# Mafia Reunion: Day Eight **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 28, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068 "2017-02-28T22:07:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/121 "2017-03-04T04:29:11Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Day Eight begins here and will end at 3:00PM Eastern Standard Time on Sunday, March 4. . \*\*Which is it Sunday, or March 4th? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/122 "2017-03-04T04:31:31Z")
\*\*Day 8 Vote Count Fixed. Koldanar(2) - Scathach(13), johnnybravo(103) Zeriel(1) - Biotop(49), Texcat(1) - guiri(67), Nanook(1) - Lakai(73), Lakai(1) - Nanook(107), \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/123 "2017-03-04T04:32:50Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > \*\*Which is it Sunday, or March 4th? > \*\* **Sunday, March 5.** ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/124 "2017-03-04T05:35:28Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > unvote Khameleon > vote Koldanar > > I’m not going anywhere before EoD and I feel like this is a fine place to hang my vote for now. > > I will point out, and y’all may consider this niggling, that he **admitted to editing his role PM**. Yes, he says it was only to strengthen his claim, but he didn’t say so until people started commenting on how it looked weird. A lynch of a third party is a mislynch. Do you consider it plausible that he is actually scum trying a crazy gambit? Or do you think that LUTHA represents a threat that must be addressed now? Earlier toDay (post [63](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20036938&postcount=63)) I suggested that any other lutha deacons investigate Koldanar and report toMorrow. Why the desire to lynch him now? ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/125 "2017-03-04T06:17:47Z")
The masons cannot talk privately. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/126 "2017-03-04T08:58:41Z")
I’m a little confused. Did I read this wrong? It seems so obvious. **snfaulkner** and **Johnny Bravo** vote for **Khameleon** , so he pulls out a magic bag: > [@Khameleon](#): > > > [@snfaulkner](#): > > > > Have I not voted yet? crap! > > > > **Vote Khameleon** > > > > You seem like a nice person IRL, but i still think you are scum-scuminy scum-scuminy scum scum-miny. > > > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > > > **vote khameleon** > > > > I’ve made my case across multiple days. I still think, in my heart of hearts, that Koldanar edited his role PM but that’s not provable. > > Nope nope and nope, and an extra nope! I know this is meaningless, but trust me, you do not want to do this. > … The very next post is: > [@Khameleon](#): > > > [@Lakai](#): > > > > Looked into this some more, and apparently Hooker voted for Nanook on Day five. Who else voted for Nanook? Sachertorte. And what happened to Sachertorte? He was killed on Day five. > > > > Two people voted for Nanook. Two people are mysteriously murdered by the Mafia. > > > > Vote Nanook > > I _trust_ **Lakai’s** instincts here so I will place a vote now in case I can’t get back before EoD. > > **Vote Nanook** A magic bag, then immediately saying he _trusts_ **Lakai**. When I read this I was trying to remember if there was an investigative role he could be claiming, but we seem to be out of those, so a mason seemed much more likely. Why _trust_ another player, and be willing to state it so assuredly, if you don’t know they are town? So it was no surprise when he claimed: > [@Khameleon](#): > > I’m a mason. Not going to out my mates. It’s up to them if they want to confirm me, but I certainly don’t expect or advise them to. If it’s a false mason claim he won’t last long at all. What’s confusing is how everyone ignored that he outed **Lakai** with his _trust_. Maybe he didn’t mean it as the most obvious breadcrumb in mafia history, and maybe people are ignoring it so scum won’t notice it, but if it’s so obvious to me I don’t think scum could miss it. It’s even possible that he didn’t mean to imply that **Lakai** was a fellow mason, but he did that before officially claiming, and he italicized it and everything. **Nanook** , why are you voting for a probable mason? Did you miss the italics? > [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Well, barring a counterclaim, the only correct reaction to that