# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/581 "2017-01-11T21:15:59Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I think they are bullshit because I think the people making the arguments know this is how Septimus acts. And what makes you think this? Do you think I know this? I’ve never played with him before, that I can recall. I did kibitz a few games he played in, but I really wasn’t paying all that much attention to most individual posters. And if you’re sure this is how townie septimus acts, how is this different from scummy septimus. How does scummy septimus act? You seem to be the expert on it, so enlighten me. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/582 "2017-01-11T21:19:38Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Can I be the unemployed cousin who shows up halfway through dinner with a mostly empty bucket of fried chicken and ends up in a shouting match grandma? Is he the same guy who goes to pot lucks with a bag pre-popped commercial bought popcorn? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/583 "2017-01-11T21:21:49Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > And what makes you think this? Do you think I know this? I’ve never played with him before, that I can recall. I did kibitz a few games he played in, but I really wasn’t paying all that much attention to most individual posters. > > And if you’re sure this is how townie septimus acts, how is this different from scummy septimus. How does scummy septimus act? You seem to be the expert on it, so enlighten me. I’m not suspicious of you, I think you’re genuinely tying to solve the game. Scum Septimus is very cautious, he watches his words and posts carefully. In fact he usually writes long posts and has his scum team check them for acceptability before posting. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/584 "2017-01-11T21:27:14Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **Pleonast** , to be clear, your objection to me re: **Meeko** is that you don’t like me making allowances for a player playing according to their usual style, is that right? Because me doing that is also the only reason I’ve stopped harping on you about your anti-Town habit of always claiming Day 1. Can I be so egotistical as to state I think it’s simply because you dared to mention me in front of Pleonast? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/585 "2017-01-11T21:27:49Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > A few odds and ends here. Filtered through my IRL feelings. ((I’m moving back in with my parents. I had, and lost three jobs in 2016. I lost a job of 4.5 years at the end of 2015.)) > **I’m a bit introspective at the moment. This will probably be tertiary to the game at best, fluff and outright OOG at best.** > > That said, and to further my response to **Drain Bead** I’m going to “go there”. I firmly believe that I can dissect **Alcohol Squid** here and make a few general Mafia points. **I won’t get there on my own. I’m asking for opinion.** > > “”… The bad guys can ignore the context and just play however they’d like because they’re not seeking information.“” > > I get the theory here. I differ at what Scum can and do with the context. **After all, isn’t ignoring context the same as Skimming? Isn’t Skimming A top five scum tell?** > > I think it’s more a Bruce Lee thing, paraphrased:: ““respect the rules, while not being bound to them””. I’d wager power role town could seek similar benefit, subscribing to this belief. > > I don’t think scum ignore context as much as you are making it out to be here. > > – > > “”… I don’t know what it means that you’ve decided to use your magic faerie wand to say that Ulla’s not scum.“” > > The full meaning of Magic Bag escapes me at the moment, suffice that it was more personal, to the self, claiming in a vauge sense. I want to associate your faerie wand with a magic bag claim. … Is there a connection here? > > – > > “…I can’t figure it out with the information at hand, so it’s irrelevant to me.” > > Wow. > > At once, I feel the “Old” Meeko wanting to attack you here. … More reserved, I look inward. [[When we see a man of contrary character, we should look inward, and examine ourself. -Confuscious (Yeah, philosophy and spirituality searching is real deep shit.)]] > > I can’t go here with you. My key issue is with “irrelevance”". A Discarded, disposed irrelevance? Or, a “please sir, let me check your coat for you” irrelevance? At what point in time do you come back to this, and is it an absolute that additional information becomes present before doing so? … If my thoughts were real, and our games were also,real… I would own a circut track of floor space, from my mental pacing. ((Rumination, if I am brutally honest here. :(😃 )) > > The old me … And perhaps still me at present, would work on a point long after others and common sense have stopped. There is obviously a line of thought here, that would benefit me. I could fill my tank with it… But as for most things in then space, for me on a personal level, it’s not a matter of tank capacity … I flat out do not have the tank at all to begin with. I see the treasure, I don’t have the hands to grasp it. > > * * * > > The second part, is more what I intended to get to, before I opened up, frankly. … And admittedly it’s meta. I’ve lost most of my train of thought on this one… Except the overarching question. > > Does “birth order” and or being an only child affect Mafia play? > > “”…and having votes being placed on me as scum is a lot more concerning.