# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/261 "2017-01-09T21:05:55Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > It may not be scum, but it’s anti-town. There zero good reason to divert attention away from this thread, and there are extremely good reasons to keep each thread entirely self contained. Like bufftabby, I think his post was likely a mistake. Pleonast quoted Chronos’s Night 0 post and Meeko might not have caught that it was from a different thread. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/262 "2017-01-09T21:18:49Z")
> [@](#): > > [Quoth **sinjin**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19906550&postcount=202): > > Why would the Patsy be attacked by scum? The Patsy is vanilla. Yes he/she is semi-confirmed but they have no power til end game. Of course the Patsy has a power. E has basically the same power as a Mason: E can become confirmed (or at least, mostly-confirmed) by claiming. Now, there are a lot of other roles in this game that can do that, too, and who also have other powers, but being able to self-confirm is still a pretty significant power. > [@](#): > > [Quoth **Pleonast**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19907575&postcount=241): > > You’ve outlined the reasons why it can be helpful to discuss town roles. > > But do not forget the costs. Go read the scum boards of previous games. They carefully read through all the posts, looking for “power role” tells. It’s surprisingly easy for players to give small indications that they have a non-vanilla role. Small clues, maybe, but only very small ones, in a setup like this where the role PMs are public knowledge. Ordinarily, only the person with a role will know the fine details of the role (like whether the Doctor can self-protect, or whether the Detective gets role name or just alignment), but in this game, knowing those things just means that you’ve read the Google doc. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/263 "2017-01-09T21:32:04Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I’m of the Normal Phase school of thought on Scum slips. This one seemed fairly straightforward to me, and actually a bit town-leaning. If you’re town, literally everyone else is on “the other team”. If Colby turns out to be Town, there’s a lot of info to be gained on the early attempt to force a bandwagon here. It feels forced to me. There are a lot of “me, too” type of votes. > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Let us take a closer look then. Bandwagons can be very informative - at least when you know the alignment after the Day. > > So it looks like 3 votes from **TexCat, GuiriEnEspaña and septimus.** > And while no voting a “what was that” from 2 players: \*\*Total \*\*(me :)) and **BillMc**. > > So 5 players in this game can be called a bandwagon? I tend to disagree. > > I think we’re having a very interesting Day 1 - and a slip-vote is more solid to me than a policy-vote, a non-participant-vote or a lurker-vote. > > So far I am not voting - because I’d like to see **Colby’s** response to the votes and the phrasing. > > But to call this a bandwagon seem a bit dramatic to me ATM. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I’d look at the two non-voters who sort of FOSed the situation early. In a game with two Scum teams, I wouldn’t be shocked if those two were made up of one of each. Stoking the fire while trying not to get themselves burned. Are you referring to me and BillMc here - or who do you have in mind? It would be nice with names to later re-reads. Thanks in advance. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/264 "2017-01-09T21:33:05Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Hi Angel! > > **Unvote AngeloftheNorth** > Oh I do. > \*\* > Vote Boozahol Squid P. I.\*\* > > Since I’m now at the office (and thus sober), I think I’ve come to my senses about poke votes on the non participants this game, what with the mod murderkillingses. > > About the Colby fiasco, I see why there is heat on him, but I’m not sure I’m convinced by it yet. I’ve known Colby to parse his posts a bit…differently than I would have chosen. It doesn’t make him scum necessarily, but it does make him seem scummy more often than he actually is. So, as I read on, I see that a Colby bandwagon has formed. I am the first to admit that my eye is still on him/her, however this post is actually a better candidate for suspicion. I find that a defense of another player is usually given whenever the culprit actually has superior information about the other player. So, I will **unvote Colby** and **Vote snfaulkner** ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/265 "2017-01-09T21:33:40Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > for trying to turn an anthill into Everest. Just to be clear, you’re voting me because I **answered the question you directed at me?** ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/266 "2017-01-09T21:46:04Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > I’ve seen this post before, well, a variant of it. And every time I’ve seen it he’s been town. As such it would be a solid camouflage, assuming he’s aware of that pattern which pretty much nullifies it imho. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/267 "2017-01-09T21:52:51Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Just to be clear, you’re voting me because I **answered the question you directed at me?