# Mafia Reunion - Day 9 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [March 7, 2017, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651 "2017-03-07T21:58:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/161 "2017-03-10T19:12:32Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > MHaye was blocked D8, but not N7 or N8. So I was told. But, to quote Kevin Renner, “that turns out not to be the case.” I just logged in to find out the latest progress, and was greeted with the following PM. [QUOTE=NAF1138] Hey, there is a 4th possibility about why you didn’t get blocked both halves of the cycle that you didn’t account for. Moderator error. I did not double check before I sent you your results and that’s my fault. Feel free to post this. You should have been blocked. [/QUOTE] Now, it did occur to me that there may have been an error by the mod, but I decided to exclude that, and it appears that was also an error. Sigh. So, let’s ignore what I said about not being roleblocked for two consecutive phases. Also, I appear not to have seen the Godfather getting eviscerated. Ho hum. Back to the drawing board. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/162 "2017-03-10T19:35:05Z")
So it should have been D8/N8, right? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/163 "2017-03-10T19:36:47Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > “The _best case_ scenario is that the patsy gets lynched and then explodes a scum.” > But you want the patsy to claim now to negate the ‘ best case” ? That’s the best case in the event of a patsy lynch (I see that I wasn’t clear about that). The absolute best case here is for the patsy to claim and increase our chances of hitting scum. > [@](#): > > How do Scum get 2 Night Kills? They don’t - I think it’s obvious I meant daykill/nightkill. That was a typo. > [@](#): > > Sure if/when one of us has to fully claim- the other will be outed but it will be later . There are only 48 hours until dusk. Not much time for those sorts of ploys, especially in a game where we still have people who aren’t playing, or who pop in to apologize, drop a vote, and then apologize again because they’re too busy to play and probably won’t have much more to add. > [@LightFoot](#): > > wait, what? > \*\* Bufftabby \*\* is voting for you > and you think they are Scum > > I be cornfused here… At this point I honestly don’t know if you’re genuinely confused or just throwing a bunch of random questions around as some sort of smokescreen. I was going through several different possibilities in that post, including one in which every person voting for me is town. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/164 "2017-03-10T20:08:15Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > That’s the best case in the event of a patsy lynch (I see that I wasn’t clear about that). The absolute best case here is for the patsy to claim and increase our chances of hitting scum. I like my idea better. > [@](#): > > They don’t - I think it’s obvious I meant daykill/nightkill. That was a typo. it wasn’t obvious to me. So I asked- > [@](#): > > There are only 48 hours until dusk. Not much time for those sorts of ploys, especially in a game where we still have people who aren’t playing, or who pop in to apologize, drop a vote, and then apologize again because they’re too busy to play and probably won’t have much more to add. I never said it had to happen toDay- - leave the zoning dude an additional cover for another Day. If one of the ZI/Patsy is an AWOL player it is a moot point of course > [@](#): > > At this point I honestly don’t know if you’re genuinely confused or just throwing a bunch of random questions around as some sort of smokescreen. I was going through several different possibilities in that post, including one in which every person voting for me is town. I did find that bit confusing- still do to some extent- but … . I am at work- I comment as I spot something I want to comment on or clarification of. It helps more than me not posting anything until I get home and can make a detailed post. - don’tcha think? \* Bottom line \*\* so far you are the only player that has concerns about my “ claim” and I think you are Scum so I am interested in another opinion.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/165 "2017-03-10T20:37:12Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I am concerned about this Bufftabby bandwagon. The case feels mostly based lack of follow-through, which doesn’t make her unique here. There are masons on board, but given the ratio of scum to not scum left, I’m dubious of any lynch that gets such quick consensus. That’s natural, but the cases raised were substantive. The rest of this is really wrong-headed enough that I’m going to FOS you over it: > [@](#): > > As I said, I was concerned with ferocity of which we wanted a mass claim. I think he has been attacking voters methods and effort as much as defending actual points against him. - methods and effort are valid points of contention–many a scum has been caught by subtle or overt flaws in ostensibly pro-town plans. > [@](#): > > I think his focus on whether people are wolf or mafia might indicate he cares about the distinction. - as we near endgame, we should care about the distinction–it’s admittedly hard for us to do so, but to the extent we have an inkling it is FAR better strategically for town to try to keep the scum as close to evenly split as we can so they have to fight each other as much as fight us. Either two mafia or two wolves is wildly more dangerous than one mafia and one wolf–the latter two can neither coordinate nor win together. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/166 "2017-03-10T20:44:13Z")
