# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/621 "2017-01-11T23:35:37Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @Suburban, sounds like frustration to me. > @SunnyDaze, FOS=finger of suspicion, there’s a mafia [wiki](http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Finger_of_Suspicion&redirect=no). > We know what the rules say about third parties, there are some, but it’s secret, some may steal the win and win alone, others may share the win with whoever else wins the game. The color suggests there are 4 third parties but that could be misinformation. > Do what makes you feel comfortable, there no hard and fast rules, but as the week progresses, you should have much more information to help form suspicions which may result in a new vote, or reinforce your original one. Sharing your thoughts can help others get a read on you, bring attention to players that others may not notice, and if you are town and get killed or lynched, leave valuable honest input. Cool. Thank you. Ack. So we have to look for 2 types of scum (which we can group as scum) and unknown third parties which can or will randomly take the whole game. Space bats, if anyone gets that reference. > [@raventhief](#): > > I have found [mafiascum.net](http://mafiascum.net) to be extremely valuable in deciphering some of the secret language. Especially [Commonly Used Abbreviations - MafiaWiki](http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commonly_Used_Abbreviations) > > I personally suck at scumhunting on D1 - it seems really random to me and a lot of “AHA! That’s a slip!” sort of thing. It;s generally good play to get all your ideas out there if you feel a re-assessment is warranted, though, I think - simply because you may die before getting your ideas on the screen. I generally don’t have great ideas on the first Day - or very often after that, for that matter. Thank you for that wiki link. I had found others, but not that one yet. It’s actually kind of fascinating, if I might digress (and apparently I might) the differences between game play in real life or even video conferencing and online/text only. I also geeked out a bit too much on the whacked out difference we have in our scum numbers in this game versus the game theory calculations, but that may be because we’re online. Haven’t read enough yet. 😃 > [@raventhief](#): > > Not Edited To Add: I am not sure why I try. Everyone is so much faster at I am at answering questions. Oooh - another abbreviation I hadn’t deciphered yet. I got context but not the exact wording. Thank you! OK - in a morbid way I get that that you should “think out loud” about your suspicions and thought processes online, so you leave a record in the event of your untimely death. Cool. That very much makes sense. I will try to do more of that. Thank you everyone who answered. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/622 "2017-01-11T23:38:37Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Damn, a lot of people posted while I was typing up my thoughts there…we are such a helpful friendly bunch! Yes, helpful and friendly. \*Too \* helpful and friendly…:dubious: You’re all scum! Oog: I stayed home from work due to a sore throat/Ebola. So don’t expect too much from me today. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/623 "2017-01-11T23:59:38Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Oog: I stayed home from work due to a sore throat/Ebola. So don’t expect too much from me today. There’s a macaque joke in there somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/624 "2017-01-12T00:06:25Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Sorry, I’m Archangel from Giraffe. I had apparently signed up here under an older nickname years before so I have to go with this one. @Guiri ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/625 "2017-01-12T00:09:24Z")
Ugh, well nevermind. I searched for AA, and thought I had seen it much earlier some where. Didn’t realize I was quoted a post from just above. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/626 "2017-01-12T00:17:11Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > There’s a macaque joke in there somewhere. I contracted throatebola from macaque? Nah, there’s gotta be a better one than that. I’ve spent too much brain power on it already tho. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/627 "2017-01-12T00:50:53Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I contracted throatebola from macaque? Nah, there’s gotta be a better one than that. I’ve spent too much brain power on it already tho. Something about licking monkeys. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/628 "2017-01-12T00:58:33Z")
