# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/201 "2017-01-09T06:17:36Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > @Hooker. Only 1 Patsy. And she should claim. OOG: Note to all: some American Irish folks call their little Patrick boyos Patsy. Sometimes the nickname lasts into adulthood. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/202 "2017-01-09T06:29:29Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > Oh, and I forgot to mention that given the scum ability to kill doctors by attacking the target they’re protecting, I think the patsy claiming would be a bad thing at this point. Otherwise, I’d be in agreement with it. I think those who are saying “patsy claiming on Day 1 is a good thing” were forgetting that there is no WIFOM. Either the Patsy gets attacked by scum and dies. Or the patsy gets attacked by scum and any and all protective roles that are protecting that character are dead. Seriously, this situation is bad for town. Just bad. It’s a no-brainer for scum to target the patsy. And because the scum kills occur in opposite halves of the daycycle (Hail Computer!), we could have both of these occur. The Mafia could target the Patsy during day and kill the protectors. And then the Wolves target by night and kill the Patsy (or if any protectors decide to protect yet again.) > > Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria! Why would the Patsy be attacked by scum? The Patsy is vanilla. Yes he/she is semi-confirmed but they have no power til end game. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/203 "2017-01-09T06:48:50Z")
I think the Patsy should not immediately claim. There is a reasonable chance of scum cross kills, but that chance greatly diminishes if there are obvious targets for them. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/204 "2017-01-09T06:57:20Z")
> [@Colby11](#): > > The other team=not the town team. Of course the fact that they are wolves and Mafia make things more complicated to explain, but meh. > > There seems to be a lot of roles just in the exposed roles (just read them over). Meanwhile, I get a stupid vote over three damn words. > > Really? Couldn’t you have come up with anything better? Maybe like I killed Dante or some other BS. **Colby’s** explanation looks reasonable. Interesting thing about apparent scum slips is that, while town and scum do them, scum react to them about 100% of the time. These are the Colby voters: **Texcat, Guiri, Septimus, Meeko, Toejam, Hockey Monkey, Lakai, Suburban Plankton** FOS to the lot of them. My vote is already on one them, so I’m happy with that. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/205 "2017-01-09T07:23:49Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I don’t know if I think it’s enough to vote for this early on Day One, but that’s a heck of a good catch there. Whatever about Colby’s phrasing, what’s your threshold or benchmark for an early Day 1 vote? Surely your threshold would increase as the Day progresses and there’s more evidence on the table. For someone with high standards, your only other post toDay was this: > [@Zeriel](#): > > Will it affect your mental state if I say I hate policy votes so much? > > Except for lists. I vote for anyone who makes a list, especially if it’s NAF. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/206 "2017-01-09T07:54:28Z")
> [@Colby11](#): > > The other team=not the town team. Of course the fact that they are wolves and Mafia make things more complicated to explain, but meh. > > There seems to be a lot of roles just in the exposed roles (just read them over). Meanwhile, I get a stupid vote over three damn words. > > Really? Couldn’t you have come up with anything better? Maybe like I killed Dante or some other BS. > [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > **Colby’s** explanation looks reasonable. Interesting thing about apparent scum slips is that, while town and scum do them, scum react to them about 100% of the time. > > These are the Colby voters: > **Texcat, Guiri, Septimus, Meeko, Toejam, Hockey Monkey, Lakai, Suburban Plankton** > > FOS to the lot of them. My vote is already on one them, so I’m happy with that. **I’m not buying the explanation.** I put down my reasoning in relatively lengthy post, for me, so far in this game. I’m kinda “there” for the moment, you know? In terms of Colby constructing this response post… I’m not moved… It seems to be hurried and perhaps most importantly, rehearsed. **Do we really end this discourse with a “Meh” ?** And if we do… Was that aspect of the post also talked about off board? A kinda … Sweetener to the deal? Is this the whistling that the ““nonchalant”” man must do? The guilty dog barking? I don’t think we will find better, frankly. Or are you actually back door claiming you did off Dante? **This just in, due to the wonders of ADHD:: Was Dante the Patsy?** **Captain** just reads as a scum mate spitting out talking points, after a coordinated explanation post draft from Colby. [[I should point out, I’m using scum to mean ““A non town team that these two are both members of, similarly aligned.””]] The multi-Fos ( **And I’ll point out You are using multiple hands for your fingers, at this point.