“” > > I feel, perhaps the same level of concern if votes are placed on me as town. As **Chronos** pointed out, I have in the past done everything I could to confirm my town status. … And if you spare me the rationale… I wonder if birth order ((Or indeed, being an only child)) plays in here, to color my perspective. … It all falls on me to get what I want done… There is no other … Group of authority (By consensus, “mob” or otherwise) to achieve my agenda, if I go under… I can’t count on siblings to forward my goals. Perhaps I equate the lynch as parental control… I don’t know. This is fast transitioning to from a ““move”” in Mafia into a session where my time is up for the day… And as I said, I’ve lost where I was going on this particular point, as I started… > > -Meeko, who is debating if this fulfills his group therapy obligations… [[Not that he actually has any, at present.]] I find the parts that he deemed “irrelevant” to correspond exactly with the parts that he misrepresented or made up. I agree with you that scum can’t afford to ignore context, particularly in this game when there are two scum teams. (If you’re Mafia you’re going to want to see how the wolves can gain the upper hand, and vice versa.) And I’m fighting so hard for three reasons, non of which are me being any type of scum: 1. We’re down one town already and with two scum teams I’m concerned about our numbers. 2. I pride myself on my scum game, and what I’m being accused of would be really, really crappy scum play. (It may be crappy town play too but that doesn’t bother my ego.) 3. I feel like I’m being gaslit by his willful disregard of everything I’m actually saying. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/586 "2017-01-11T21:31:05Z")
Angel, it seems to me that you could have just read the rules. It would take about one-tenth the amount of time you’ve spent arguing about it. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/587 "2017-01-11T21:31:44Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Bolding is mine, and is explained below. > > This is the last time I’ll comment on this. > > 1. I said upthread that I don’t consider posting in the wrong thread to be scummy - I said it’s **anti-town** because it muddies the record. > > 2. Some people are making a much bigger deal of a FOS than I would have expected. I’m still not sorry for doing it. > > 3. Apparently part of the ire I’m drawing (bolding above) is because “Meeko’s gonna Meeko” is part of the meta for a bunch of you. Well, that’s not my meta and I reject it. > > I didn’t like that Meeko posted in the other thread. I said so. I said why, and I said why at the time. If some of y’all want to take that as poor Meeko being bullied by mean ol’ Johnny Bravo, that’s your malfunction and not mine. > > If you want to vote for someone who made far too big a deal out of it, go look back at my very first post about it, then look at the responses. I’m not the one who blew it up. > > In summary, you all have dumb faces. > \<3, Johnny Bravo Take this how you want, but I feel you vote Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/588 "2017-01-11T21:36:01Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I find the parts that he deemed “irrelevant” to correspond exactly with the parts that he misrepresented or made up. > > I agree with you that scum can’t afford to ignore context, particularly in this game when there are two scum teams. (If you’re Mafia you’re going to want to see how the wolves can gain the upper hand, and vice versa.) > > And I’m fighting so hard for three reasons, non of which are me being any type of scum: > > 1. We’re down one town already and with two scum teams I’m concerned about our numbers. > 2. I pride myself on my scum game, and what I’m being accused of would be really, really crappy scum play. (It may be crappy town play too but that doesn’t bother my ego.) > 3. I feel like I’m being gaslit by his willful disregard of everything I’m actually saying. Who is the He, here? Squid? Because a part of me feels I’m the target of your “He”. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/589 "2017-01-11T21:38:24Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Angel, it seems to me that you could have just read the rules. It would take about one-tenth the amount of time you’ve spent arguing about it. I would have done by now had I been able to find them. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/590 "2017-01-11T21:39:29Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Who is the He, here? Squid? Because a part of me feels I’m the target of your “He”. You’re not the target at all. I was speaking to you but in reference to Boozahol Squid. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/591 "2017-01-11T21:39:47Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > In Mafia Reunion, End-of-Day comes at 3 AM my time, and _I will not be on-line to claim and avoid misLynch._ If you guys do decide to misLynch me please get your votes down early enough for me to respond. I assume you missed this on your first read! > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Are you soft-claiming powers here? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/592 "2017-01-11T21:44:24Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I would have done by now had I been able to find them. > [@Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/2): > > RULES AND REGULATIONS > > **Basic Setup** > > [ol] > [li]This is a semi-open setup. All of the Town and Scum roles and win conditions will be public knowledge at the beginning of the game. Importantly, there are no secret or hidden elements to any Town or Scum role powers or win conditions. There may be secret or hidden game mechanics known to individual Town or Scum players that are not public knowledge.[/li][li]All third party roles are closed. However, the rules shown here are absolute in all cases; no hidden element will contradict or supersede anything explicitly stated in the rules.[/li][li]Some third party players may have exclusive win conditions (ie, win conditions that preclude Town and/or Scum wins), while others may be nonexclusive (that is, able to win with any side).[/li][li]No recruitment or changes of alignment will occur at any time.[/li][/ol] > > \*\*Posting Rules > \*\*[ol] > [li]There are no post restrictions. As long as you are alive, you may post whatever you like, wherever you like, whenever you like. You may quote your role PM, and any PM sent to you by the moderators. You may discuss strategy by Day or by Night. If you have access to outside boards, you may post to them on any subject at any time. If someone claims a post restriction of any kind, they are lying; lynch them.[/li][li]PLEASE NOTE: You are also permitted to edit your posts. Other players may frown upon a choice to do so, but the Moderators will not intervene in any case of post editing.[/li][li]No out-of-game communication related to the game is permitted among living players (that is, no PMing or e-mailing or using Facebook or complex codes based on banging together coconuts). [/li][li]In a game of this size, participation will be rigorously policed. Any player who goes a full Day-Night cycles without contributing to the thread will be replaced (if it is before Day Four and a replacement is available) or Mod-killed (if it is after Dawn of Day Four or if no replacement can be found). Obviously, exceptions will be made for unusual circumstances; all Mod-kills are at the absolute discretion of the Moderators. Players who are Mod-killed are considered to have lost the game no matter what else happens.[/li][/ol] > \*\*Day and Night > \*\*[ol] > [li]Every Day will begin exactly at 3:00PM Eastern Standard Time (noon Pacific) on a Tuesday, and end at exactly 3:00PM Eastern Standard Time (noon Pacific) on a Sunday. Each 5-day Day will be followed by a 2-day Night. The length of the Day and Night are fixed and cannot be shortened by any in-game mechanism. However, the moderators reserve the right to adjust the length of a given Day and/or Night if out of game circumstances warrant.[/li][li]The game includes both Night and Day powers. Orders for actions must be submitted to all three moderators before the 3:00PM EST deadline. Because of the large size of the game, absolutely no late orders will be accepted.[/li][li]Powers will always resolve at the Dusk or Dawn of the Day or Night, respectively, on which they are used; no powers will ever resolve in the middle of a Day or Night.[/li][/ol] > **Voting** > [ol] > [li]Each player may vote for one (and only one - sorry, Pleo!) player to be lynched. This is done using blue text, in the following format: vote NAF1138. [/li][li]A vote may be rescinded using red text, in the following format: unvote Mahaloth.[/li][li]A vote for a player must be preceded by an unvote using the format above (that is, no player may have two active votes at the same time). [/li][li]Again due to the large size and complexity of this game, the moderators will follow the rules related to voting absolutely. No vote or unvote will count unless formatted per the above, and no new vote will be counted without an unvote of any prior vote.[/li][li]There are no public or hidden powers whatsoever that affect the vote count in any way; if there is an apparent irregularity in the vote count, it is the result of moderator error.[/li][li]You may vote “No Lynch.” Please do so using purple text: vote No Lynch. [/li][/ol] > \*\*The Lynch > \*\*[ol] > [li]At the conclusion of each Day, the player with the highest total number of votes will be lynched and removed from the game. If “No Lynch” has the highest number of votes, no player will be lynched.[/li][li]In the event of a tie, the moderators will consult [Random.org](http://Random.org). You probably want to avoid this if you can.[/li][li]Death reveals (including for lynch and Night/Day kill victims) will include the role name and alignment of the player. No additional information will be provided.[/li][/ol] > \*\*Multi-Lynch Rules (READ THIS PART CAREFULLY!!!): > \*\*[ol] > [li]It is possible for there to be as many as three (3) lynches in any given Day except for Day One (there can only be a single lynch on Day One). [/li][li]The available number of lynches is equal to the number of Town players who died during the preceding Night, not to exceed 3. So if two Town players are killed on Night One, then two lynches are available on Day Two. However, the number of available lynches can never exceed three under any circumstances.