# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/481 "2017-01-11T05:29:37Z")
Okay, that’s just weird, but apparently I messed up something with the URLs to the individual posts. Weirdly, though, the URL to 345 lists itself as 345, event though it’s actually post 231. I seems that the “postcount” part of the URL labels a post whatever number you put in there. Anyway, 345 is really [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19909330&postcount=345) . ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/482 "2017-01-11T05:58:13Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > The number one rule of being a successful Scum is to do exactly the same things that you would do if you were Town…and we have a lot of very experienced players in this game… A few games ago I posted my “Agatha Christie” theory for Day 1. I posit that there is almost always at least one Scum amongst the very players who come off as the most likely to be Townie on Day 1. It’s not just saying the townie things either. It’s more than that. The play is just too good to detect early. I am willing to bet at least one of our aggressive, case-building, mega analysts is Scum this game. Several players have noted that the Scum have an easier time with three factions. Scum don’t have to make up a case that they know is false. They can Scum hunt just like everyone else. What we normally think of as a Scum tell—players not sincerely looking for Scum-- is less a factor here. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/483 "2017-01-11T06:05:10Z")
Posting from the ICU ( how scummy is that?) \*\* Angelofthenorth \*\* Even if you are vanilla cream pie, there are rules that may effect you.{ the multi lynch factor is one}, And if you have a power role there are other roles that may effect you-{like a protector can be killed just for doing their job}. Knowing these things will help you with your game . - of course, if you are Scum ignore this entire post \* ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/484 "2017-01-11T06:18:32Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Posting from the ICU ( how scummy is that?) > > \*\* Angelofthenorth \*\* > Even if you are vanilla cream pie, there are rules that may effect you.{ the multi lynch factor is one}, > And if you have a power role there are other roles that may effect you-{like a protector can be killed just for doing their job}. Knowing these things will help you with your game . > > - of course, if you are Scum ignore this entire post \* **Lightfoot** , she surely knows this. \*\*Angel \*\*is not some new kid on the block. I don’t know if her play so far is based on personal life issues or something else. But I have never seen her play careless. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/485 "2017-01-11T06:31:29Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > **Lightfoot** , she surely knows this. \*\*Angel \*\*is not some new kid on the block. I don’t know if her play so far is based on personal life issues or something else. But I have never seen her play careless. OK if that is the case then what in HADES is the reasoning of A: doing it and B: posting it? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/486 "2017-01-11T07:00:55Z")
Back in Post 391, Red Skeezix appears to have voted for Lakai, but messed up the formatting: > [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > 1. I need to read this on a real screen. Tapatalk is annoying. > > 2. The case on Colby is weak for such an early bandwagon . > > 3. Captain klutz’s “I’ve seen scum do this before so that means your scum” vote rankles me. Way too confident a tone for a day one vote. > > 4. Lakai looks like they were trying to sneak in early on a potential bandwagon. > > [bold] vote lakai[/bold] > > Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk **I don’t see this vote counted in the last official [Vote Count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19909578&postcount=356); is that because it was missed, or because it is not being counted on purpose?** ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/487 "2017-01-11T08:18:45Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > UUDDLRLRBA Start? > > TFTC, TNLNSL ? > > 😕 To save others a Google click, this seems to mean Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A [The code usually gives the player a full powerup or extra lives] Start ? Too frat to care; Took Nothing, Left Nothing, Signed Log ? BTW, the only Netspeak acronyms I know without Googling, AFAICR, (IANANK) are XXXOOO and HBD. I’m not even sure about LOL — is that Laughing Out Loud? … or Lots of Love? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/488 "2017-01-11T08:31:49Z")
