# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/601 "2017-01-11T22:26:50Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I believe that the rules are on **storyteller0910** profile page. > > I have a question, which may have been answered. It’s for the group, but mods may also participate. There are several instances in the role document that refer to “third parties”. The role investigators, such as the Seer can receive a “third party” result for example. Do we have any information on what the third party (or parties) might be? > > Also, sorry to ask this, but I’ve checked online and “full of shit” doesn’t seem to fit the usage I’m seeing here - what is FOS in the game context? 😕 Finger of suspicion, I believe. > [@](#): > > One more question, while I have everyone’s attention. What is the protocol as the week closes: is it common to publicly re-assess your vote choice and present your argument? > > **HookerChemical** did an assessment that reflects fairly accurately where I still stand on **ToeJam**. (Thank you kind sir) I believe it’s good policy and practice to review your vote more or less continuously, but especially as Day ends. I have a tendency to fixate and get tunnel vision. I entered my review to ToeJam expecting to move my vote because TJ isn’t as much on my radar as they were late N0, early D1. (This kind of review for specific players is something new I’m trying that may be regular in smaller games, but will be the only way of dealing with so many players in this game. I’m going to be working with a short list and focused reviews.) > [@](#): > > What about the other “candidates” on the lynch list? Should we also be presenting any sort of assessment of our thoughts on their guilt or innocence? > > **Angel** , for example. I don’t know what’s going on. In any other thread, I’d call it inability to let an argument die. She stated something that could easily be attributed to a work/life situation. She could have easily asked for help in taking care of it (link to rules, roles, stated when she could get to it, whatever), but instead it’s like she’s going for suicide for mob or mod. I can’t tell if she’s town or scum, but she’s making it irrelevant. > > Would this sort of assessment about **Septimus** or **Johnny Bravo** be appropriate as the week closes? I wouldn’t mind seeing a review or your assessment of either of them. I don’t have a strong lean on septimus but Johnny was my next candidate because I feel like he’s molehill mountaineering (making a big case out of minor issues). ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/602 "2017-01-11T22:28:45Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Thank ou! ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/603 "2017-01-11T22:29:09Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I believe that the rules are on **storyteller0910** profile page. > > I have a question, which may have been answered. It’s for the group, but mods may also participate. There are several instances in the role document that refer to “third parties”. The role investigators, such as the Seer can receive a “third party” result for example. Do we have any information on what the third party (or parties) might be? > > Also, sorry to ask this, but I’ve checked online and “full of shit” doesn’t seem to fit the usage I’m seeing here - what is FOS in the game context? 😕 > > One more question, while I have everyone’s attention. What is the protocol as the week closes: is it common to publicly re-assess your vote choice and present your argument? > > **HookerChemical** did an assessment that reflects fairly accurately where I still stand on **ToeJam**. (Thank you kind sir) > > What about the other “candidates” on the lynch list? Should we also be presenting any sort of assessment of our thoughts on their guilt or innocence? > > **Angel** , for example. I don’t know what’s going on. In any other thread, I’d call it inability to let an argument die. She stated something that could easily be attributed to a work/life situation. She could have easily asked for help in taking care of it (link to rules, roles, stated when she could get to it, whatever), but instead it’s like she’s going for suicide for mob or mod. I can’t tell if she’s town or scum, but she’s making it irrelevant. > > Would this sort of assessment about **Septimus** or **Johnny Bravo** be appropriate as the week closes? > > I’m sure I’ll have a few more questions as the week closes. Thanks everyone for letting me join the reunion. 🙂 I have found [mafiascum.net](http://mafiascum.net) to be extremely valuable in deciphering some of the secret language. Especially [Commonly Used Abbreviations - MafiaWiki](http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commonly_Used_Abbreviations) I personally suck at scumhunting on D1 - it seems really random to me and a lot of “AHA! That’s a slip!” sort of thing. It;s generally good play to get all your ideas out there if you feel a re-assessment is warranted, though, I think - simply because you may die before getting your ideas on the screen. I generally don’t have great ideas on the first Day - or very often after that, for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/604 "2017-01-11T22:30:44Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I have found [mafiascum.net](http://mafiascum.net) to be extremely valuable in deciphering some of the secret language. Especially [Commonly Used Abbreviations - MafiaWiki](http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commonly_Used_Abbreviations) > I personally suck at scumhunting on D1 - it seems really random to me and a lot of “AHA! That’s a slip!” sort of thing. It;s generally good play to get all your ideas out there if you feel a re-assessment is warranted, though, I think - simply because you may die before getting your ideas on the screen. I generally don’t have great ideas on the first Day - or very often after that, for that matter. Not Edited To Add: I am not sure why I try. Everyone is so much faster at I am at answering questions. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/605 "2017-01-11T22:32:44Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Okay, I’ve read the rules and I see the mechanisms are similar to Mahaloth’s game. (Stating this because the biggest confusion for me in the rules was Pleo’s repeated mention of the multi lynch.) ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/606 "2017-01-11T22:33:51Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Not Edited To Add: I am not sure why I try. Everyone is so much faster at I am at answering questions. Look I understand too little too late I realize there are things you say and do You can never take back **But what would you be if you didn’t even try You have to try** So after a lot of thought I’d like to reconsider Please If it’s not too late Make it a cheeseburger -Lyle Lovett ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/607 "2017-01-11T22:34:42Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Thanks, it was a bit unexpected, sorry if I ruffled a feather. > I see you’ve since unvoted, and I said votes were free, but was that a poke vote, a vote for the sake of it, a vote because you think he’s scum, or a do what I say not what I do vote? > No, you’re right, the alignment is either Town, Mafia or Werewolves. > Do you go by a different name elsewhere? > > I’m not feeling the case on septimus, the unvote and defense looks bad, but doesn’t feel bad. > I liked Chronos’ #450, Suburban’s sounding reasonable. > I am still comfortable with my vote on Colby, #478 and #497 sort of seal the deal for me. > I disliked Johnny B’s FOS but, short of hall monitoring, not seeing scum motivation > I’d vote Prof. P for active lurking plus voting the wrong player, Plumpudding for active lurking and then voting Biotop and Prof. P for doing it, ToeJam for N0 and going quiet after, raventhief for a series of one-liners and little else, Boozy of the vote in #540 for being irritated. > Who is Angelofthenorth, I thought s/he was a noob but apparently not? > Bufftabby, a ping, Drain too. > > Hey, I linked to his D1 posts to date in [#388](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19910064&postcount=388), I’ll wait here till you get back with an opinion. > > @Plum, about “BUT there was a 5-out-of-6 chance for the shallow end of the pool containing at least one Scum.”, is that in 5 games out of 6 there was at least one scum in the bottom 25% of voters, or something else entirely? Sorry, I’m Archangel from Giraffe. I had apparently signed up here under an older nickname years before so I have to go with this one. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/608 "2017-01-11T22:37:04Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Hmmm. I have trouble figuring out if this is or isn’t a post like that. > Also I have a problem with players saying stuff like “I know this style. It’s townie”. > > The real issue for me is, that when we bring all the semi-information into the game we run a risk of tainting the in-game-data. > > “I don’t see the case because Player A always do that” > > We all do it. I do it myself. We ignore Idle claiming vanilla and Meeko for writing in meekish. > > And I know we can’t avoid it totally. > > But I don’t recall - EVER - having played in a game where so many players did it on behalf of others. > > Is it Scum-tell? Is it snuggling? > > No. But it’s as valid as me posting stuff like: > I don’t need to be worried about bufftabby Day 1, because in every game we play together one of us is out by start of Day 2. > > Is that valid? I can prove it to be true in sooo many games. > > But it’s not data in THIS game. > > And get of my lawn. Youngsters 😉 > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I would say his scum style _could_ apply to his most recent posts, not the one before. I’m sorry you have trouble with it, but it’s how I play Mafia and it’s done me well before (as town) so I’m not going to give it up now. I t only goes so far though because I don’t know many of the players. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/609 "2017-01-11T22:37:58Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **septimus** : > > Let you guys make up your minds whether I’m Towny (or “acceptable”) before I continue posting in frustration. No, because when we’ll make up our minds on that is when you’re dead, and you won’t be allowed to continue then. Nobody in this game has made up their minds whether anyone is Townie yet. Most of the game is played interacting with people whose Towniness is uncertain. Again, this is Mafia 101 stuff: Are you really that ignorant of the game? **Sunny Daze** , all we know about third parties is that they may or may not exist, there is an unknown number of them, their win conditions may or may not be consistent with other factions winning (or a combination of both sorts), and if they exist, their role PMs are not part of the public document. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/610 "2017-01-11T22:38:59Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I believe that the rules are on **storyteller0910** profile page. > > I have a question, which may have been answered. It’s for the group, but mods may also participate. There are several instances in the role document that refer to “third parties”. The role investigators, such as the Seer can receive a “third party” result for example. Do we have any information on what the third party (or parties) might be? > > Also, sorry to ask this, but I’ve checked online and “full of shit” doesn’t seem to fit the usage I’m seeing here - what is FOS in the game context? 😕 > > One more question, while I have everyone’s attention. What is the protocol as the week closes: is it common to publicly re-assess your vote choice and present your argument? > > **HookerChemical** did an assessment that reflects fairly accurately where I still stand on **ToeJam**. (Thank you kind sir) > > What about the other “candidates” on the lynch list? Should we also be presenting any sort of assessment of our thoughts on their guilt or innocence? > > **Angel** , for example. I don’t know what’s going on. In any other thread, I’d call it inability to let an argument die. She stated something that could easily be attributed to a work/life situation. She could have easily asked for help in taking care of it (link to rules, roles, stated when she could get to it, whatever), but instead it’s like she’s going for suicide for mob or mod. I can’t tell if she’s town or scum, but she’s making it irrelevant. > > Would this sort of assessment about **Septimus** or **Johnny Bravo** be appropriate as the week closes? > > I’m sure I’ll have a few more questions as the week closes. Thanks everyone for letting me join the reunion. 🙂 I do admit to an inability to let an argument die. But Booz twisted or ignored every single word I said. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/611 "2017-01-11T22:39:57Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > One more question, while I have everyone’s attention. What is the protocol as the week closes: is it common to publicly re-assess your vote choice and present your argument? I don’t know if I’d say it was “common”, but it is certainly not unheard of, and is in most cases welcome. Some players point out their suspicions on their ‘prime suspect’, and pretty much leave it at that. Some make long posts in which they detail their thoughts on each and every player in the game. Some will post a “wall of words” going into intricate detail on a specific player; usually for their top couple or three suspects. Some people just drive by once a Day and say “Vote Pablo”, with no explanation or commentary whatsoever. I don’t think there is a “right way”…though there is definitely a “wrong way”. The more information you give about your own thoughts, the better it is for the Town (assuming you are Town yourself). But the more you talk, the more risky it might be for you as an individual - depending on whether or not your suspicions are correct. If you successfully suss out three Scum through your dazzling investigative skills, you may find yourself a prime target for a Night Kill. Of course, you may also find yourself a prime target for a Doctor’s Protection, as well. But in almost all cases, it’s better for Town players to share their thoughts than to keep them to themselves. Remember that the Scum essentially have a “collective mind”. Anything that one Scum member notices, they can post in their private discussion so that all Scum members know it (subject to faction membership in this multi-Scum-faction game, of course). Town does not have that luxury. The only way that the rest of us can know what you know, or what you suspect, is if you tell us. Of course the flip side to that is that everything you tell the Town, you are also telling the Scum. That is a 'downside, and unfortunately there’s no way to get around it. But the silver lining there is that the Scum outnumber you 7 to 1 in terms of brains (at this stage of the game), so the chances are that whatever you have to say, one of them already knows. That means that your pronouncement is a net gain for Town, and most likely nets the Scum nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/612 "2017-01-11T22:40:37Z")
Oh, and _everyone_ sucks at Scum-hunting on Day 1. That’s nothing new. You just have to make the best effort you can. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/613 "2017-01-11T22:43:27Z")
Damn, a lot of people posted while I was typing up my thoughts there…we are such a helpful friendly bunch! ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/614 "2017-01-11T22:45:19Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Look > I understand too little too late > I realize there are things you say and do > You can never take back > **But what would you be if you didn’t even try > You have to try** > So after a lot of thought > I’d like to reconsider > Please > If it’s not too late > Make it a cheeseburger > > -Lyle Lovett Just for you, Prof, I’ll keep trying. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/615 "2017-01-11T22:46:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Suburban Plankton** : > > But the more you talk, the more risky it might be for you as an individual - depending on whether or not your suspicions are correct. If you successfully suss out three Scum through your dazzling investigative skills, you may find yourself a prime target for a Night Kill. You say that like it’s a bad thing. The highest honor a Mafia player can receive is to be the target of the first Scum-kill, as a vanilla. I mean, unless our protectors get very lucky, _someone_ is going to be the first victim, so that victim being a vanilla is pretty much the best-case scenario. And if the Scum target you before they have any real information, that means that they think you’re such a good player that they want you dead just for that reason. Now, if you’re a valuable power role, the calculation might be a little different. There’s a case to be made that if you’re the Detective or something, you should play a little more cautiously. But then again, if the Scum work out that you play more cautiously, you might be revealing yourself anyway. So I say that you should just go full-steam on Scum-hunting regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/616 "2017-01-11T22:58:15Z")
I think the most important part of the third parties is the win condition as stated in the rules. That is, they cannot steal a win from town. If we lynch the last scum, town wins, full stop. Maybe third parties also win, but they can’t stop town. So that’s a big pressure taken off end game, which I’ve seen be derailed by the need to hunt third parties over scum to make sure they don’t win steal. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/617 "2017-01-11T23:01:28Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Oh, and _everyone_ sucks at Scum-hunting on Day 1. That’s nothing new. You just have to make the best effort you can. Yeah exactly, and I can’t help but be suspicious of septimus for the fact that he keeps harping on this. Of course you suck at scum hunting D1, if it was easy no one would play! It comes across as woe is me, I’m just a poor townie, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/618 "2017-01-11T23:05:34Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Damn, a lot of people posted while I was typing up my thoughts there…we are such a helpful friendly bunch! We’re helpful, but FOS for not pointing out (for the fifth time) what FOS meant. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/619 "2017-01-11T23:05:56Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I’m sorry you have trouble with it, but it’s how I play Mafia and it’s done me well before (as town) so I’m not going to give it up now. I t only goes so far though because I don’t know many of the players. Just to make it clear: My little rant was not a part of my vote for you. As I tried to explain, I see it all over. Including in my own game. I changed the way I read TJ/Roosh knowing it’s Roosh. Not much. But a bit. I have had such a hard time with Pleo in prior games. But now I know what to expect. And that is fine by me. BUT what I was asking players to consider was vouching for others style of playing. I really prefer us looking at actions IN game. Is all. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/620 "2017-01-11T23:08:12Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I assume you missed this on your first read! {Note: Total Lost is asking if septimus is soft claiming.} Why do you care? Why is it important at this particular point in time? You certainly look like you are pushing for a claim. Why would you do that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=32)