[/li][li]In all cases, the leading vote getter will be lynched as always. If at least 2 lynches are available on a given Day, the second-leading vote getter will also be lynched if (s)he has received more than 34% of the available votes. If at least 3 lynches are available on a given Day, the third-leading vote getter will be lynched if: (1) the second-leading vote getter is lynched; AND (2) the third-leading vote getting receives more than 10% of the available votes. [/li][li]PLEASE NOTE: If “No Lynch” is the leading vote-getter for any given Day, then no player will be lynched, even if more than 1 lynch is available and one or more players exceeds the threshold shown above.[/li][/ol] > \*\*Win Conditions > \*\*Win conditions will be checked in the following order every Dawn and every Dusk: > [ol] > [li]Town Wins! if all 14 Scum players are dead.[/li][li]Mafia Wins! if the total number of living Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Wolves.[/li][li]Wolves Win! if the total number of living Wolves is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Mafia.[/li][li]Third party win conditions are checked after checking all three of the above. Thus, a Town win supersedes an exclusive third party win even if both occur simultaneously.[/li][/ol] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/593 "2017-01-11T21:52:49Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > 😛 > No offense meant, sorry. Thanks, it was a bit unexpected, sorry if I ruffled a feather. > [@Plumpudding](#): > > @Guiri: I kinda agree with you on both Prof. Preppywicker and Biotop (and myself actually, I suspect you might not have reached the post where I explain a bit more of _why_ I’m slow, to Normal Phase…). Especially Biotop is usually heavy on analysis and less on the chit-chatty side of things. Prof. is more of a coin toss if you ask me. I see you’ve since unvoted, and I said votes were free, but was that a poke vote, a vote for the sake of it, a vote because you think he’s scum, or a do what I say not what I do vote? > [@jsgoddess](#): > > Ah, then I misunderstood. I thought it was a blanket “Scum” answer, but it sounds as if more is said. No, you’re right, the alignment is either Town, Mafia or Werewolves. > [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Well, I just explained this in a previous post, but yeah, it’s more unaffected concern. It’s an easy vote on your part, though-- you’re voting me for being anti-town? Do you really think scum would be admitting they hadn’t read the rules? I could easily come in here and just make random comments and slide through. Do you go by a different name elsewhere? I’m not feeling the case on septimus, the unvote and defense looks bad, but doesn’t feel bad. I liked Chronos’ #450, Suburban’s sounding reasonable. I am still comfortable with my vote on Colby, #478 and #497 sort of seal the deal for me. I disliked Johnny B’s FOS but, short of hall monitoring, not seeing scum motivation I’d vote Prof. P for active lurking plus voting the wrong player, Plumpudding for active lurking and then voting Biotop and Prof. P for doing it, ToeJam for N0 and going quiet after, raventhief for a series of one-liners and little else, Boozy of the vote in #540 for being irritated. Who is Angelofthenorth, I thought s/he was a noob but apparently not? Bufftabby, a ping, Drain too. > [@Colby11](#): > > The votes on Professor are interesting, because they call him out on posting only fluff posts. Yes, we do have a week, and some fluff is great. But I don’t know if all of his posts are fluffy or not. Hey, I linked to his D1 posts to date in [#388](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19910064&postcount=388), I’ll wait here till you get back with an opinion. @Plum, about “BUT there was a 5-out-of-6 chance for the shallow end of the pool containing at least one Scum.”, is that in 5 games out of 6 there was at least one scum in the bottom 25% of voters, or something else entirely? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/594 "2017-01-11T21:53:49Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Take this how you want, but I feel you vote Republican. This is not the place for personal insults. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/595 "2017-01-11T22:00:16Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I’m not suspicious of you, I think you’re genuinely tying to solve the game. Scum Septimus is very cautious, he watches his words and posts carefully. In fact he usually writes long posts and has his scum team check them for acceptability before posting. Hmmm. I have trouble figuring out if this is or isn’t a post like that. Also I have a problem with players saying stuff like “I know this style. It’s townie”. > [@septimus](#): > > My plan was to post little until late in Day and then examine the cases on Lynch leaders. I suspect some of the low posters have a similar plan. I can hear you ready to click Reply and say “Anti-Town! You should be looking for Scum actively!” But the fact is > (1) I’m not very good at scum-hunting, especially Day 1. > (2) I like to read others’ accusations and think about them. > (3) I’m spending more than 2+ hours per calendar day just skimming the thread to follow what’s going on … and another 1 hour per day responding to accusations against me. > (4) Even if I did identify likely Scum, nobody would agree with my argument. (And I can’t really blame them – I’m a poor scum-hunter.) > > As I do peruse the thread, I do form certain reactions, and I’ve already named Players I find (slightly) suspicious. > > Which is why Town wasting its efforts on long responses like the following is frustrating for me: > He’s (one of) _ **My** _ top suspect for Heaven’s sake! _Make up your minds!