# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/641 "2017-01-12T04:37:16Z")
\*\*BTW, I unvoted Enderw24, and voted for Koldanar. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/642 "2017-01-12T04:52:50Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Post 503 I thought jsgoddess voted for AngeloftheNorth. Ah, got it. Clerical error. Prof. When did you change your vote? I missed said change. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/643 "2017-01-12T05:02:01Z")
**DAY ONE VOTE COUNT** As a quick reminder - there are no powers, hidden or open, that can affect the vote count. If you see an apparent discrepancy, it’s the result of moderator error. **colby11** (8 votes) - Texcat (91), Guiri (101), Meeko (130), ToeJam (132), Hockey Monkey (152), Lakai (154), Hawkeye(350), Nanook(455) **septimus** (6 votes) - Enderw24 (243), normal phase (322), Colby(335), Captain Klutz(347), Hoopy(480), Pleonast (511) **ToeJam** (4 votes) - Sunny Daze (113), Hooker Chemical (184), sinjin (200), Sachertorte (534) **Angelofthenorth** (4 votes) - Zeriel(413), TotalLost(492), Boozahol Squid PI (546), jsgoddess (503) **Lakai** (3 votes) - Inner Stickler (257), snfaulkner (295), RedSkeeziz(319) ## **Johnny Bravo** (2 votes) - bufftabby (259), septimus(488) PLAYERS WITH 1 VOTE: **Meeko** (1 vote) - Drain Bead (94) **Jsgoddess** (1 vote) - Chronos (183) **snfaulkner** (1 vote) - diggitcamera (264) **Prof. Pepperwinkle** (1 vote) - Plumpudding(472) **Normal Phase** (1 vote) - Johnny Bravo (36), **Koldanar** (1 vote) - Professor Pepperwinkle (545), **Plumbpudding** (1 vote) - Suburban Plankton (541), **Boozahol Squid PI** (1 vote) - AngeloftheNorth (542) More accurate vote counters wanted. No pay, no credit, lots of work. High mortality rate. The career of the future! Start today! Contact Mahanafteller Industries at 800 555-work ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/644 "2017-01-12T05:13:07Z")
In response to **Beer Cephalopod** , I’m going to break tags and just barge in:: Oh, lord, Meeko. I forgot what a wild ride it is to try to dissect your posts for context. Here’s my best attempt. Forgive me if I miss some things. You missed my entire diatribe on Fnord! That’s precisely what I was saying. I think. \>\>\>Ok. Good. Wasn’t too sure how “reinventing the wheel” you were here. Glad to see similar ideas. They don’t have to. But they do have that luxury. And if someone is claiming that they are ignoring the context provided as they dive into a game, does it strike you as being scummier or townier? \>\>\> Ah, ok, the entire notion of employing this tactic with discretion… I didn’t fully appreciate that. I don’t know what a magic bag claim is. I’m not making one. I was being dismissive of **Angel’s** unsubstantiated feeling that **TotalLost** was Town. \>\>\> Wasn’t trying to say you were… Again, I think your singing Twinkle Twinkle, and I’m singing Baa Baa Blacksheep… And we need to find a common alphabet song. [[[Not going to explain that one folks. You’ll be glad I didn’t, if you don’t get it yet, once you do.]]] Let’s say the information is set aside. Until we have more information, there’s not much I can do with it. \>\>\> ☹ I fear this will be closer to trying to explain color to blind person. I’m not going to get there. I don’t know what any of this means. I have an older sister, and no other siblings. Does that help you? \>\>\> I think a birth order analysis of all players might reveal… Something, but it’s impractical. To fix the idea, I’m just saying that in general, how we were brought up will in some small fashion influence our play. All of us. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/645 "2017-01-12T07:17:27Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Oh, this must be the post Total Lost was referring to saying this is not my usual play style? Biotop, were you stating this as suspicion of me? > > My usual play style is completely ineffective in a game with 50+ people. No, I was not stating a suspicion of you. Your play came across to me as unusual and hurried, but I think I was more surprised by **Lightfoot** ’s response telling you the various reasons to read the rules. You would know rules are important, and she knows that you know your way around a Mafia game. I don’t think you would post the way you were first posting if you were Scum (re the whole “not reading rules” fuss), but I could be wrong about that. I am not 40,000% sure. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/646 "2017-01-12T10:04:50Z")
