# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/501 "2017-01-11T14:16:15Z")
\*\* DAY ONE VOTE COUNT As a quick reminder - there are no powers, hidden or open, that can affect the vote count. If you see an apparent discrepancy, it’s the result of moderator error. colby11 (9 votes) - Texcat (91), Guiri (101), Meeko (130), ToeJam (132), Hockey Monkey (152), Lakai (154), Suburban Plankton (162), Hawkeye(350), Nanook(455) ToeJam (3 votes) -), Sunny Daze (113), Hooker Chemical (184), sinjin (200) septimus (6 votes) Enderw24 (243) , total lost (273), normal phase (322), Colby(335), Captain Klutz(347), Hoopy(480) Normal Phase (2 votes) - Johnny Bravo (36), Pleonast (241) Lakai (3 votes) - (inner Stickler 257, snfaulkner 295), RedSkeeziz(319) Angelofthenorth(2) - Zeriel(413), TotalLost(492) ## Johnny Bravo(2) (bufftabby 259), septimus(488) PLAYERS WITH 1 VOTE: Meeko (Drain Bead - 94), Drain Bead (Angel - 97), jsgoddess (Chronos - 183), hawkeyeop (Boozahol Squid PI - 188), , snfaulkner (diggitcamera 264), Prof. Pepperwinkle(1) - Plumpudding(472) Colby still up for the lynch if nothing changes. Still a few days to go. What a long opening Day! 🙂 \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/502 "2017-01-11T14:17:35Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Back in Post 391, Red Skeezix appears to have voted for Lakai, but messed up the formatting: > **I don’t see this vote counted in the last official [Vote Count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19909578&postcount=356); is that because it was missed, or because it is not being counted on purpose?** I counted that vote now, but it was missed since I scan for bolded votes. Yes, I am skimming and I guess that makes me scum. Seriously, though, do not count on votes being counted if they are not correctly formatted. I don’t, however, want anyone to be lynched because of simple errors. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/503 "2017-01-11T14:29:11Z")
Two people have made comments that have struck me as attempts not to be held responsible for their words because they hadn’t read the rules. The case against Colby has been done to death, and I do find his arsonist statement still weird. But it’s AngeloftheNorth whose comments are really sticking with me. Not one but two claims not to have read the rules and roles and a defensive claim that scum wouldn’t do that, along with another in a set of meta comments about how she and others play the game. Scum **would** do that. Scum would do anything. I think scum might be doing that. **Vote AngeloftheNorth.** ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/504 "2017-01-11T14:33:05Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\* > DAY ONE VOTE COUNT \*\* I count 34 votes so far. I think it would be nice if people not voting yet considers to do so soon. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/505 "2017-01-11T14:38:51Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Posting from the ICU ( how scummy is that?) > > \*\* Angelofthenorth \*\* > Even if you are vanilla cream pie, there are rules that may effect you.{ the multi lynch factor is one}, > And if you have a power role there are other roles that may effect you-{like a protector can be killed just for doing their job}. Knowing these things will help you with your game . > > - of course, if you are Scum ignore this entire post \* I hope all is okay (re ICU). I agree. Just because I haven’t read them yet doesn’t mean I’m never going to. The week has gotten away from me and I didn’t want to go MIA. I can only access this board from my phone at work so it requires remembering when I’m at home and not having forty fires (including a tiny literal one, last night) to put out. So I’m going to continue to post as I can and will read them at the first chance possible. I just really, really don’t like “you’re being anti-town” votes. I think it’s one of the easiest mainstream scum strategies. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/506 "2017-01-11T14:40:54Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I read this as **AngeloftheNorth** saying that not reading the rules is plainly anti-town and that Scum would never do that and tell us about it. > > Bolding is mine. > > I am moving my vote to **AngeloftheNorth** based on this. > > She shows up and post anti-townly that she hasn’t read the rules. When people ask about it, she says, that it’s so anti-town that Scum would never do that. Hence she is saying that the very fact that she did it and shared the information with us id prove of her townieness. > > Others have started that it’s not the playstyle they are used to see from her. And I am really getting a big ping here. > > **Unvote Septimus** > \*\*Vote AngeloftheNorth \*\* Who states that it wasn’t my usual play style? I’m asking because I saw no such thing. It’s true it’s not my usual play style, but the usual games I play don’t have 50+ people in them. My usual play style doesn’t work in this setup. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/507 "2017-01-11T14:43:17Z")