An ebollient jest: the macaque the merrier! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/629 "2017-01-12T00:58:39Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Take this how you want, but I feel you vote Republican. :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(☹ ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/630 "2017-01-12T01:06:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Sunny Daze** : > > I also geeked out a bit too much on the whacked out difference we have in our scum numbers in this game versus the game theory calculations, but that may be because we’re online. I don’t think there really are any good calculations for a three-faction game like this. A 14-man Scum team out of 54 players would be overwhelming, but that’s not the same thing as two 7-man Scum teams, for two reasons. One, with three teams, the baseline chance of each team winning a “fair” game should be 1/3, not 1/2. And two, the Scum teams will also be working against each other: Some mornings, we’ll wake up to see a Mafioso dead instead of a Townie, and some evenings, it’ll be a Werewolf. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/631 "2017-01-12T01:59:09Z")
Reformatted to make it easier to read (I hope, if you liked it better the other way I guess you can let me know and I will silently weep for the half hour I spent changing it.) **DAY ONE VOTE COUNT** As a quick reminder - there are no powers, hidden or open, that can affect the vote count. If you see an apparent discrepancy, it’s the result of moderator error. **colby11** (8 votes) - Texcat (91), Guiri (101), Meeko (130), ToeJam (132), Hockey Monkey (152), Lakai (154), Hawkeye(350), Nanook(455) **septimus** (6 votes) - Enderw24 (243), normal phase (322), Colby(335), Captain Klutz(347), Hoopy(480), Pleonast (511) **ToeJam** (4 votes) - Sunny Daze (113), Hooker Chemical (184), sinjin (200), Sachertorte (534) **Lakai** (3 votes) - Inner Stickler (257), snfaulkner (295), RedSkeeziz(319) **Angelofthenorth** (3 votes) - Zeriel(413), TotalLost(492), Boozahol Squid PI (546) ## **Johnny Bravo** (2 votes) - bufftabby (259), septimus(488) PLAYERS WITH 1 VOTE: **Meeko** (1 vote) - Drain Bead (94) **Jsgoddess** (1 vote) - Chronos (183) **snfaulkner** (1 vote) - diggitcamera (264) **Prof. Pepperwinkle** (1 vote) - Plumpudding(472) **Normal Phase** (1 vote) - Johnny Bravo (36), **Enderw24** (1 vote) - Professor Pepperwinkle (545), **Plumbpudding** (1 vote) - Suburban Plankton (541), **Boozahol Squid PI** (1 vote) - AngeloftheNorth (542) This space for rent ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/632 "2017-01-12T02:21:13Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Oh, and _everyone_ sucks at Scum-hunting on Day 1. That’s nothing new. You just have to make the best effort you can. Not everyone. It’s just a different kind of read. FYI for everyone I’ve been very tied up this week with a one-day-per-full-cycle game on another site. I do expect to be done with that game before the day here finally ends, but right now I’m not really caught up, just poking in here and there. You’ll probably be able to tell when I’m no longer playing over there. \>\_\> ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/633 "2017-01-12T02:56:49Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > You say that like it’s a bad thing. The highest honor a Mafia player can receive is to be the target of the first Scum-kill, as a vanilla. I mean, unless our protectors get very lucky, _someone_ is going to be the first victim, so that victim being a vanilla is pretty much the best-case scenario. And if the Scum target you before they have any real information, that means that they think you’re such a good player that they want you dead just for that reason. > > Now, if you’re a valuable power role, the calculation might be a little different. There’s a case to be made that if you’re the Detective or something, you should play a little more cautiously. But then again, if the Scum work out that you play more cautiously, you might be revealing yourself anyway. So I say that you should just go full-steam on Scum-hunting regardless. I actually had a couple more paragraphs about how the main job of Vanilla Town is to die…and how that was OK. In the end, I couldn’t figure out how to say what I wanted to say in a way that I thought would be understandable to someone who was already in deep, having decided to dive head first into the Mafia pool with this game, so I scrapped it. But the gist of what I wanted to say, you pretty much covered here. Which isn’t too surprising, since I’m pretty sure you’re the one I tool the idea from in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/634 "2017-01-12T03:04:30Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I firmly believe that I can dissect **Alcohol Squid** here and make a few general Mafia points. **I won’t get there on my own. I’m asking for opinion.** Oh, lord, Meeko. I forgot what a wild ride it is to try to dissect your posts for context. Here’s my best attempt. Forgive me if I miss some things. > [@](#): > > “”… The bad guys can ignore the context and just play however they’d like because they’re not seeking information.“” > > I get the theory here. I differ at what Scum can and do with the context. **After all, isn’t ignoring context the same as Skimming? Isn’t Skimming A top five scum tell?