# Mafia Reunion: Day Eight **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 28, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068 "2017-02-28T22:07:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/141 "2017-03-04T18:10:48Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Note he was the very last vote on Boozie when it was a done deal so no real non-wolf cred there Cred for voting a wolf or mafia loses value as the game progresses but this is wrong, he actually unvoted Diggit at 15-13 to force the tie which led to Boozy’s lynch - Boozy was safe at that point as he’d not reached the threshold and there were no more votes after that. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/142 "2017-03-04T18:44:45Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Cred for voting a wolf or mafia loses value as the game progresses but this is wrong, he actually unvoted Diggit at 15-13 to force the tie which led to Boozy’s lynch - Boozy was safe at that point as he’d not reached the threshold and there were no more votes after that. fair point- ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/143 "2017-03-04T18:57:14Z")
## \*\* Guiri \*\* I was doing the same research- it appears we hit some of the same high points I read something that pinged so I went back to look at \*\* Cygnus \*\* D2 suspects brewha voters need looked at D3 suspects Drain Bead voters-Total,Bill,Prof D3 ( votes Prof.) D4 wants to review Boozahol and Diggit still suspects Prof ( votes Diggit) D5 has to " review the roles" to see what may have killed Bill-thinks Batman is going to " try to come up with a scum case." “hopefully I can come up with something useful.” D6 “I think I’ll have some time tomorrow to read up on Texcat and a couple other people, and see if I can come up with some new suspects.” D7 "That’s something I want to start to investigate when I get some time " “I’ll try to ramp up this week, and find a way to add something helpful into the mix.” “feel the need to review Hawkeye and Koldanar some more” I didn’t see any follow ups \*\* Vote Cyngus\*\*. I almost forgot they were here. They may make the cut for MK attention but this is promise of content not real content that I am seeing ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/144 "2017-03-04T19:28:52Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Unvote Nanook > > Vote Johnny Bravo > > I find Johnny’s behavior today very scummy. First, there is his vote for Koldanar, when it is the Town win condition to kill scum, not cult members. In his last post he mentions that Koldanar admitted to editing his role PM, but all Koldanar did was bold or underline a part of it. Nothing really deceitful to merit suspicion of covering up a hostile win condition. > > Then, after Khameleon claims, Johnny tries to cast doubt on her claim by saying he can’t be confident there are other masons watching. > > And then he does an analysis of my posts and says that Khameleon had an “egregious “me too” vote” on Nanook. I think after she claimed mason it should be pretty obvious why she made that vote. > > It seems like every post he makes is advocating an anti-town action. > > I think the cat’s out of the bag now and I should say that I am a mason and so is Khameleon. There’s a couple players I want to take a closer look at, but there’s no way I’m going to be able to do that before this Day ends. So I’m going to follow an all-but-confirmed Mason here and **vote Johnny Bravo** I feel okay about this, as I’ve expressed my suspicions of and voted for **johnny bravo** previously, so this isn’t purely a Me Too vote by any means. I do wish we had a second vote toDay, because I do not trust the cult. But I think a sole lynch is wasted on the cult and advances known scum win conditions, whereas the cult win conditions are still unknown and may or may not be a threat. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/145 "2017-03-04T20:07:24Z")
**The Living** (21): [Removed claims, (17)] 1. Biotop 2. bufftabby 3. Captain Klutz 4. Guiri 5. hawkeyeop 6. Johnny Bravo 7. LightFoot - [Not Mafia (Enderw24)] 8. Nanook of the North Shore 9. nesta 10. Plumpudding 11. [del]Precambrian mollusk[/del]Cygnus 42 12. Raventhief 13. Scathach 14. sinjin 15. snfaulkner 16. Texcat 17. Zeriel I believe **MHaye** is the Watcher. A counter-claim could have come long ago if he wasn’t. I also believe **Khameleon’s** and **Lakai’s** claims to be masons. “Scum wouldn’t do that”, but no way would two out of a team of three or four do that when other masons could just counter claim. The fact that there hasn’t been a counter is good enough for me. I also believe **Koldanar** is LUTHA. Yes, there’s a question of his power being more verbose than those of the rest of the posted roles, and he could have saved some headache by posting his complete claim immediately, but as I look back at his gradual claim it seems cohesive. His claim was unforced, and again, “scum wouldn’t do that.” If there are five cultist anyone false claiming cultist would be up for a lynch if more than five claimed or were revealed at death. There are 7 scum in the 17 remaining unclaimed players. It’s almost 50/50. (OK, more like 40/60, but getting close.) A lot of you are scum. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/146 "2017-03-04T21:21:28Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > sure, but so? I don’t see it having to do with much. Well cookies had just been lynched, so if her role was being hinted in the colour as still killing people it seemed important to at least note. The mods cleared it up though that it was not referring to GladOS. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/147 "2017-03-04T21:22:59Z")
> [@nesta](#): > > I also believe **Koldanar** is LUTHA. Yes, there’s a question of his power being more verbose than those of the rest of the posted roles, and he could have saved some headache by posting his complete claim immediately, but as I look back at his gradual claim it seems cohesive. His claim was unforced, and again, “scum wouldn’t do that.” If there are five cultist anyone false claiming cultist would be up for a lynch if more than five claimed or were revealed at death. I’m voting Koldanar because I don’t believe he’s LUTHA. I’m iffy on the LUTHA in general because I’m not so sure I believe the wincon, but in his case I think he’s straight up lying about his role. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/148 "2017-03-04T21:26:42Z")
7 out of 17 now. What if we had a mass claim? That would add four more town roles (Patsy, Basement Tinker, Zoning Inspector, Mason) and two cult members. It would be 7 out of 11 then. Scum would start taking out the confirmed roles and will have to kill nine people in 4.5 Days before we run out of roles. The town would get to shoot in a barrel of 7 out 11 people for about four Days. The down side is that this lowers the chances of scum killing scum. It just lets scum take out confirmed town members and if the town doesn’t kill any scum in four days, we will be down to 3 wolves, 4 mafia, and four town. However, each scum faction still has incentive to kill the other faction even with a mass claim, so this might not be a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/149 "2017-03-04T22:40:15Z")
Lightfoot, I don’t think he qualifies for MK since he’s posting every cycle. Since it’s no longer a one-off… **Unvote** **Vote Cygnus** @Bufftabby, you voted Johnny back on D1 for his vote/attack on Meeko for posting in the N0 thread, and you seemed to be quite suspicious of the cultists yourself most of yesterDay, did anything else make Johnny suspicious to you? @Nesta, surely it’s 7/16? @Lakai, you mention the drawbacks, but it’s surely time for a claim, maybe toMorrow to be sure everyone is around and aware? Without a mass claim, there’s still one confirmable role and any counterclaim would have a 50-50 chance of lynching scum. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/150 "2017-03-04T23:45:36Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Lightfoot, I don’t think he qualifies for MK since he’s posting every cycle. Since it’s no longer a one-off… > > **Unvote** > > **Vote Cygnus** > > @Bufftabby, you voted Johnny back on D1 for his vote/attack on Meeko for posting in the N0 thread, and you seemed to be quite suspicious of the cultists yourself most of yesterDay, did anything else make Johnny suspicious to you? There was further discussion between he and I after that, which **Pleonast** touched on in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19929984&postcount=121). I also took issue with him in [D6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20009136&postcount=147). I think it’s pretty clear I’m still suspicious of the cultists, as I lamented not being able to use a second lynch on them today. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/151 "2017-03-04T23:55:45Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > There was further discussion between he and I after that, which **Pleonast** touched on in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19929984&postcount=121). That post is just Pleonast going back to our D1 argument. > [@](#): > > I also took issue with him in [D6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20009136&postcount=147). And that exchange is a rehashing of something I said back during N2. It’s also you saying that you agreed with Lightfoot, and Lightfoot and I managed to agree to disagree about that issue. If you really don’t have anything past N2 then, yeah, smells like a “me too” vote. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/152 "2017-03-04T23:58:50Z")
> [@nesta](#): > > Can you answer it again? What are your current thoughts on the cult, and specifically **Koldanar**? Are they lying about being non-exclusive? Or is **Koldanar** lying and is threat in a different way? You’ve advocated lynching claimed cultists this whole game. Sum it up. Why should town concentrate on cult rather than scum? > > … > > OK, I’ll take a look to confirm my memory that you’ve been going after the easy targets. Tell you what - I’ll reiterate my opinions on the cult (which are public record and not exactly lost to the sands of time) when you back up your claim that I like going after easy targets. ---
