# Mafia Reunion: Day Eight **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 28, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068 "2017-02-28T22:07:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/21 "2017-03-01T00:07:39Z")
Huh. I hate waking up dead. I’m off to go make some steak fries to go with dinner. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/22 "2017-03-01T00:15:57Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > Also, note that there were 2 different wordings for the switch PMs. **Brewha’s** was different to the others and it was one of the justifications for his lynch. This is a really good point. I was starting to completely disbelieve **koldanar** ’s claim after the discrepancy in tone was pointed out, but I thought the same thing about **brewha** and look how _that_ turned out. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/23 "2017-03-01T00:19:11Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > This is a really good point. I was starting to completely disbelieve **koldanar** ’s claim after the discrepancy in tone was pointed out, but I thought the same thing about **brewha** and look how _that_ turned out. Yeah, restating what I posted very late in the Day7 thread, I think the PM POWER fluffiness to be a non-issue. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/24 "2017-03-01T00:20:38Z")
Not that I have been the most prolific (or skilled) hunter, but I am going out of town for a couple of days and will only have limited access until Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/25 "2017-03-01T00:23:13Z")
That’s a good point, but I really hate the idea of dismissing evidence with “the game might be written inconsistently” as the reasoning. What about having the same BACKGROUND as the Deacons? He’s a different role within the same faction, but there is no common BACKGROUND for the other three factions. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/26 "2017-03-01T01:07:24Z")
Ok, if we are going to be really picky with the role PMs: > [@](#): > > Welcome to the game; you are The Pontiff of the Cult of Lutha > > ALIGNMENT: Third Party (Non-Hostile) That is the heading of Koldanar’s alleged PM. Here is the heading for a Werewolf: > [@](#): > > Welcome to the game; you are The Trickster > > ALIGNMENT: Werewolves Note it doesn’t say “you are a The Trickster Werewolf” on the first line. It just says the role, “The Trickster”, while Koldanar’s PM has his role and faction on the first line. Also on the second line the Alignment is Third Party. But when our first cult member died, the game mods forgot to mention his alignment, and then when prompted, they said it was “cult” not “third party”. Wouldn’t that mean that the official game PM should read “ALIGNMENT: Cult”? Lets ponder for a second that Koldanar is lying. What is there to gain? Is he scum trying to settle into a role claim before he is in danger of being lynched, before it looks desperate? That would be a very risky move by scum, especially since the other two cult members could counter claim. Is he a lying cult member? How can he benefit from lying? What is he lying about? Is he not a pontiff? Is he something more sinister? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/27 "2017-03-01T01:22:39Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Don’t know if anyone else has played Portal 2, but this really sounds like it’s coming from GladOS aka Cookies in this game. Wait, was portal based on Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy? Because I thought that’s what was going on in that color. I really do need to play Portal I guess. Now I feel like I’m not one of the cool kids. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/28 "2017-03-01T01:27:25Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Wait, was portal based on Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy? Because I thought that’s what was going on in that color. I really do need to play Portal I guess. Now I feel like I’m not one of the cool kids. As a recent inductee to the cool kids club, I give portal 7 thumbs up. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/29 "2017-03-01T01:53:31Z")
I also read \*\* Koldanar’s \*\* claim as ‘hinky’ timing and such and the redirects don’t make sense to me for target or victim. > [@](#): > > Chronos -\> Cookies (No result, of course) > Enderw24 -\> snfaulker (no result, again) > TexCat -\> Johnny B. I can’t find where/if it was posted, but on the Days he redirected did he broadcast any suspicions of the players manipulated? - sorry asking others to do my homework, but I am juggling a bit right now \* ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/30 "2017-03-01T02:12:59Z")