I’m still suspicious of **Colby11** , but I’ll cast a vote for the other top suspect: **Vote Johnny Bravo** (Applications for explanation will be considered only if accompanied with clarification: _Is explanation intended to help assess Johnny’s Scummitude? Or my own?_) ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/489 "2017-01-11T11:09:27Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Yeah, it’s definitely just grammar this time, Colby’s phrasing is common. Thanks. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > One of the most famous lines in American speechifying uses this construction. > > “Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.” > > Unless… my god - JFK was a secret Communist the whole time! 😃 😃 I can honestly say, I did NOT ask out of disrespect for JFK! ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/490 "2017-01-11T11:17:21Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I ask others: _ **How many hours per day do/will you spend on this Game?** _ I spend 1-2 hours reading (mainly on my phone) and try to spend ½-1 hour posting (works best from the computer - but I tend to do it more often from my phone in this game than before) > [@septimus](#): > > I’m accused of inconsistency about Colby, so let me ask: _ **What is my Scum motive?** _ Do those voting me think Colby is my scum teammate? Or am I Scum seeking Town cred by jumping off the misLynch of a Townie? I don’t think either explanation makes sense. If Colby were NOT my Scum teammate, I’d be happy to let him fry: for one thing he might be on the other Scum team! Running the risk of having a MOD roll his eyes in the spoilers, I’d ask you: Are you familiar with NAFs theory about the 3. vote on a Townie? > [@septimus](#): > > The reality is opposite. I honestly think that early bandwagons are anti-Town. If there were two Lynch candidates about whom I felt equally, I might vote the one with fewer votes just to maximize information eventually gained. I’ve done this before (and also attracted suspicion for this before). I would like anyone doing this in this game to clearly post this before doing so. To me it opens up for a lot of confusion. Personally I prefer that players place the vote on the person they would rather see lynched. But we have very different playstyles, so I am not going to kid myself and believe that me not liking it will stop people from doing it… > [@septimus](#): > > In Mafia Reunion, End-of-Day comes at 3 AM my time, and _I will not be on-line to claim and avoid misLynch._ If you guys do decide to misLynch me please get your votes down early enough for me to respond. Are you soft-claiming powers here? ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/491 "2017-01-11T11:18:35Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I am not a good player, Town or Scum, _ **but there’s no way I would have made that attention-grabbing unvote if I were Scum!** _ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ So you believe that “Scum would never do that” has merit? ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/492 "2017-01-11T11:22:35Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > If you think Player A is likely to be Scum, then vote for Player A. If you don’t then don’t. By all means, base your decision in part on what other players are saying, but don’t base it on who other players are voting for. Not this early in the game, and not this early in the Day. As someone said upthread: votes are cheap, and you can change them all you want. As the game moves on, the most important source of information that the Town has is the voting record - if you don’t vote, then there’s no record. I like this. A lot. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/493 "2017-01-11T11:29:43Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Well, clearly I’m not trying to appear pro-town. (The night thread was completely overwhelming to me, and I will catch up when I can but it was a choice between diving in or giving up.) I read this as **AngeloftheNorth** saying that not reading the rules is plainly anti-town and that Scum would never do that and tell us about it. > [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Well, I just explained this in a previous post, but yeah, it’s more unaffected concern. It’s an easy vote on your part, though-- you’re voting me for being anti-town? **Do you really think scum would be admitting they hadn’t read the rules?** I could easily come in here and just make random comments and slide through. Bolding is mine. > [@Zeriel](#): > > Yeah, I do, because scum do things to appear townie. And this way, you have an pre-set-up “tee hee, I was just SO OVERWHELMED that I MISSED IT” defense to a play that might otherwise be a scum tell. It wouldn’t be the weirdest gambit I’ve seen (or used). I am moving my vote to **AngeloftheNorth** based on this. She shows up and post anti-townly that she hasn’t read the rules. When people ask about it, she says, that it’s so anti-town that Scum would never do that. Hence she is saying that the very fact that she did it and shared the information with us id prove of her townieness. Others have started that it’s not the playstyle they are used to see from her. And I am really getting a big ping here. **Unvote Septimus** \*\*Vote AngeloftheNorth \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/494 "2017-01-11T11:31:55Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > OK if that is the case then what in HADES is the reasoning of A: doing it and B: posting it? My point exactly. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/495 "2017-01-11T12:15:48Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Are you familiar with NAFs theory about the 3. vote on a Townie? … > > Personally I prefer that players place the vote on the person they would rather see lynched. Yes, I am familiar with the “3rd vote is likely Scum” idea _and believe it is valid._ I don’t know if the number 3 is magical; maybe in a game this size Scum are more likely to show up 4th or 5th or so. The fact that I was the “magic 3rd” vote on Colby may have flashed through my head when I voted — if so I paid it no attention. And I _did_ vote for who I thought was likely Scum, and removed my vote with an intended explanation of that. But thanks for removing your vote. **Normal Phase** also seemed satisfied with my explanation but IIRC didn’t remove her vote. ☹ > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > So you believe that “Scum would never do that” has merit? I may use that reasoning more than I should. :smack: But I wasn’t referring to the general case; I was referring to me. My behavior in this Game reeks of Townie Septie! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/496 "2017-01-11T12:27:58Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Yes, I am familiar with the “3rd vote is likely Scum” idea _and believe it is valid._ I don’t know if the number 3 is magical; maybe in a game this size Scum are more likely to show up 4th or 5th or so. The fact that I was the “magic 3rd” vote on Colby may have flashed through my head when I voted — if so I paid it no attention. As far as I recall NAF added to the theory later, stating that it only is an indication if the player with the 3. vote _ **isn’t** _ familiar with the theory. I tend to think that is right - and is less likely to put anything into it, if the player knows the theory. ---
**Author:** ![Colby11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e56c9b/32.png) [@Colby11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colby11)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/497 "2017-01-11T13:02:57Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > **Colby** , I would vote you for earworming me if I weren’t already voting for you. Now I have to go to bed and it will be playing over and over and I will wake up with it playing in the morning. Thanks a lot. Wake me up before you go-go Cause I’m not planning on going solo. Good song. Shame the lead singer died. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/498 "2017-01-11T13:26:55Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Johnny Bravo’s attack on Meeko is awful. Commenting in the wrong thread happens from time to time, it’s neither scummy not towny. Attacking someone for it however is scummy, since it’s an **easy out to vote someone that will pick up easy votes just by being himself.** Bolding is mine, and is explained below. This is the last time I’ll comment on this. 1. I said upthread that I don’t consider posting in the wrong thread to be scummy - I said it’s **anti-town** because it muddies the record. 2. Some people are making a much bigger deal of a FOS than I would have expected. I’m still not sorry for doing it. 3. Apparently part of the ire I’m drawing (bolding above) is because “Meeko’s gonna Meeko” is part of the meta for a bunch of you. Well, that’s not my meta and I reject it. I didn’t like that Meeko posted in the other thread. I said so. I said why, and I said why at the time. If some of y’all want to take that as poor Meeko being bullied by mean ol’ Johnny Bravo, that’s your malfunction and not mine. If you want to vote for someone who made far too big a deal out of it, go look back at my very first post about it, then look at the responses. I’m not the one who blew it up. In summary, you all have dumb faces. \<3, Johnny Bravo ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/499 "2017-01-11T13:56:20Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > As far as I recall NAF added to the theory later, stating that it only is an indication if the player with the 3. vote _ **isn’t** _ familiar with the theory. I tend to think that is right - and is less likely to put anything into it, if the player knows the theory. It’s not quite as strong an indicator, but the theory still holds. Putting the third or fourth or so vote onto a player moves the voting stage from the initial dance of voting and unvoting into a more serious consideration of someone. I think that switch is generally better for scum on the first few days, when we’re just mathematically likely to mislynch, because it provides all sorts of cover without requiring scum to go out on any limbs to frame someone new. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/500 "2017-01-11T14:11:42Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > (Applications for explanation will be considered only if accompanied with clarification: _Is explanation intended to help assess Johnny’s Scummitude? Or my own?_) Both, of course. Are you really trying to pretend you’re that ignorant of how the game works? Since when has it ever been acceptable to vote without giving reasons? Y’know, I had decided early that our habit of lynching the loud would hurt us even more in this game than it usually does, and that I’d vote for someone quiet (at least on early Days) to make up for it. So I’m leaving my vote on **jsgoddess** for now. But **septimus** , you’re really making me question that decision. **FOS septimus** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=26)