**Mahaloth,** you’ve got **TotalLost** voting twice: once for **AngeloftheNorth** and once for **septimus**. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/508 "2017-01-11T14:51:54Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Two people have made comments that have struck me as attempts not to be held responsible for their words because they hadn’t read the rules. The case against Colby has been done to death, and I do find his arsonist statement still weird. > > But it’s AngeloftheNorth whose comments are really sticking with me. Not one but two claims not to have read the rules and roles and a defensive claim that scum wouldn’t do that, along with another in a set of meta comments about how she and others play the game. > > Scum **would** do that. Scum would do anything. I think scum might be doing that. > **Vote AngeloftheNorth.** For the record, “scum would do anything” is the worst town strategy possible in my book. It sounds good on paper but in practice it’s an excuse to make an easy vote. Scum _will_ do anything, under the right circumstances, which is to say when there is a need to do it. On Day One with 50+ people in the game there is absolutely no need for a scum me to call attention to myself by repeatedly saying I haven’t read the rules. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/509 "2017-01-11T14:53:08Z")
Corrected vote count. In purple. Because apparently we mods love accent colors. \*\* DAY ONE VOTE COUNT As a quick reminder - there are no powers, hidden or open, that can affect the vote count. If you see an apparent discrepancy, it’s the result of moderator error. colby11 (9 votes) - Texcat (91), Guiri (101), Meeko (130), ToeJam (132), Hockey Monkey (152), Lakai (154), Suburban Plankton (162), Hawkeye(350), Nanook(455) ToeJam (3 votes) -), Sunny Daze (113), Hooker Chemical (184), sinjin (200) septimus (5 votes) Enderw24 (243), normal phase (322), Colby(335), Captain Klutz(347), Hoopy(480) Normal Phase (2 votes) - Johnny Bravo (36), Pleonast (241) Lakai (3 votes) - (inner Stickler 257, snfaulkner 295), RedSkeeziz(319) Angelofthenorth(2) - Zeriel(413), TotalLost(492) ## Johnny Bravo(2) (bufftabby 259), septimus(488) PLAYERS WITH 1 VOTE: Meeko (Drain Bead - 94), Drain Bead (Angel - 97), jsgoddess (Chronos - 183), hawkeyeop (Boozahol Squid PI - 188), , snfaulkner (diggitcamera 264), Prof. Pepperwinkle(1) - Plumpudding(472) Colby still up for the lynch if nothing changes. Still a few days to go. What a long opening Day! 🙂 \*\* ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/510 "2017-01-11T14:55:27Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > To save others a Google click, this seems to mean > Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A [The code usually gives the player a full powerup or extra lives] Start ? > > [del]Too frat to care[/del] Thanks for the cache; Took Nothing, Left Nothing, Signed Log ? > > BTW, the only Netspeak acronyms I know without Googling, AFAICR, (IANANK) are XXXOOO and HBD. I’m not even sure about LOL — is that Laughing Out Loud? … or Lots of Love? FTFY (Fixed that for you.) Second line is from geocaching, remember Meeko’s racoon avatar? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/511 "2017-01-11T14:57:03Z")
I don’t have time to do a post-by-post reply, so I’ll simply comment on some players, in no particular order. **colby11** : I’ve voted for slips in the past, but I don’t see the scum motivation in their posts here. I can’t really complain about the votes here, though. **Johnny Bravo** : the votes here do bother me. I can’t see any validity for these votes. **septimus** : I was undecided about them until I noticed their vote on **Bravo**. I still have to decide if the other cases here are valid, but I’m happy to put my counted vote here for now. **Meeko** : I don’t know what happened, but I’m getting a Townie vibe here. Probably means they’re not Town, but I have no case to make. My votes again. **unvote** **vote septimus** for a lousy vote in D1.488. **vote bufftabby** for a lousy vote in D1.259. **vote Normal Phase** for daring us to vote for them in D1.27. **vote Chronos** for snuggling up to **Meeko** in D0.442. **vote Scathach** for scolding a player for being a “helpful townie” in D1.35. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/512 "2017-01-11T15:11:14Z")
Pleo, I had a question for you. Please answer it before the day ends, please and thank you. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/513 "2017-01-11T15:11:54Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > For the record, “scum would do anything” is the worst town strategy possible in my book. It sounds good on paper but in practice it’s an excuse to make an easy vote. > > Scum _will_ do anything, under the right circumstances, which is to say when there is a need to do it. On Day One with 50+ people in the game there is absolutely no need for a scum me to call attention to myself by repeatedly saying I haven’t read the rules. Well, it’s allowing you to post without being on the hook for saying things that don’t fit. If someone asks you for substance, you just point to your lack of reading the rules/roles. It’s pretty good cover when you get called on it. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/514 "2017-01-11T15:25:06Z")