claim is to believe it. Mason is just about the worst possible fake claim for scum to make, since it’s incredibly easy to counter claim and doesn’t really come with any upside that things like Detective fake claims can. We’re also at the point of the game where there’s no real upside to real Masons, if we assume the claim to be fake, need worry about not counter claiming. > > **Vote Lakai** > > You haven’t really contributed anything since you returned, and your vote Today was awful in a way I can’t just ignore. The original vote was based on bad reasoning, but I can sort of squint and see why Khameleon did it. But you have no such excuse for just piggy backing onto a bad vote. It feels like lazy scum just hopping onto what appears to be a convenient spot. If **Khameleon’s** claim should be trusted barring a counterclaim, then **Lakai** should also be trusted unless someone says otherwise. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > … > I can’t even be confident that there are Masons watching the thread close enough to respond/not respond to Khameleon’s claim! It’s frustrating. If **Khameleon** is false claiming mason, and there are three masons not keeping up, how do you see him surviving to end game? Any one of them could pop up at any time and counterclaim him, or worst case they could all be modkilled and then **Khameleon** would be outed. Why smudge a claimed mason like this? > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > … > So anyway, I decided to look back on Lakai since there’s at least been some volume of posts lately. I went back to Day 5 for no reason other than that I didn’t want to go back any further. > > Summary: Lakai has, as Nanook pointed out, contributed very little in the last few days. There are several questions and a fair number of fluff posts. Did you also miss **Khameleon’s** breadcrumb? Why look back at **Lakai** at this point, with the assumption he might be scum? I feel like I’ve stumbled into Bizzaro Mafia. Am I just punchdrunk after the RL week I’ve had? Someone please confirm that **Nanook** and **Johnny** are either missing the obvious or I am. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/127 "2017-03-04T09:04:20Z")
I know this has already been posted recently, but here’s my updated list: **Player list** **The Living** (21): 3. Biotop 6. bufftabby 7. Captain Klutz 13. [del]DaphneBlack[/del]Lakai 2 - [Not Mafia (Enderw24)] 17. Guiri 19. hawkeyeop 25. Johnny Bravo 27. Khameleon - Mason 28. Koldanar - “The Pontiff of the Cult of Lutha” 30. LightFoot - [Not Mafia (Enderw24)] 32. MHaye - Watcher 33. Nanook of the North Shore 34. nesta 37. Plumpudding 38. [del]Precambrian mollusk[/del]Cygnus 42 40. Raventhief 44. Scathach 46. sinjin 47. snfaulkner 50. Texcat 55. Zeriel **The Deceased** (34): 12. Dante G – ModKilled D1 –Vanilla Town 29. Lakai 1 – Lynched D1 - Vanilla Town 35. Normal Phase – Daykilled D1 - Investigative Journalist 45. septimus – Daykilled D1 - EMT - [Killed by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (MHaye)] 48. Suburban Plankton – Nightkiled N1 (1) Homicide Detective 9. Colby11 – Nightkilled N1 – Vanilla Town 5. brewha – Lynched D2 – Vanilla Town 8. Chronos – Daykilled D2 - Mason 15. Drain Bead - Nightkilled N2 - Leprechaun 41. Red Skeezix - Modkilled D3 - Vanilla Town 43. Sario – poofed D3 - Wizard 23. Idle Thoughts - Lynched D3 - Vanilla Town 26. jsgoddess - Daykilled D3 - Beta Wolf 51. Thing Fish - Daykilled D3 - Omega Wolf 1. AngeloftheNorth - Nightkilled N3 - Vanilla Town 2. Toejam - Nightkilled N3 - Doctor Seward - [Killed by Mafia Hitman Hal Briston (MHaye)] 3. DiggitCamara - Lynched D4 - Vanilla Town 4. Boozahol Squid, P.I. - Lynched D4 - Outrider 5. Pleonast - Daykilled D4 - Seer 6. BillMc - Nightkilled N4 - Whelp 7. Sunny Daze - Nightkilled N4 - Informant 8. Hockey Monkey - Nightkilled N4 - Consigliere - [Killed by Wolves (MHaye)] 9. Prof. Pepperwinkle - Lynched D5 - Vanilla Town 10. Sachertorte - Daykilled D5 - First Deacon 11. [del]Winston Smith[/del]Paulwhoisaghost - Nightkilled N5 - Vanilla Town - [Killed by Wolves (MHaye)] 12. Meeko - Modkilled D6 - Vanilla Town 13. Inner Stickler - Lynched D6 - Vanilla Town 14. Hoopy Frood - Daykilled D6 - alternative universe Batman 15. EnderW24 - Nightkilled N6 - Understudy (Investigative Journalist) 16. Hal Briston - Nightkilled N6 - Hitman 17. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies - Lynched D7 - GladOS - a serial Killer 18. crys75 - Daykilled D7 - Second Deacon 19. HookerChemical - Nightkilled N7 - Vanilla Town 20. Total Lost - Modkilled D8 - Vanilla Town **Alive:** Town (7 confirmable, 4 vanilla): A Townsperson x4 A Mason x3 The Watcher - Day and Night cycle watcher - MHaye The Patsy - Miller The Basement-Based Tinkerer - Night action, each only once: reset all switches to on; previous Day and Night watcher; block Consigliere and Omega Wolf for next Day-Night cycle. The Zoning Inspector - Day roleblocker Cult (3): Pontiff - Every-other cycle redirector - Koldanar Other x2 Mafia (4): The Godfather - First kill targeting them will fail The Bodyguard - Night protect, but dies instead The Mook - One time use power of dead teammate The Enforcer - Roleblocker for following Day and Night Wolves (3): The Alpha Wolf - First kill targeting them will fail The Bloodhound - Day tracker The Trickster - Roleblocker for current Day and following Night - Claims included with a grain of salt. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/128 "2017-03-04T12:32:15Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > A lynch of a third party is a mislynch. Do you consider it plausible that he is actually scum trying a crazy gambit? Or do you think that LUTHA represents a threat that must be addressed now? You know what? I’ve repeated my opinion on Koldanar and his claim so many goddamned times over the last few Days that I’m not going to repeat myself. > [@nesta](#): > > Did you also miss **Khameleon’s** breadcrumb? Why look back at **Lakai** at this point, with the assumption he might be scum? > > I feel like I’ve stumbled into Bizzaro Mafia. Am I just punchdrunk after the RL week I’ve had? Someone please confirm that **Nanook** and **Johnny** are either missing the obvious or I am. Yes, I noticed the italics. If Lakai would like to claim Mason, Lakai can claim Mason. If Khameleon would like to out Lakai, Khameleon can out Lakai. I’m not going to do it for him and why on earth would **you?** You basically just outed a player who may or may not have had a claim forced upon them because it was “so obvious” that it must have been noticed by scum? > [@nesta](#): > > Am I just punchdrunk after the RL week I’ve had? No. No, no, no, no. Here are your post-counts for each day. Day 1: Six posts. Day 2: Nine posts. Day 3: Four posts. Day 4: One post. Day 5: Three posts. Day 6: One post. Day 7: Three posts. Day 8: Two posts (thus far) I’m sure you had a rough week RL, but you’ve been avoiding this game for a LOT longer than that. You frankly should have been modkilled a long time ago. Today you pop in just to potentially out a Mason? I don’t know whether I believe Lakai is one or not, but **you** seem to believe it, and you’re shouting it from the rooftops. **unvote vote nesta** ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/129 "2017-03-04T14:15:07Z")
Hey peeps. I should get my vote out today, since I won’t have time tomorrow. I could revive my vote for TexCat again, but I’m not sure what she’s been up to the last weeks. Anyone have a short review of her they’d like to share? Anyone else wanna try to convince me to join in on their case? It’s not lazyness, I promise, I’m just swamped and have too much other things on the table right now. I’ll be less busy sometime next week, I think. I was kinda hoping to be eliminated before the 17th of Feb, as I knew I’d be way too busy to play properly. Sorry guys. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/130 "2017-03-04T15:57:34Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > > [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > > > A lynch of a third party is a mislynch. Do you consider it plausible that he is actually scum trying a crazy gambit? Or do you think that LUTHA represents a threat that must be addressed now? > > You know what? I’ve repeated my opinion on Koldanar and his claim so many goddamned times over the last few Days that I’m not going to repeat myself. Yes, you have repeatidly cast doubts on LUTHA, **Koldanar** being the most recent. **Captain Klutz** asks the key question, though, which I’m not sure you have ever really answered. Do you think **Koldanar** is scum false claiming cult, or do you think all the cult members so far have been lying about being non-exclusive? Remember, the point is to win. And to win town needs to kill the wolves and mafia. If cult is non-exclusive they count towards town’s win condition, and against scum’s. > [@Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/2): > > RULES AND REGULATIONS > \*\*Win Conditions > \*\*Win conditions will be checked in the following order every Dawn and every Dusk: > [ol] > [li]Town Wins! if all 14 Scum players are dead.