_ 🆒 Should I vote for whom I suspect? … Or for someone just because they’re a Lynch leader? > > Now: _ **Why** _ do I suspect him? _ **What difference does it make?!** _ Nobody’s going to follow my lead. (And I don’t blame them; my sniffs are very vague and flimsy.) Nearer to EOD, if Johnny gets votes from other Players I will review the cases against Johnny and others (ToeJam?) and make a final decision. It’s unlikely, but I might even have an intelligent comment on the case I select. > > Which explains the post by me to which the following is in response: > > I wish I had the will-power to ignore this thread completely for 35 hours or so. Let you guys make up your minds whether I’m Towny (or “acceptable”) before I continue posting in frustration. 😃 The real issue for me is, that when we bring all the semi-information into the game we run a risk of tainting the in-game-data. “I don’t see the case because Player A always do that” We all do it. I do it myself. We ignore Idle claiming vanilla and Meeko for writing in meekish. And I know we can’t avoid it totally. But I don’t recall - EVER - having played in a game where so many players did it on behalf of others. Is it Scum-tell? Is it snuggling? No. But it’s as valid as me posting stuff like: I don’t need to be worried about bufftabby Day 1, because in every game we play together one of us is out by start of Day 2. Is that valid? I can prove it to be true in sooo many games. But it’s not data in THIS game. And get of my lawn. Youngsters 😉 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/596 "2017-01-11T22:09:42Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > The real issue for me is, that when we bring all the semi-information into the game we run a risk of tainting the in-game-data. > > “I don’t see the case because Player A always do that” And it must be awful for a new player to try to make sense of it all. But with 55 players, it may be a coping mechanism - so and so sounds like always, not going to worry about him right now… ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/597 "2017-01-11T22:09:54Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Now: _ **Why** _ do I suspect him? _ **What difference does it make?!** _ Nobody’s going to follow my lead. (And I don’t blame them; my sniffs are very vague and flimsy.) “I’m voting for **Player X**. Why? Eh…” I think we may be zeroing in on why people continue to find your play suspicious ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/598 "2017-01-11T22:14:09Z")
I believe that the rules are on **storyteller0910** profile page. I have a question, which may have been answered. It’s for the group, but mods may also participate. There are several instances in the role document that refer to “third parties”. The role investigators, such as the Seer can receive a “third party” result for example. Do we have any information on what the third party (or parties) might be? Also, sorry to ask this, but I’ve checked online and “full of shit” doesn’t seem to fit the usage I’m seeing here - what is FOS in the game context? 😕 One more question, while I have everyone’s attention. What is the protocol as the week closes: is it common to publicly re-assess your vote choice and present your argument? **HookerChemical** did an assessment that reflects fairly accurately where I still stand on **ToeJam**. (Thank you kind sir) What about the other “candidates” on the lynch list? Should we also be presenting any sort of assessment of our thoughts on their guilt or innocence? **Angel** , for example. I don’t know what’s going on. In any other thread, I’d call it inability to let an argument die. She stated something that could easily be attributed to a work/life situation. She could have easily asked for help in taking care of it (link to rules, roles, stated when she could get to it, whatever), but instead it’s like she’s going for suicide for mob or mod. I can’t tell if she’s town or scum, but she’s making it irrelevant. Would this sort of assessment about **Septimus** or **Johnny Bravo** be appropriate as the week closes? I’m sure I’ll have a few more questions as the week closes. Thanks everyone for letting me join the reunion. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/599 "2017-01-11T22:17:38Z")
FOS = “Finger of Suspicion” It is pointed at the person whose behavior is not quite vile enough to warrant a lynch vote, but who must be called out as someone to keep a careful eye on… ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/600 "2017-01-11T22:24:15Z")
@Suburban, sounds like frustration to me. @SunnyDaze, FOS=finger of suspicion, there’s a mafia [wiki](http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Finger_of_Suspicion&redirect=no). We know what the rules say about third parties, there are some, but it’s secret, some may steal the win and win alone, others may share the win with whoever else wins the game. The color suggests there are 4 third parties but that could be misinformation. Do what makes you feel comfortable, there no hard and fast rules, but as the week progresses, you should have much more information to help form suspicions which may result in a new vote, or reinforce your original one. Sharing your thoughts can help others get a read on you, bring attention to players that others may not notice, and if you are town and get killed or lynched, leave valuable honest input. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=31)