If \*\*Koldanar \*\*has been flipping his switch every night, then it seems someone still living (at least still living as of yesterDay) must have the other GLaDOS switch. How else to explain the extra deaths? Why has this person not come forward? Possibilities: 1. Scum have the other switch. If this is the case and \*\*Koldanar \*\*is telling the truth, then one Scum team started with the advantage of knowing about GLaDOS. 2. A LUTHA member has the other switch. Again assuming \*\*Koldanar \*\*is telling the truth, that means the SK would have been totally in LUTHA control. Does that seem likely? 3. Town has the other switch. But why not come out and say so? 4. Another killer is at work. GLaDOS was actually switched off. 5. \*\*Koldanar \*\*is lying. I don’t much like any of these possibilities, but I do not see any other choices. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/31 "2017-03-01T03:01:20Z")
another thing- I recall \*\* Koldanar \*\* stated they thought the other switch holder was dead ( not sure when.) but- if they threw their switch every Night [i\]( was it a Night action claimed?) \* then - have they since qualified how the extra deaths occurred? or am I out of sync with the timing? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/32 "2017-03-01T03:15:44Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Continuing the discussion from last Night, why would Koldanar fake a claim? Was he ever in danger of being lynched? > > Also, why is Mhaye still alive? Why is scum letting him live? I find this curious as well. Town does not have a Doc left. Day and Night Kills are happening, but the claimed remains alive= Is there a Town friendly rogue doc power?- ( of course that would mean there was another Killing power) ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/33 "2017-03-01T03:19:48Z")
I do think we have bigger fish to fry- [columbo] but just one more thing…[/c] it is Day 8 and we have been told that \*\* Koldanar \*\* used re-direct 3 times-- has anyone asked if there were more? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/34 "2017-03-01T03:35:08Z")
Hey, just as a note, there might be mod kills coming tomorrow. Real time tomorrow. I got swamped with a work emergency today and have not been able to check posts from the previous Day /Night cycle. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/35 "2017-03-01T03:37:03Z")
I think it’s clear that Koldanar has edited his PM. I’m not sure why. Is it because he’s scum and fake-claiming LUTHA? That seems like a risky thing to do, but it is certainly possible. The town has shown no inclination to lynch LUTHA, and at the time of his claim the mafia had only killed Sachertorte. Is it possible that Koldanar is either the Godfather or the Alpha wolf? And is more worried about being lynched than night killed because he has a 1-shot protection from NKs? Or is he LUTHA and there is something he’s hiding about LUTHA or about his role? I’m not sure I buy the re-director role. **Koldanar** , do you know what happens if you redirect someone like the seer? Do they know that they have been redirected? If the seer investigated Chronos and you redirected them to Hal, would the seer just get the result: scum, or would they get the result: Hal is scum. I can’t see how this is supposed to help LUTHA, not to mention town. There was also something odd in the [switch PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20018283&postcount=65): > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by NAF1138 > Knock knock knock > > There is someone at the door. It’s a delivery man! Sign here please. Thank you. > > You open up your package. > > Inside is a box with a label. The label says GLaDOS switch. The heck is a GLaDOS? \*\*It’s is absolutely not something that will help the Cult. Likely something that would kill you all. \*\* > > The switch is currently in the on position. You can toggle it if you like each Night. The next Night it will reset itself. Oh and there is also a note that there is another one of these out there. Huh. > > Have fun with your gift! It looks like the “kill you all” refers to the cult. It looks like this PM only would have gone to cult members. ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/36 "2017-03-01T06:33:07Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Don’t know if anyone else has played Portal 2, but this really sounds like it’s coming from GladOS aka Cookies in this game. Yes - GladOS is a potato for a while in Portal 2. Are you thinking this is a residual Cookies kill? ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/37 "2017-03-01T06:38:50Z")