[/li][li]Mafia Wins! if the total number of living Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Wolves.[/li][li]Wolves Win! if the total number of living Wolves is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Mafia.[/li][li]Third party win conditions are checked after checking all three of the above. Thus, a Town win supersedes an exclusive third party win even if both occur simultaneously.[/li][/ol] Town wins when _ **14 Scum** _ players are dead. Scum wins when either team is greater than 50% of the _ **population** _. **Johnny** , do you think the LUTHA wincon is non-exclusive? > [@](#): > > Yes, I noticed the italics. If Lakai would like to claim Mason, Lakai can claim Mason. If Khameleon would like to out Lakai, Khameleon can out Lakai. I’m not going to do it for him and why on earth would **you?** You basically just outed a player who may or may not have had a claim forced upon them because it was “so obvious” that it must have been noticed by scum? I didn’t out **Lakai** , **Khameleon** did. If you think scum missed such an obvious breadcrumb I don’t know what to say. _You_ noticed it, yet you went on to cast suspicion on him. What was your motivation there? Do you doubt **Khameleon’s** claim? > [@](#): > > > [@nesta](#): > > > > Am I just punchdrunk after the RL week I’ve had? > > No. No, no, no, no. No? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no? Needs more noes. > [@](#): > > Here are your post-counts for each day. > > Day 1: Six posts. > Day 2: Nine posts. > Day 3: Four posts. > Day 4: One post. > Day 5: Three posts. > Day 6: One post. > Day 7: Three posts. > Day 8: Two posts (thus far) > > I’m sure you had a rough week RL, but you’ve been avoiding this game for a LOT longer than that. You frankly should have been modkilled a long time ago. Today you pop in just to potentially out a Mason? > > I don’t know whether I believe Lakai is one or not, but **you** seem to believe it, and you’re shouting it from the rooftops. > > **unvote > vote nesta** Yes, it’s been a rough week. And I’ve had a lot of them during the course of the game. I’m sorry I even brought it up, but I’m sleep deprived and after catching up on the game last night I couldn’t believe the horrible play I was seeing. So much so I asked that others chime in to see if I was out in left field. I expected your vote. I’m an easy target due to my low participation, and you like easy targets. I shouldn’t have been modkilled, but thanks for that. My participation has been low, which is anti-game, and I feel bad that I signed up thinking I would make time for the game but have had a hard time doing so. On the other hand I think your participation, prolific as it is, has been anti-town. I haven’t decided if I think you’re scum or not, but you are hurting town and deserve to be called on it. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/131 "2017-03-04T16:13:57Z")
If Lakai wants to claim mason, or Khameleon wants to do it directly for him, then I’ll move my vote. I’m not going to assume an “obvious” breadcrumb actually is a breadcrumb in game where we’ve had vanilla town proclaiming exactly the same thing repeatedly. Remember paul and angel? Angel and like 5 other people? Remember all the meta discussion from 3-4 Days ago? Don’t assume it’s a tell rather than more of the same. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/132 "2017-03-04T16:24:56Z")
Unvote Nanook Vote Johnny Bravo I find Johnny’s behavior today very scummy. First, there is his vote for Koldanar, when it is the Town win condition to kill scum, not cult members. In his last post he mentions that Koldanar admitted to editing his role PM, but all Koldanar did was bold or underline a part of it. Nothing really deceitful to merit suspicion of covering up a hostile win condition. Then, after Khameleon claims, Johnny tries to cast doubt on her claim by saying he can’t be confident there are other masons watching. And then he does an analysis of my posts and says that Khameleon had an “egregious “me too” vote” on Nanook. I think after she claimed mason it should be pretty obvious why she made that vote. It seems like every post he makes is advocating an anti-town action. I think the cat’s out of the bag now and I should say that I am a mason and so is Khameleon. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/133 "2017-03-04T16:27:00Z")