Stick a “For example,” on the beginning of that last sentence of mine. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/167 "2017-03-10T20:56:58Z")
I posted earlier that I thought \*\*Pleonast \*\* investigated \*\*bufftabby \*\* on Night 1. Nobody much commented on it, so I will spell it out again: This is [\*\*Pleonast \*\* the Seer on Day 1.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19917552&postcount=841) Here is [\*\*Pleonast \*\*'s first post on Day 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19929984&postcount=121) I don’t think it is exactly out of left field to suggest that \*\*Pleonast \*\*would check out one of his Day 1 suspects. So what did he find out? Well one thing that changed in his list of suspects on Day 2 is \*\*bufftabby \*\*was dropped from that list, and \*\*Johnny Bravo \*\*was added. As is well documented, \*\*bufftabby \*\*and \*\*Johnny Bravo \*\*were sparring on Day 1. So why the change? Maybe \*\*bufftabby \*\*came back “Townsperson.” This would give reason for \*\*Pleonast \*\*to reconsider their debate. Of course, \*\*bufftabby \*\*could be Alpha and thus would give a false response. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/168 "2017-03-10T21:40:54Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > So it should have been D8/N8, right? That’s my understanding, yes. NAF wasn’t explicit though. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/169 "2017-03-10T22:02:01Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > I don’t think it is exactly out of left field to suggest that \*\*Pleonast \*\*would check out one of his Day 1 suspects. So what did he find out? Well one thing that changed in his list of suspects on Day 2 is \*\*bufftabby \*\*was dropped from that list, and \*\*Johnny Bravo \*\*was added. As is well documented, \*\*bufftabby \*\*and \*\*Johnny Bravo \*\*were sparring on Day 1. So why the change? > > Maybe \*\*bufftabby \*\*came back “Townsperson.” This would give reason for \*\*Pleonast \*\*to reconsider their debate. Of course, \*\*bufftabby \*\*could be Alpha and thus would give a false response. At the risk of poking the bear vis-a-vis your case on me, we’ve already had one mislynch based on a presumed-clear breadcrumb from **Pleonast**. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/170 "2017-03-10T22:14:29Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > While this is normally true, I think the evidence is good enough that this defense of buff really looks bad on you if she flips scum. I am not defending anyone. I do not and never have trusted run away trains. And I am not real sure what this one is based on, truly. * * * ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/171 "2017-03-10T23:07:56Z")
I’m not sure I’d call it a run away. YEah, there was a short run up of votes on bufftabby, but it seems to have abated. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/172 "2017-03-10T23:31:54Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I’m not sure I’d call it a run away. YEah, there was a short run up of votes on bufftabby, but it seems to have abated. you are correct not really running away at this point. but not much competition either. 6/18 voting buff 3/18 voting Johnny B does that leave 10 not voting? Or did I miss some votes? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/173 "2017-03-10T23:35:59Z")
Biotop is voting for zerial I think, but other than that… ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/174 "2017-03-10T23:36:01Z")
**unvote: Koldanar** I’m reluctantly conceding that given the lack of counterclaim, from a 5th LUTHA, that Koldanar must be LUTHA. But it would not surprise me at all to see a LUTHA among the mod kills, in which case my vote is immediately going back. \*\*vote: Bufftabby \*\* Johnny Bravo’s case had the smell of OMGUS to me, but I thought that CaptK’s case about Buff voting for Inner instead of Boozy made a lot of sense. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/175 "2017-03-11T02:28:35Z")
Well then, this is quite a lazy vote train **Johnny Bravo** has got going on me. Where to begin… > [@TexCat](#): > > Johnny Bravo’s case had the smell of OMGUS to me, but I thought that CaptK’s case about Buff voting for Inner instead of Boozy made a lot of sense. I didn’t vote for **Inner** , so I’m not sure how close you paid attention to that case. > [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > I’m happy with a **bufftabby** lynch. The most telling thing, supporting that she is as wolf, was on Day 4, when she was the last vote on DiggitCamara: > That was actually the 15th vote. To get maximum information, the vote would have been better on Boozy. > > A few minutes later, Johnny Bravo invites her to switch: > But this switch does not happen. It was only the 15th vote, rather than the 14th I thought it to be, because I voted at [1:06pm](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19978423&postcount=535) and did not return, and **Johnny** ’s vote at [1:05pm](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19978422&postcount=534), also on **DiggitCamara** , was unseen by me until after the Day ended. Presumably he placed his vote while I was coding my own. The switch, as you say, did not happen, but me coming back the rest of the Day once I had a vote down was also a thing that did not happen. If I had known **Boozy** was a wolf, I would’ve obviously placed my vote there to yield “maximum information”. Of course, lynching them both was pretty effective to that end too. Heeeeere’s **Johnny** ’s me too vote from that Day, before he switched to **Boozy** (so my help wasn’t needed on **boozy** anyway): > [@Mafia Reunion Day 4](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/534): > > I’m afraid I don’t have much more than a “me too” to go with this, but the primary reason I’m doing this vote is to put Diggit at 14. This means that town can go for a double lynch today - I’m fine with that. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/176 "2017-03-11T02:29:42Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > You think I’m Mafia, \*\*but the only reason you’re back on this case is because the freakin’ godfather made a point of reminding you that you’re suspicious of me. \*\* How on earth does that track? You are making an inaccurate statement about me, as is your M.O. Unless you are positing that **Lakai** is godfather rather than mason? See below. > [@Mafia Reunion: Day Eight](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/144): > > There’s a couple players I want to take a closer look at, but there’s no way I’m going to be able to do that before this Day ends. So I’m going to follow an all-but-confirmed Mason here and > > **vote Johnny Bravo** > > I feel okay about this, as I’ve expressed my suspicions of and voted for **johnny bravo** previously, so this isn’t purely a Me Too vote by any means. > > I do wish we had a second vote toDay, because I do not trust the cult. But I think a sole lynch is wasted on the cult and advances known scum win conditions, whereas the cult win conditions are still unknown and may or may not be a threat. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Failure to follow through is a scum tell. It’s different than lurking. If you have the power to create more hours in a day, please use that. I could use it after working 13 hours yesterday. I would much rather be playing this game, but here we are. > [@raventhief](#): > > Why MUST she be scum in those scenarios? > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Because the other three townies are all voting for me. Okay, this at least gave me a good laugh. Thanks. The townie thing to do is vote for you, so I must be scum for voting for you. Got it! ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/177 "2017-03-11T02:35:52Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > You think I’m Mafia, \*\*but the only reason you’re back on this case is because the freakin’ godfather made a point of reminding you that you’re suspicious of me. \*\* How on earth does that track? This statement bothers me more and more, actually. I only learned this morning that **Guiri** was the Godfather. But it kinda sounds like you already knew. Why else would you ask “how on earth does that track?” as though it was already common knowledge that I was choosing to ignore? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/178 "2017-03-11T03:05:04Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > Okay, this at least gave me a good laugh. Thanks. The townie thing to do is vote for you, so I must be scum for voting for you. Got it! See, stuff like this is why I think you and Lightfoot must both be on the same scum team, because you keep twisting my posts in the exact same way. Go back and read the entire post. Or the one where I already clarified that line for Lightfoot. You understand that I was not actually arguing that all three votes on me are townies, right? > [@](#): > > This statement bothers me more and more, actually. I only learned this morning that Guiri was the Godfather. But it kinda sounds like you already knew. Why else would you ask “how on earth does that track?” as though it was already common knowledge that I was choosing to ignore? What on earth are you talking about? YesterDay it was Guiri who poked you to remind you that you had, on D1, taken issue with me for my argument with Meeko, and he asked you whether you were suspicious of me for any other reason. That was when you brought up the “Johnny Bravo isn’t worried about day kills” argument again. Now, toDay, it is possible to point out to you that you are a) accusing me of being a Mafia and b) it was the godfather who prodded you and caused you to dredge up the stupid night-talking thing. So yes, it looks like you’re ignoring what is now common knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/179 "2017-03-11T03:31:08Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > See, stuff like this is why I think you and Lightfoot must both be on the same scum team, because you keep twisting my posts in the exact same way. Go back and read the entire post. Or the one where I already clarified that line for Lightfoot. You understand that I was not actually arguing that all three votes on me are townies, right? YOU keep tying us together- I did not twist your post I didn’t follow your thought process the way it was typed ( the quoted bits and replies 'specially)- Garsh- another player felt the same way- yep we must be in cahoots. arrrggg frustrating. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-9/781651/180 "2017-03-11T03:39:58Z")
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