Although something does seem fishy about **Koldanar’s** claim, I can’t help but think if it’s fake that he would have been more careful about it jiving with the other role descriptions. If you’re going to go to the trouble of attempting a fake role claim, you’re going to be meticulous about it’s wording. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/38 "2017-03-01T08:02:28Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I think it’s clear that Koldanar has edited his PM. I’m not sure why. > > Is it because he’s scum and fake-claiming LUTHA? That seems like a risky thing to do, but it is certainly possible. The town has shown no inclination to lynch LUTHA, and at the time of his claim the mafia had only killed Sachertorte. Is it possible that Koldanar is either the Godfather or the Alpha wolf? And is more worried about being lynched than night killed because he has a 1-shot protection from NKs? > > Or is he LUTHA and there is something he’s hiding about LUTHA or about his role? I’m not sure I buy the re-director role. **Koldanar** , do you know what happens if you redirect someone like the seer? Do they know that they have been redirected? If the seer investigated Chronos and you redirected them to Hal, would the seer just get the result: scum, or would they get the result: Hal is scum. I can’t see how this is supposed to help LUTHA, not to mention town. > > There was also something odd in the [switch PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20018283&postcount=65): > It looks like the “kill you all” refers to the cult. It looks like this PM only would have gone to cult members. 1. How is it “clear” that **Koldanar** has edited his PM? 2. It looks like **Crys** was also a Mafia kill 3. “It looks like this PM only would have gone to cult members” - I don’t understand your point here. According to Koldanar, it DID go to a cult member. I do agree that a redirection power is an odd thing to give the cult, and the way it has been used is a bit iffy. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/39 "2017-03-01T08:04:31Z")
NETA: just realised you said that “at the time of his claim the mafia had only killed Sachertorte”. Okay, disregard point 2 above. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/40 "2017-03-01T10:56:53Z")
Updated list **The Living** (22): 3. Biotop 6. bufftabby 7. Captain Klutz 13. [del]DaphneBlack[/del]Lakai 2 - [Not Mafia (Enderw24)] 17. Guiri 19. hawkeyeop 25. Johnny Bravo 27. Khameleon 28. Koldanar 30. LightFoot - [Not Mafia (Enderw24)] 32. MHaye - Watcher 33. Nanook of the North Shore 34. Nesta 37. Plumpudding 38. [del]Precambrian mollusk[/del]Cygnus 42 40. Raventhief 44. Scathach 46. sinjin 47. snfaulkner 50. Texcat 53. Total Lost 55. Zeriel **The Deceased** (33): 12. Dante G – ModKilled D1 –Vanilla Town 29. Lakai 1 – Lynched D1 - Vanilla Town 35. Normal Phase – Daykilled D1 - Investigative Journalist 45. septimus – Daykilled D1 - EMT - [Killed by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (MHaye)] 48. Suburban Plankton – Nightkiled N1 (1) Homicide Detective 9. Colby11 – Nightkilled N1 – Vanilla Town 5. brewha – Lynched D2 – Vanilla Town 8. Chronos – Daykilled D2 - Mason 15. Drain Bead - Nightkilled N2 - Leprechaun 41. Red Skeezix - Modkilled D3 - Vanilla Town 43. Sario – poofed D3 - Wizard 23. Idle Thoughts - Lynched D3 - Vanilla Town 26. jsgoddess - Daykilled D3 - Beta Wolf 51. Thing Fish - Daykilled D3 - Omega Wolf 1. AngeloftheNorth - Nightkilled N3 - Vanilla Town 2. Toejam - Nightkilled N3 - Doctor Seward - [Killed by Mafia Hitman Hal Briston (MHaye)] 3. DiggitCamara - Lynched D4 - Vanilla Town 4. Boozahol Squid, P.I. - Lynched D4 - Outrider 5. Pleonast - Daykilled D4 - Seer 6. BillMc - Nightkilled N4 - Whelp 7. Sunny Daze - Nightkilled N4 - Informant 8. Hockey Monkey - Nightkilled N4 - Consigliere - [Killed by Wolves (MHaye)] 9. Prof. Pepperwinkle - Lynched D5 - Vanilla Town 10. Sachertorte - Daykilled D5 - First Deacon 11. [del]Winston Smith[/del]Paulwhoisaghost - Nightkilled N5 - Vanilla Town - [Killed by Wolves (MHaye)] 12. Meeko - Modkilled D6 - Vanilla Town 13. Inner Stickler - Lynched D6 - Vanilla Town 14. Hoopy Frood - Daykilled D6 - alternative universe Batman 15. EnderW24 - Nightkilled N6 - Understudy (Investigative Journalist) 16. Hal Briston - Nightkilled N6 - Hitman 17. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies - Lynched D7 - SK 18. crys75 - Daykilled D7 - Cultist (Second) 19. HookerChemical– Nightkilled N7 – Vanilla Town _Alive:_\* Town (7 confirmable, 5 vanilla): A Townsperson x5 The Patsy - Miller The Watcher - Day and Night cycle wather - MHaye The Basement-Based Tinkerer - Night action, each only once: reset all switches to on; previous Day and Night watcher; block Consigliere and Omega Wolf for next Day-Night cycle. A Mason x3 The Zoning Inspector - Day roleblocker Cult (3): Pontiff - Every-other cycle redirector - Koldanar Other x2 Mafia (4): The Godfather - First kill of them will fail The Bodyguard - Night protect, but dies instead The Mook - One time use power of dead teammate The Enforcer - Roleblocker for following Day and Night Wolves (3): The Alpha Wolf - First kill of them will fail The Bloodhound - Day tracker The Trickster - Roleblicker for current Day and following Night - Claims included with a grain of salt. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068.md?page=3)