Well glad to see all my medical shenanigans this week has not been a hindrance for you guys good luck puzzling it out Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/134 "2017-03-04T16:54:16Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > If Lakai wants to claim mason, or Khameleon wants to do it directly for him, then I’ll move my vote. I’m not going to assume an “obvious” breadcrumb actually is a breadcrumb in game where we’ve had vanilla town proclaiming exactly the same thing repeatedly. Remember paul and angel? Angel and like 5 other people? Remember all the meta discussion from 3-4 Days ago? Don’t assume it’s a tell rather than more of the same. On refresh I see that **Lakai** has claimed. Can you remind me what you referring to with “where we’ve had vanilla town proclaiming exactly the same thing repeatedly. Remember paul and angel? Angel and like 5 other people?” Are you referring to **Angel** with the 4000% (or whatever) statement that [I don’t remember who] was town? I’m not sure what you are referring to with **paul** , but he said a lot. What specifically was analogous to this situation? I hate to keep harping on the italics, but that’s more than vanilla town saying “I think this guy is town.” This situation here is very different. **Khameleon** clearly outed **Lakai** , while magic bagging mason. **Johnny Bravo** says he saw the breadcrumb. Did you? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/135 "2017-03-04T17:11:06Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > I find Johnny’s behavior today very scummy. First, there is his vote for Koldanar, when it is the Town win condition to kill scum, not cult members. I made it pretty clear that I would likely be changing my vote, but okay. > [@](#): > > Then, after Khameleon claims, Johnny tries to cast doubt on her claim by saying he can’t be confident there are other masons watching. I won’t apologize for being extraordinarily frustrated at the lack of play in this game. > [@](#): > > And then he does an analysis of my posts and says that Khameleon had an “egregious “me too” vote” on Nanook. I think after she claimed mason it should be pretty obvious why she made that vote. I was actually correcting Nanook here - you’re taking me way out of context. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/136 "2017-03-04T17:13:13Z")
> [@nesta](#): > > b]Captain Klutz\*\* asks the key question, though, which I’m not sure you have ever really answered. Do you think **Koldanar** is scum false claiming cult, or do you think all the cult members so far have been lying about being non-exclusive? I’ve answered that repeatedly. > [@](#): > > I expected your vote. I’m an easy target due to my low participation, and you like easy targets. Oh really? Prove it. Which easy targets have I gone after? ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/137 "2017-03-04T17:24:29Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I’ve answered that repeatedly. Can you answer it again? What are your current thoughts on the cult, and specifically **Koldanar**? Are they lying about being non-exclusive? Or is **Koldanar** lying and is threat in a different way? You’ve advocated lynching claimed cultists this whole game. Sum it up. Why should town concentrate on cult rather than scum? > [@](#): > > Oh really? Prove it. Which easy targets have I gone after? OK, I’ll take a look to confirm my memory that you’ve been going after the easy targets. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/138 "2017-03-04T17:48:42Z")