**Author:** ![Cygnus42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Cygnus42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cygnus42)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/153 "2017-03-05T00:05:18Z")
Greetings \*\*Guiri \*\*and \*\*Lightfoot \*\*- So - I get your concerns, and can’t fault you for them. But, in this case, you’re confusing scumminess for just being bad at Mafia. To be honest, I probably should have continued to sit this one out and watched from the sidelines - but, I was lured in by the need for subs early on. Just to be clear - I’m not scum, so lynching me doesn’t help us win. My scum-finding may not be helping us win either though…so I can’t really complain about the votes - I’d just like to not have the most of them at the end of the Day. My only strong sense of believing someone was scum, was **Prof P** - and that was based solely in how different he was playing vs. the first (and only) other game I played. That turned out to be wrong, of course, but I was at least consistent with it for a few Days. At this point, I have no strong feelings on anyone. I believe Koldanar’s claim, and consider the cultists mostly harmless, and I buy the mason claims. My best bet is to look more closely at the people that other experienced players have found suspicious over the course of the game. I kinda want to throw out a hail-mary vote on Johnny, as a scum hiding in plain sight, but I’m not even convinced about that. It seems like the scum don’t need to risk calling attention to themselves. I’ll re-read some more and put up a vote before the Day. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/154 "2017-03-05T00:15:08Z")
> [@Cygnus42](#): > > I kinda want to throw out a hail-mary vote on Johnny, as a scum hiding in plain sight Certainly not because I’m just behind you in the vote count, right? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cygnus42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Cygnus42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cygnus42)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/155 "2017-03-05T00:17:05Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Certainly not because I’m just behind you in the vote count, right? 😉 Heh…it’s a pretty tight race here…nobody with more than 2 votes yet? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/156 "2017-03-05T00:22:55Z")
For some reason I thought you had three on you. Looks like two, yeah. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/157 "2017-03-05T00:46:58Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Lightfoot, I don’t think he qualifies for MK since he’s posting every cycle. > > ~~ snipped That is what I was saying ( even though Mods have said you have to have content not just a post) It may count for content with the Mods but we can see that the ’ content’ is nothing but allusion. _my phrasing is often misunderstood_ ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/158 "2017-03-05T00:52:04Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > ~snipped~. It’s also you saying that you agreed with Lightfoot, and Lightfoot and I managed to agree to disagree about that issue. > > ```auto > > ``` Agreeing to disagree did not make you any less wrong. I just decided to quit beating the goat. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/159 "2017-03-05T01:07:57Z")
> [@Cygnus42](#): > > Greetings \*\*Guiri \*\*and \*\*Lightfoot \*\*- > > So - I get your concerns, and can’t fault you for them. But, in this case, you’re confusing scumminess for just being bad at Mafia. To be honest, I probably should have continued to sit this one out and watched from the sidelines - but, I was lured in by the need for subs early on. > > Just to be clear - I’m not scum, so lynching me doesn’t help us win. My scum-finding may not be helping us win either though…so I can’t really complain about the votes - I’d just like to not have the most of them at the end of the Day. > > My only strong sense of believing someone was scum, was **Prof P** - and that was based solely in how different he was playing vs. the first (and only) other game I played. That turned out to be wrong, of course, but I was at least consistent with it for a few Days. > > At this point, I have no strong feelings on anyone. I believe Koldanar’s claim, and consider the cultists mostly harmless, and I buy the mason claims. My best bet is to look more closely at the people that other experienced players have found suspicious over the course of the game. > > I kinda want to throw out a hail-mary vote on Johnny, as a scum hiding in plain sight, but I’m not even convinced about that. It seems like the scum don’t need to risk calling attention to themselves. > > I’ll re-read some more and put up a vote before the Day. So " you are not Scum" – compelling. You don’t claim Town either at this point. You thought Town Prof was Scum and want points for voting them until they were lynched. You don’t get a Scum vibe from anyone still alive.- and believe all the claims so far. You “kinda want to throw out a hail-mary vote on Johnny” but you don’t think he is Scum either And in this post you make 2 more ‘promises’ to add to the game. Your ‘defense’ post reads like a trip through a wringer washer- with hand wringing as well. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068/160 "2017-03-05T01:38:45Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @Nesta, surely it’s 7/16? I’m not sure I follow. Did I miss a claim? Or are you saying I shouldn’t include myself in the list? If that’s what you mean, I haven’t claimed, so as far as everyone else is concerned I’m part of the pool of potential scum. I guess I made it self referential by saying “a lot of you are scum”, and from my perspective it’s 7/16, but that post was more about pointing out the game state to the general audience. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eight/781068.md?page=9)