** No, of course not. That would make as little sense as casting suspicion on someone for posting in the wrong Day/Night thread. I FOS’ed you for your extremely flimsy suspicion, and your response sealed the deal for me. Your particular FOS read as a typical scummy “let’s throw out some specious suspicion and see what sticks” move. If it sticks, whoever actually casts the first vote gets hit with the questions if a faulty bandwagon forms. If it doesn’t stick, there’s no real tie to you later on. There are other FOSes floating around, but yours struck me as being extraordinarily flimsy, even for Day One. I think that was already pretty clearly where I was coming from, so trying to spin it that I’m voting you for “answering my question” is another example of what I’m seeing as some specious suspicions coming from you. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/268 "2017-01-09T22:00:06Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @Plumpudding, this is your first and only post toDay? I get that Colby is the leader and you may feel the case is weak sauce, but is that it? I agree. Even if you vote early, please comment on what we’re talking about. Doesn’t have to be digging up tons or quoting like crazy. But at least give us an indication on more that just who is to be Lynch-Of-The-Day. > [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Having pretty little to base anything on, I vote > > **Vote Colby11** > > The “very small base” comes from the possible slip in this post: seems to me that speaking about “the other team” might mean that Colby actually is on one of the scum teams. See my remark to the previous quote. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/269 "2017-01-09T22:10:56Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Hi Angel! > > **Unvote AngeloftheNorth** > Oh I do. > \*\* > Vote Boozahol Squid P. I.\*\* > > Since I’m now at the office (and thus sober), I think I’ve come to my senses about poke votes on the non participants this game, what with the mod murderkillingses. > > About the Colby fiasco, I see why there is heat on him, but I’m not sure I’m convinced by it yet. I’ve known Colby to parse his posts a bit…differently than I would have chosen. It doesn’t make him scum necessarily, but it does make him seem scummy more often than he actually is. Hi Nate! I hope we’re on the same team this game. (Which is to say that I don’t think using the word team is inherently scummy.) ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/270 "2017-01-09T22:14:50Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > @Hooker. Only 1 Patsy. And she should claim. What is a Patsy? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/271 "2017-01-09T22:19:26Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > **Colby’s** explanation looks reasonable. Interesting thing about apparent scum slips is that, while town and scum do them, scum react to them about 100% of the time. > > These are the Colby voters: > **Texcat, Guiri, Septimus, Meeko, Toejam, Hockey Monkey, Lakai, Suburban Plankton** > > FOS to the lot of them. My vote is already on one them, so I’m happy with that. I like your theory here but how do you adapt that to their being two scum teams? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/272 "2017-01-09T22:21:58Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > That seems somewhat asinine. Night Zero was very meta, and in a meta sense if the game’s not fair it’s not a worthwhile game. I also thought this original post was bs. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/273 "2017-01-09T22:22:55Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Although Colby’s possible slip is the biggest ping I’ve got right now, it’s very weak. Is the theory that he prepared a message on a scum board and copied it here without reviewing it? Unlikely. I’ve seen a few scum slips like this, but IIRC never from Colby. > > It’s anti-Town to bandwagon early on Day 1 for flimsy reasons — it can lead to a wasted Day — yet votes are piling onto Colby. I rather agree with: > … especially the\* later\* bandwagonning voters. To except myself 🙂 and despite that I don’t have a better suspect yet > **Unvote Colby11** > > Ah, you sound like the **Normal Phase** I enjoyed playing with years ago. 🙂 But I’ll say it: “Slip up is better than policy vote or poke vote or random vote!” I’m not sure about “other options” yet though. > > As for condemning Colby for three words, my moment of glory came a few years ago on this Board when I, as Scum, got Svejk Lynched in the ending for using a “subjunctive” word like “would” or “if.” Unfortunately in my two most recent games I was Townie in the ending and misguessed. In each case **AngeloftheNorth** was a fellow Townie pleading with me not to be so stupid. 😛 … Now I just hope this is not the Game where she is finally Scum leading me down the Primrose Path. This sounds weird to me. Unvote: Because bandwagons are anti-town? But still “Colby’s possible slip is the biggest ping I’ve got right now, it’s very weak.” A non-denial denail? Then: “Is the theory that he prepared a message on a scum board and copied it here without reviewing it? Unlikely.” You tell me - what was the ping to you?? Did you vote because there were other votes or because of that ping? The biggest ping, that seemed weak?! Followed with: “It’s anti-Town to bandwagon early on Day 1 for flimsy reasons — it can lead to a wasted Day — yet votes are piling onto Colby” Noooo? For real? A Day 1 bandwagon is a waste of Day if we stop analyzing and looking for information. But let’s not waste the Day. Let’s snuggle Normal and AngeloftheNorth and end the post with an anecdote on past games. I don’t like it: \*\* Vote septimus \*\* Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/274 "2017-01-09T22:26:17Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Although Colby’s possible slip is the biggest ping I’ve got right now, it’s very weak. Is the theory that he prepared a message on a scum board and copied it here without reviewing it? Unlikely. I’ve seen a few scum slips like this, but IIRC never from Colby. > > It’s anti-Town to bandwagon early on Day 1 for flimsy reasons — it can lead to a wasted Day — yet votes are piling onto Colby. I rather agree with: > … especially the\* later\* bandwagonning voters. To except myself 🙂 and despite that I don’t have a better suspect yet > **Unvote Colby11** > > Ah, you sound like the **Normal Phase** I enjoyed playing with years ago. 