re-reading this Day I picked a few nits. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > :dubious: > > ~~ > > - If he’s a cultist then he can’t be trusted to always act in what he perceives to be town’s best interest. > ~~ > - If he’s a cultist then he’s not scum and their pool grows smaller. Even Town screws up what they perceive to be Town’s best interest. And the ‘numbers’ game has been hashed. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > If I want to lynch a cultist today, I’ll be voting for Koldanar since I’m pretty sure his claim has lies in it. But that doesn’t mean I’m not extremely interested in learning who the other cultists are. > > Anything that town learns is good for town. That’s the bottom line. No “OK and?” necessary. ## So you \*do \* believe he is a cultist- and since he is the only cultist you know you might lynch him. But you want to know who the others are. ( not very encouraging for them to claim there) And since this also a numbers game , not really pro Town smelling. > [@Scathach](#): > > Don’t know if anyone else has played Portal 2, but this really sounds like it’s coming from GladOS aka Cookies in this game. sure, but so? I don’t see it having to do with much. > [@Koldanar](#): > > Thanks, I was about to ask this, too! > ~~ You were about to ask \* yourself \* the same question? > [@Lakai](#): > > ```auto > Why did you pick LightFoot. Why did you think LightFoot would have a visitor? > > ``` Was this ever answered? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/139 "2017-03-04T17:49:48Z")
> [@Mafia Reunion: Day Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/219): > > That’s something I want to start to investigate when I get some time - the days where we lynched a townie with a large chunk of the voters, and mainly uncontested - who started up those cases? In this game, it seems like a good scum tactic would be to build a plausible case against anyone not on their scum team, and let others jump on board agreeing with it - I know I’ve been motivated by the cases others put together, if I can find something plausible in it. I remembered this post from yesterDay, I thought it was quite scummy, and thought to do a review of Cygnus, I’m quite convinced he’s scum. Take a look: - all bandwagon votes, on solid wagons: D3: 11th on Prof.P, D4: 13th on Diggit, D5: 13th on Prof.P, D6: 5th on Inner, 19th on Cookies - subbed in D2, 19 posts in total D2#1121 Just checking is, has been following all game (so no excuses about catching up) D2#1300 General comments, Johnny is townie, Cultists are harmless, Meeko is weird and this gem, which is the start of a trend, Promise #1: > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Two](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1300): > > Like others have said, looking closely into who all joined the brewha wagon would be a good place to start for D3. D3#52 Likes ToeJam as lynchee, comments on Drain’s suspects, Prof.P. also suspect: > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/52): > > Also we should keep in mind… **Drain Bead** was suspicious of a few people before getting killed in nondescript fashion - **TotalLost** , **BillMC** , and **ProfP**. So, he/she may have been on to something and struck a nerve. Also, all three of these were among the last to jump onto the \*\*brewha \*\*bandwagon, making a pretty safe vote at the time. D3#64 Comments on Sario’s death, too late to be a result of a Night power D3#68 Gloating about how quickly townies are falling > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/68): > > PS - Man, our blue power roles are droppin’ fast here. I don’t remember the ratio of vanilla to town powers, but it really seems like we’re losing a disproportionate number of them. D3#818 Happy with Idle lynch, votes Prof. P, mild suspicion of Bill, Promise #2: > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Three](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/818): > > BillMC - mild scum lean on this, not exactly sure why, have to review all the old posts again. I do recall the blanket throwing of suspicion on all the new subs though… D4#378 cult is harmless, still suspects Prof.P. Will look at Boozy or Diggit, or else revote Prof.P. Promise #3: > [@Mafia Reunion Day 4](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/378): > > I need to spend some time understanding the case on **Boozahol** , who has a comfortable lead in votes right now - and also understand the case on **DiggitCamara** , who’s approximately tied with Prof for 2nd place. > > I will ponder a little more before tossing up a vote. I’ll put my vote back on Prof P if I don’t see something more worthwhile after reviewing Boozahol and Diggit. I’ll definitely have a vote up before the End of Day though. D4#379 Comment about switches and giving scum more info D4#530 Does