017-03-09T04:22:25Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Last Night I used my cameras to see what Biotop did on D/N7 and he did…Should I give him a chance to say what he did before continuing? Did I miss where this was ever addressed by **Biotop**? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/95 "2017-03-09T04:26:00Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > Did I miss where this was ever addressed by **Biotop**? Yeah, he said he did nothing, which is what I saw. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/96 "2017-03-09T04:32:52Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > wE just had two pop in after a warning- one claimed LUTHA what are your thoughts on Raventhief - given your theorie? I have no case against \*\*Raventhief \*\*at this time. My case against \*\*Zeriel \*\*is not mainly based on low level of play, but on his provable misrepresentation of the reason for his vote on **Professor Pepperwinkle** and his failure to follow through on his other comments. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/97 "2017-03-09T04:35:32Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > Did I miss where this was ever addressed by **Biotop**? Post #22. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/98 "2017-03-09T04:36:53Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I can see where that might seem squirrelly, but one (maybe two) points. I went out of town last week, which i mentioned. I got back Saturday and was knackered. So I just couldn’t muster the energy to get re-involved. > Second point - I’m Town. No reason for you to believe that, and I was put on notice, but I don’t want yet another Townie to get modkilled, bringing our numbers down again. > > So even though i suck, I am studying the game again, looking for someone that looks like scum to me. I was curious how Biotop saw it- with their comment. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/99 "2017-03-09T04:38:40Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I was curious how Biotop saw it- with their comment. \ sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/100 "2017-03-09T04:40:17Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > How is relevant that the issue was also discussed D2? That doesn’t refute my statement that I took issue with it D6. So yes, I voted you after you answered a question, and yes, I took issue in a later Day with something you said in an earlier Day. This is not exactly a “Let bygones be bygones” kind of game. Why are you trying so hard in this game to spin things that are a totally normal course of the game, into something nefarious? My point is that you’re calling me out for a stuff that happened on D1 and D2, which is fine and fair game, but you’re also stopping there. When you said you “also took issue with [me] in D6,” you’re making it sound like you had taken issue with something I’d done somewhere between D2 and D6, but you really hadn’t. All you were doing was eating off of that same meal as before. And you’re talking about mountains and molehills? It’s not nefarious; it’s lazy. There have been many, many hundreds of posts since them, and a good number of them were by me. Dig deeper and give me something to respond to that hasn’t already been hashed to death and back again. I really have no intention of going back to the Meeko N0 post or the comparative benefits of talking/not talking at night, except to say that I still believe everything I posted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651.md?page=6)