🙂 But I’ll say it: “Slip up is better than policy vote or poke vote or random vote!” I’m not sure about “other options” yet though. > > As for condemning Colby for three words, my moment of glory came a few years ago on this Board when I, as Scum, got Svejk Lynched in the ending for using a “subjunctive” word like “would” or “if.” Unfortunately in my two most recent games I was Townie in the ending and misguessed. In each case **AngeloftheNorth** was a fellow Townie pleading with me not to be so stupid. 😛 … Now I just hope this is not the Game where she is finally Scum leading me down the Primrose Path. Someday I will be, my friend, but not today. And I never think you’re stupid, just (occasionally) obdurate. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/275 "2017-01-09T22:27:38Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Ah. The entire Dante thing. > > Sure, let’s go back a step. > > :smack: > > I put in the hedge that my ADHD drove me to think that Dante was the patsy. **Did the mods switch out his role with another role, and that, the delay in doing so was evident in our Day 1 start time?** I won’t claim my ADHD on this line of reasoning. > > But, frankly, I find that I more “gut” or “intuition” than the next person. God forbid I try to out words on everything I feel or want to express… I’ll end up slaughtering my lunch online, and IRL OOG. I “whoosh” so often nowadays that my jokes and comments end up being “hit by a pitch” rather than a joke that connects with customers for a grand slam. … :eek: I’m using my metaphors again, aren’t I? Bad Meeko! > > Frankly. Bluntly, I’m playing pure Meeko. I’ve been made more than once for not playing Pure Meeko. To the scum teams demise. …““Do with that as you will””. 🆒 > > Or, I could actually be town for this game. All I’m saying is, my volume won’t diminish… Hey… What is that duct tape for? I’m feeling pretty good that this is town Meeko. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/276 "2017-01-09T22:32:26Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > You really think he intentionally posted in the wrong thread as some sort of distraction to the matters at hand? Occam leads me to believe that he accidentally posted in the thread of the post he was replying to. There’s no good reason to believe otherwise. > > **vote Johnny Bravo** > > for trying to turn an anthill into Everest. I concur with this reasoning. I’m still suspicious of Drain Bead, not assuaged by her commentary on Meeko, or I would consider moving my vote here. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/277 "2017-01-09T22:33:58Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > for trying to turn an anthill into Everest. Or a debate into a debacle? 😉 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/278 "2017-01-09T22:34:16Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > So, as I read on, I see that a Colby bandwagon has formed. I am the first to admit that my eye is still on him/her, however this post is actually a better candidate for suspicion. I find that a defense of another player is usually given whenever the culprit actually has superior information about the other player. So, I will > > **unvote Colby** > > and > > **Vote snfaulkner** Well, some people just do it as part of their play style. I do, and so does SNF. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/279 "2017-01-09T22:35:40Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > This sounds weird to me. > > Unvote: Because bandwagons are anti-town? But still “Colby’s possible slip is the biggest ping I’ve got right now, it’s very weak.” > A non-denial denail? > > Then: “Is the theory that he prepared a message on a scum board and copied it here without reviewing it? Unlikely.” > You tell me - what was the ping to you?? > Did you vote because there were other votes or because of that ping? The biggest ping, that seemed weak?! > > Followed with: “It’s anti-Town to bandwagon early on Day 1 for flimsy reasons — it can lead to a wasted Day — yet votes are piling onto Colby” > Noooo? For real? A Day 1 bandwagon is a waste of Day if we stop analyzing and looking for information. > > But let’s not waste the Day. > Let’s snuggle Normal and AngeloftheNorth and end the post with an anecdote on past games. > > I don’t like it: > > \*\* Vote septimus \*\* > > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Total Lost, have you ever played with Septimus before? ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/280 "2017-01-09T22:43:23Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Total Lost, have you ever played with Septimus before? I believe so. The name strike me as familiar. But I can’t recall a certain game. Why? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=15)