not vote Prof.P. again but votes Diggit over Boozy, simulpost with Sunny Daze, when it was apparently 11-11: > [@Mafia Reunion Day 4](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/530): > > I do get a more scummy vibe from him, and can follow that case a little better. The case against \*\*Boozahol \*\*seems to rely a bit on a personal meltdown, which may not be the best indicator. D4#582 Byes to dead peeps D5#16 Wonders if wolves had results on Mafia, to even the score, or got lucky. Assumes Bill was killed by Batman, Promise #4: > [@Mafia Reunion Day 5](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/16): > > I assume the dead BillMC is a result of Batman - I’ll have to review the roles to see what the other options might be. D5#18 Wolves can’t kill twice, maybe Whelp was protecting D5#353 Votes Prof.P., maybe Pleo theory is right, not sure where he stands on cultists now, since none have died, Promise #5: > [@Mafia Reunion Day 5](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/353): > > Aside from that, I hope to have some time this weekend to dig into the posts some more, and try to come up with a scum case. D5#481 Farewells to dead peeps, nice to see a cultist reveal, Promise #6: > [@Mafia Reunion Day 5](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-5/779271/481): > > So, time to dig in and find a new prime suspect - I’ll see if I can make sense out of some of the other cases people have brought up. I’m not so good at figuring out scum on my own, especially in this complicated game, but hopefully I can come up with something useful. D6#127 Byes, has been following along, case against Inner makes sense, votes Inner, Promise #7 (note the wording “come up with”, the same wording Boozy used): > [@Mafia Reunion Day 6](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-6/779855/127): > > I think I’ll have some time tomorrow to read up on Texcat and a couple other people, and see if I can come up with some new suspects. D6#195 Responds to vote from Klutz, defends vote on Diggit, hopes vote on Inner is good D7#217 Votes Cookies, doesn’t buy bomb idea, smudgy Promise #8: > [@Mafia Reunion: Day Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/219): > > That’s something I want to start to investigate when I get some time - the days where we lynched a townie with a large chunk of the voters, and mainly uncontested - who started up those cases? In this game, it seems like a good scum tactic would be to build a plausible case against anyone not on their scum team, and let others jump on board agreeing with it - I know I’ve been motivated by the cases others put together, if I can find something plausible in it. D8#45 wonders about NK choice, smudges Johnny for being alive, Promise #9: > [@Cygnus42](#): > > That said, I’ll try to ramp up this week, and find a way to add something helpful into the mix. D8#105 To Johnny, explains suspicion, but was wrong, Promise #10: > [@Cygnus42](#): > > I’m curious to see the reaction to the khameleon claim, and feel the need to review Hawkeye and Koldanar some more. Hawkeye has been getting low-level suspicion all game, so maybe there’s something to be found there. So, from here I see no scum hunting, lots of safe bandwagon votes, a life-saving vote on Boozy, some choice words about the game, lots of unfulfilled promises - some pot-stirring, some smudges, others possibly indicative of busy life, but little or no follow-up - all hollow posturing. I’ve a one off on Texcat, will move to Cygnus if this gets more traction. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/140 "2017-03-04T18:02:25Z")
> [@nesta](#): > > Can you answer it again? What are your current thoughts on the cult, and specifically **Koldanar**? Are they lying about being non-exclusive? Or is **Koldanar** lying and is threat in a different way? You’ve advocated lynching claimed cultists this whole game. Sum it up. Why should town concentrate on cult rather than scum? > > OK, I’ll take a look to confirm my memory that you’ve been going after the easy targets. Does this help? Johnny’s final votes by Day 1-Normal-Town 2-brewha-Town 3-Idle-Towm 4-boozie-wolf 5-Sach-cult 6-Inner-Town Note he was the very last vote on Boozie when it was a done deal so no real non-wolf cred there gleaned from SNF’s summary vote count post [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068.md?page=8)