** That’s precisely what I was saying. I think. > [@](#): > > I don’t think scum ignore context as much as you are making it out to be here. They don’t have to. But they do have that luxury. And if someone is claiming that they are ignoring the context provided as they dive into a game, does it strike you as being scummier or townier? > [@](#): > > “”… I don’t know what it means that you’ve decided to use your magic faerie wand to say that Ulla’s not scum.“” > > The full meaning of Magic Bag escapes me at the moment, suffice that it was more personal, to the self, claiming in a vauge sense. I want to associate your faerie wand with a magic bag claim. … Is there a connection here? I don’t know what a magic bag claim is. I’m not making one. I was being dismissive of **Angel’s** unsubstantiated feeling that **TotalLost** was Town. > [@](#): > > “…I can’t figure it out with the information at hand, so it’s irrelevant to me.” > > Wow. > > At once, I feel the “Old” Meeko wanting to attack you here. … More reserved, I look inward. [[When we see a man of contrary character, we should look inward, and examine ourself. -Confuscious (Yeah, philosophy and spirituality searching is real deep shit.)]] > > I can’t go here with you. My key issue is with “irrelevance”". A Discarded, disposed irrelevance? Or, a “please sir, let me check your coat for you” irrelevance? At what point in time do you come back to this, and is it an absolute that additional information becomes present before doing so? … If my thoughts were real, and our games were also,real… I would own a circut track of floor space, from my mental pacing. ((Rumination, if I am brutally honest here. :(😃 )) Let’s say the information is set aside. Until we have more information, there’s not much I can do with it. > [@](#): > > The second part, is more what I intended to get to, before I opened up, frankly. … And admittedly it’s meta. I’ve lost most of my train of thought on this one… Except the overarching question. > > Does “birth order” and or being an only child affect Mafia play? > > “”…and having votes being placed on me as scum is a lot more concerning.“” > > I feel, perhaps the same level of concern if votes are placed on me as town. As **Chronos** pointed out, I have in the past done everything I could to confirm my town status. … And if you spare me the rationale… I wonder if birth order ((Or indeed, being an only child)) plays in here, to color my perspective. … It all falls on me to get what I want done… There is no other … Group of authority (By consensus, “mob” or otherwise) to achieve my agenda, if I go under… I can’t count on siblings to forward my goals. Perhaps I equate the lynch as parental control… I don’t know. This is fast transitioning to from a ““move”” in Mafia into a session where my time is up for the day… And as I said, I’ve lost where I was going on this particular point, as I started… > > -Meeko, who is debating if this fulfills his group therapy obligations… [[Not that he actually has any, at present.]] I don’t know what any of this means. I have an older sister, and no other siblings. Does that help you? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/635 "2017-01-12T03:05:56Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > We’re helpful, but FOS for not pointing out (for the fifth time) what FOS meant. Well, Double Secret FOS back on you for not noticing that I answered the FOS question first! (post 599) Now, I think I’ll type FOS again. FOS It’s lost all meaning to me… ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/636 "2017-01-12T03:35:06Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I would like you to note that I didn’t say this about your vote, or complain about your vote. It’s been a long time since I’ve played with you but your voting me for this is consistent with your town behavior. It’s be other two votes I’m objecting to as easy votes. Well, isn’t that all fuzzy-huggy? As far as I’m aware, I don’t know you from Adam and vice-versa, but if that was a reason for suspicion over and above anyone’s actual actions, this would be a lot more contentious of a first day. So that’s yet another anti-town behavior (especially in a game this large). You admit as much as it’s not particularly effective in post 550. Yeah, my vote stays. Suburban Plankton is doing some yeoman’s work on analysis, and both of his points in 541 are good catches as well. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I don’t get the “bandwagon” (for lack of a better term) on **AngeloftheNorth**. If I understand the reasoning, “not reading the rules” is not necessarily Scummy, but openly stating that you have’t read the rules _is_. Is there more to it than that? From my POV, it’s the third thing added in that sealed it. “Scum would never do this thing that I’ve done”. I’ve got a very knee-jerk reaction to someone trying to explain to me what scum would and wouldn’t do, since it proves approximately nothing. And I’m the cool hippie uncle with the backpacker guitar who smells vaguely like cigars and booze. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I don’t know if I’d say it was “common”, but it is certainly not unheard of, and is in most cases welcome. > > Some players point out their suspicions on their ‘prime suspect’, and pretty much leave it at that. Some make long posts in which they detail their thoughts on each and every player in the game. Some will post a “wall of words” going into intricate detail on a specific player; usually for their top couple or three suspects. Regarding this, I feel like we’re going to have some weird expectations given how just mind-bogglingly huge this game is. I am personally reading and thinking a couple of hours a day and I’m finding that it’s an effort to keep up! ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/637 "2017-01-12T03:51:44Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > That’s 27 posts, almost all of which are discussions of mechanics, playstyle, game setup, etc. The only real ‘substantive’ posts are the ones in which he places votes. **Interestingly, both votes are based on the player in question posting “fluff” or not participating fully** …while Plumpudding himself has basically spent the Day doing exactly that. Also of note is that both votes are one-offs; the players in question are in absolutely no danger whatsoever of being lynched Today. I wouldn’t put it that way. Both votes were placed for playing very differently than what I’m used to seeing from those players. At least that was my intention. Your analysis on my play so far is spot on though - I’ll blame the wine. > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Thanks, it was a bit unexpected, sorry if I ruffled a feather. No no, no I’m good. > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I see you’ve since unvoted, and I said votes were free, but was that a poke vote, a vote for the sake of it, a vote because you think he’s scum, or a do what I say not what I do vote? A poke. > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @Plum, about “BUT there was a 5-out-of-6 chance for the shallow end of the pool containing at least one Scum.”, is that in 5 games out of 6 there was at least one scum in the bottom 25% of voters, or something else entirely? Is this meant for the Prof.? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/638 "2017-01-12T04:06:47Z")
Oh, and before anyone complains: > [@](#): > > Quoth me: > > I mean, unless our protectors get very lucky, someone is going to be the first victim, so that victim being a vanilla is pretty much the best-case scenario. With the multiple Scum teams, a cross-kill is both a better-case scenario, and more likely. But I don’t think there’s anything a Townie can do to make that happen. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/639 "2017-01-12T04:27:35Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Reformatted to make it easier to read (I hope, if you liked it better the other way I guess you can let me know and I will silently weep for the half hour I spent changing it.) > > **DAY ONE VOTE COUNT** > As a quick reminder - there are no powers, hidden or open, that can affect the vote count. If you see an apparent discrepancy, it’s the result of moderator error. > > **colby11** (8 votes) - Texcat (91), Guiri (101), Meeko (130), ToeJam (132), Hockey Monkey (152), Lakai (154), Hawkeye(350), Nanook(455) > > **septimus** (6 votes) - Enderw24 (243), normal phase (322), Colby(335), Captain Klutz(347), Hoopy(480), Pleonast (511) > > **ToeJam** (4 votes) - Sunny Daze (113), Hooker Chemical (184), sinjin (200), Sachertorte (534) > > **Lakai** (3 votes) - Inner Stickler (257), snfaulkner (295), RedSkeeziz(319) > > **Angelofthenorth** (3 votes) - Zeriel(413), TotalLost(492), Boozahol Squid PI (546) > > ## **Johnny Bravo** (2 votes) - bufftabby (259), septimus(488) PLAYERS WITH 1 VOTE: **Meeko** (1 vote) - Drain Bead (94) **Jsgoddess** (1 vote) - Chronos (183) **snfaulkner** (1 vote) - diggitcamera (264) **Prof. Pepperwinkle** (1 vote) - Plumpudding(472) **Normal Phase** (1 vote) - Johnny Bravo (36), **Enderw24** (1 vote) - Professor Pepperwinkle (545), **Plumbpudding** (1 vote) - Suburban Plankton (541), **Boozahol Squid PI** (1 vote) - AngeloftheNorth (542) > > This space for rent Post 503 I thought jsgoddess voted for AngeloftheNorth. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/640 "2017-01-12T04:36:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by GuiriEnEspaña View Post > @Plum, about “BUT there was a 5-out-of-6 chance for the shallow end of the pool containing at least one Scum.”, is that in 5 games out of 6 there was at least one scum in the bottom 25% of voters, or something else entirely? > Is this meant for the Prof.? In case it was, and it probably was meant for me, it means that in an average of 5 out of 6 games there was at least one Scum in the bottom three posters. (Except in cases where there was a tie, in which case it was one of the bottom four or five posters, as now.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=33)