This one? > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > @Pleonast – you keep talking about how we she discuss the scum roles instead of the town ones, but I haven’t seen you set a model for doing this yet. How would you envision this to take place? I mean, I read your last post and it looks perfectly reasonable right up until the point where I try to think how I would go about doing this, and I just draw a blank. I have every interest in helping townies to play the game in the way I think would be most beneficial to us to win. I don’t have the slightest interest in helping wolves to do the same, nor would any other townie, obviously. > > So given it’s not a matter of discussing how best to use the scum roles, what is left? Warnings? Like if scum had a watcher or a redirector then certain night actions or certain claims might be problematic, but they don’t have roles like that. And even if they did, we’d still be saying what we want town roles to do. > > I’m drawing a complete blank. What exactly did you have in mind, such that I can believe that all your seemingly well-intentioned words on this topic aren’t just hot air? I thought I already addressed it: > [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > > > Yes, absolutely this. Nobody has really been talking about the impact of the Hitman/Outrider roles, which will force protective roles to consider their own safety when deciding how to use their power. If there is only one claimed power role going into a Night or Day phase, it would be very risky for a doc to protect that player. > > > > Obligatory disclaimer that all Town power roles should play their roles as they see fit, BUT… since Town has both Day and Night docs, seems like it would be wisest for the 7-shot protector Wizard to hold off until one of the other docs die, so that the Wizard can cover the phase that the late Doc worked in. > > This is exactly the kind of discussion we need to be having. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/515 "2017-01-11T15:45:32Z")
**Pleonast** , to be clear, your objection to me re: **Meeko** is that you don’t like me making allowances for a player playing according to their usual style, is that right? Because me doing that is also the only reason I’ve stopped harping on you about your anti-Town habit of always claiming Day 1. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/516 "2017-01-11T15:52:01Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Well, it’s allowing you to post without being on the hook for saying things that don’t fit. If someone asks you for substance, you just point to your lack of reading the rules/roles. It’s pretty good cover when you get called on it. Who’s asking me for substance? I haven’t seen a single post asking my my opinion on anything. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/517 "2017-01-11T16:01:51Z")
Why do you need someone to ask you for substance? With this many people, everyone should be taking it upon themselves to provide substance. There’s too much to hand hold others. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/518 "2017-01-11T16:12:32Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **Pleonast** , to be clear, your objection to me re: **Meeko** is that you don’t like me making allowances for a player playing according to their usual style, is that right? Because me doing that is also the only reason I’ve stopped harping on you about your anti-Town habit of always claiming Day 1. Your post (D0.442) about **Meeko** feels like it’s primarily motivated to dissuade them from attacking you. Also, I don’t really like players bringing up previous games. Grudges are bad, even if the “grudge” is not negative. If you feel my actions are anti-Town, then so be it. Harp upon them, if you wish. I don’t think they are, obviously, and discussing different approaches to the game is fun. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/519 "2017-01-11T16:13:54Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Why do you need someone to ask you for substance? With this many people, everyone should be taking it upon themselves to provide substance. There’s too much to hand hold others. I don’t need anyone to ask me for substance. She’s justifying her vote for me with “if someone asks you for substance you can use not reading the rules as justification for not providing it.” I’m pointing out that I think her vote on me is BS because this is a purely hypothetical justification. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/520 "2017-01-11T16:23:50Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > **Lightfoot** , she surely knows this. \*\*Angel \*\*is not some new kid on the block. I don’t know if her play so far is based on personal life issues or something else. But I have never seen her play careless. Oh, this must be the post Total Lost was referring to saying this is not my usual play style? Biotop, were you stating this as suspicion of me? My usual play style is completely ineffective in a game with 50+ people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=27)