** ) pings… Why do you have to name us? I don’t know the alignment of the other voters. I’d wager the voters represent multiple factions, just given the numbers. But I know this is a set up that **Captain** will return to. **For all these fingers, I look at it, and just see a sore thumb.** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/207 "2017-01-09T08:48:58Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > In regard to **Colby’s** apparent slip, I’ll wait until he explains what he meant. > > Also, I strongly suggest that everyone read the Night 0 thread. It was not just fluff, there was also discussion about the setup. Also, toward the end, people were posting with knowledge of their roles. > [@Colby11](#): > > The other team=not the town team. Of course the fact that they are wolves and Mafia make things more complicated to explain, but meh. > > There seems to be a lot of roles just in the exposed roles (just read them over). Meanwhile, I get a stupid vote over three damn words. > > Really? Couldn’t you have come up with anything better? Maybe like I killed Dante or some other BS. **Captain** you seem to be doing an awful amount of snuggling here. …or are you shooting “eye daggers” to **Colby** to return to base, so that you guys can regroup? Anyway, that. Just really…really stuck out at me, as I went to grab **Colby’s** again. **Colby** There seems to be a lot of roles just in the exposed roles (just read them over). Meanwhile, I get a stupid vote over three damn words. 😕 Uh. Why are these two lines together? **Distraction?** I mean, does our reading of the roles change what you have said? Does our reading of the roles change what everyone else has said? If you want us to go somewhere on the exposed roles [Am I reading too much in on the use of the word “Exposed” here?] can you help us out? … I mean, I think you can, obviously, given that I’m voting for you… But regardless, it’s still kinda abscent. Perhaps there really isn’t a better thread out there? You ask us to … in so many words, get off of you, but you don’t give us the opportunity. -Meeko, who is suffering from insomnia, and this is just one of the things gnawing at him, the others being OOG. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/208 "2017-01-09T10:51:31Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Or are you actually back door claiming you did off Dante? > **This just in, due to the wonders of ADHD:: Was Dante the Patsy?** But we know Dante was modkilled and was vanilla town:confused:😕 I’m actually inclined to give Colby the benefit of the doubt on this one, largely because it’s Colby and I feel like I’ve voted him for a “slip” that turned out not to be a slip in almost every game we’ve played together:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/209 "2017-01-09T12:32:11Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Why would the Patsy be attacked by scum? The Patsy is vanilla. Yes he/she is semi-confirmed but they have no power til end game. > [@](#): > > Welcome to the game; you are The Patsy. > > ALIGNMENT: Town > YOU WIN if at any checkpoint (Dawn or Dusk) all 14 Scum players (Wolves + Mafia) are dead. > > BACKGROUND: > Hi, Clemenza! Welcome to town! Glad you left organized crime behind you!. Hope you enjoyed being in the game preview! This isn’t anyone’s favorite role to have gotten, but someone always needs to be the patsy. We do not apologize. And if you don’t recognize the Clemenza reference… shame on you. Shame. (Note from Doug: I see what you did there). > > POWERS: > Well, you investigate as Scum if either the Seer or Homicide Detective target you (the Investigative Journalist will always receive accurate results regarding you). **However, if you are lynched (but NOT if you are killed by Day or Night), you may make one reciprocal kill at your own discretion.** On **Colby** : At first I found his slip suspect, but then I remembered it’s **Colby** … > [@Colby11](#): > > The other team=not the town team. Of course the fact that they are wolves and Mafia make things more complicated to explain, but meh. > > There seems to be a lot of roles just in the exposed roles (just read them over). Meanwhile, I get a stupid vote over three damn words. > > Really? Couldn’t you have come up with anything better? Maybe like I killed Dante or some other BS. I’ve seen this post before, well, a variant of it. And every time I’ve seen it he’s been town. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/210 "2017-01-09T12:50:24Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Except for lists. I vote for anyone who makes a list, especially if it’s NAF. :eek: Oh if we were playing on Giraffe Boards I would be throwing so many angry type smilies at you right now! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/211 "2017-01-09T13:02:32Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I’ve known Colby to parse his posts a bit…differently than I would have chosen. > [@Scathach](#): > > I’m actually inclined to give Colby the benefit of the doubt on this one, largely because it’s Colby and I feel like I’ve voted him for a “slip” that turned out not to be a slip in almost every game we’ve played together:smack: > [@Plumpudding](#): > > I’ve seen this post before, well, a variant of it. And every time I’ve seen it he’s been town. This is important, I don’t recall this in Colby but it’s been a while, does he really have a habit of being accused of making apparent scum slips as town? > [@Colby11](#): > > The other team=not the town team. Of course the fact that they are wolves and Mafia make things more complicated to explain, but meh. > [@Colby11](#): > > But it means that there is going to be a lot of carnage in this game. I think the fire is probably from the other team, or an arsonist. We do have 2 sets of scum in this game, so it’s safe to assume that each get a kill. “the other team, **or an arsonist** ” - if the other team=not the town team, is there an arsonist on the town team? @Plumpudding, this is your first and only post toDay? I get that Colby is the leader and you may feel the case is weak sauce, but is that it? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/212 "2017-01-09T13:03:37Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > But we know Dante was modkilled and was vanilla town:confused:😕 > > I’m actually inclined to give Colby the benefit of the doubt on this one, largely because it’s Colby and I feel like I’ve voted him for a “slip” that turned out not to be a slip in almost every game we’ve played together:smack: Have you never played with Meeko before? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/213 "2017-01-09T13:07:22Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Why would the Patsy be attacked by scum? The Patsy is vanilla. Yes he/she is semi-confirmed but they have no power til end game. Yeah, scum would have no good reason to kill a claimed Patsy instead of fishing around for the other scum team or Town power roles, unless they don’t believe the claim and think it’s really a scum player from the other side or a 3rd party, or if they think they might get a protector. If the Patsy claims, and I am neutral on that, I think it would be unwise for them to be protected. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/214 "2017-01-09T13:14:14Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @Plumpudding, this is your first and only post toDay? I get that Colby is the leader and you may feel the case is weak sauce, but is that it? I’m getting there, well somewhere, slowly. Vacation, booze, family, art… Maybe the airports will grant me lucidity. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/215 "2017-01-09T13:15:16Z")
The only reason for scum to kill off the patsy is to remove the revenge kill ability if a patsy is lynched. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/216 "2017-01-09T13:32:07Z")
> [@Colby11](#): > > > [@TexCat](#): > > > > _unvote: Normal > > vote: Colby > > \*\* > > Bolding mine, above. This phrasing really stood out for me. I would have said, I think the fire is probably from one of the scum teams, or an arsonist. But Colby says the other team_. It sure sounds like he’s on one of the scum teams to me. > > The other team=not the town team. Of course the fact that they are wolves and Mafia make things more complicated to explain, but meh. > > There seems to be a lot of roles just in the exposed roles (just read them over). Meanwhile, I get a stupid vote over three damn words. > > Really? Couldn’t you have come up with anything better? Maybe like I killed Dante or some other BS. But, it’s not three words. It’s those three words coupled with “or an arsonist” Like Guiri pointed out. You’ve got to admit that the wording looks suspicious. Calling the vote BS seems overly defensive to me. ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/217 "2017-01-09T13:52:32Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > OOG: Note to all: some American Irish folks call their little Patrick boyos Patsy. Sometimes the nickname lasts into adulthood. well that certainly wouldn’t happen on this side of the pond! erm, ok, my usual side of the pond, since I’m stateside at the moment before heading to the far east. ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/218 "2017-01-09T13:53:37Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Why would the Patsy be attacked by scum? The Patsy is vanilla. Yes he/she is semi-confirmed but they have no power til end game. We already have a 4 person masonary, the patsy could effectively make it 5. if the patsy claims, they could end up being a lightening road with watchers/protections/kills/whatever - it could get very messy ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/219 "2017-01-09T13:56:49Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Do we really end this discourse with a “Meh” ? Agreed - that is pretty much how Colby tried to meh out of Dante’s game when he was suspected as scum on day one. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/220 "2017-01-09T14:16:09Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > The only reason for scum to kill off the patsy is to remove the revenge kill ability if a patsy is lynched. Just by sheer numbers, it seems like the revenge kill is more likely to hit Town. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=12)