Maybe it’s just me, but didn’t a similar Colby/TexCat thing happen in the Snow White game at Giraffe? I didn’t play, only read it afterwards… ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/647 "2017-01-12T10:49:54Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > This is pretty good reason to start a lynching mob. Who is in charge of handing out the pitch forks? > > **Vote: Colby11** Lazy vote, and a bit frightening to boot. I guess it could be read as tounge in cheek… Way to early to start fantasizing about a mob!:eek: It popped out at me way back when – I was hoping for more from Lakai, but this next post is all: > [@Lakai](#): > > Or maybe just has a day job, sees evidence that convinces a number of other posters to vote for someone and then decides the evidence is sufficient enough to cast his own vote? > > I would ask everyone to consider what **DiggitCamara** wrote up thread, that a defense of player with very little evidence is more suspicious than a vote for a player with very little evidence. There is little evidence for any vote and everyone has to vote for someone, but not everyone has to defend someone. So, because you have a job, and others have provided “evidence”, you don’t feel you need to justify your vote? You basically said “this is a good reason to form a wagon” one day into Day 1, without even justifying why that is a good idea. Also, where does this “defense of a player”-thing come from? I haven’t seen anyone coming to the defense of Colby, just that they disagree with the case on him. Mostly for meta-reasons, he’s kinda known for saying strange things and getting lynched for it! I see no sense continuing to poke the Prof. **Unvote Prof. Pepperwinkle** when I can vote someone more deserving of attention… \*\* Vote Lakai\*\* On septimus: I’d really like to vote for him, but I can completely reconcile his play this game with townie septimus. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/648 "2017-01-12T12:13:06Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Well, isn’t that all fuzzy-huggy? > > As far as I’m aware, I don’t know you from Adam and vice-versa, but if that was a reason for suspicion over and above anyone’s actual actions, this would be a lot more contentious of a first day. > > So that’s yet another anti-town behavior (especially in a game this large). You admit as much as it’s not particularly effective in post 550. Yeah, my vote stays. > > Suburban Plankton is doing some yeoman’s work on analysis, and both of his points in 541 are good catches as well. > > From my POV, it’s the third thing added in that sealed it. “Scum would never do this thing that I’ve done”. I’ve got a very knee-jerk reaction to someone trying to explain to me what scum would and wouldn’t do, since it proves approximately nothing. > > And I’m the cool hippie uncle with the backpacker guitar who smells vaguely like cigars and booze. > > Regarding this, I feel like we’re going to have some weird expectations given how just mind-bogglingly huge this game is. I am personally reading and thinking a couple of hours a day and I’m finding that it’s an effort to keep up! So are you going me because you think I’m scum, or because you think I’m anti-town? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/649 "2017-01-12T12:14:29Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > So are you going me because you think I’m scum, or because you think I’m anti-town? Voting! Not going. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/650 "2017-01-12T12:15:35Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > No, I was not stating a suspicion of you. Your play came across to me as unusual and hurried, but I think I was more surprised by **Lightfoot** ’s response telling you the various reasons to read the rules. You would know rules are important, and she knows that you know your way around a Mafia game. I don’t think you would post the way you were first posting if you were Scum (re the whole “not reading rules” fuss), but I could be wrong about that. I am not 40,000% sure. Okay, thanks, I was just clarifying. I’m suspecting she missed the post (there was an earlier one somewhere, not just my response to Guiri) where I stated who I am. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/651 "2017-01-12T12:22:40Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > Something about licking monkeys. I had nothing to do with it! ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/652 "2017-01-12T12:55:59Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > {Note: Total Lost is asking if septimus is soft claiming.} > Why do you care? Why is it important at this particular point in time? You certainly look like you are pushing for a claim. Why would you do that? Because if I saw something that looked like a soft-claim. And if I saw it, others did as well. I really don’t care if scum saw it or not - but in this particularly set-up I mind it very much if a Town power saw it and decide to use their powers on what might be a vanilla or a non-Townie. Since he already had made sure to try and tell us, that he was Town - there really IMO didn’t seem to be much else he could claim - than having a power. So I asked. As a little bonus-info I would like to point out that I really dislike soft claims. Either you claim or you don’t in my book. He even added a nice little story about being mislynched just to make sure, that we all began to wonder if he indeen in this game too would be not just a mislynch but a power mislynch early in the game. So yes - I did ask about it - because I really think that it’s weird to ignore a post like that and go “oh, no - guess nobody will notice if we keep quiet about it”. I would so much call it “pushing for a claim” but rather asking about what to me already looked like a claim. I do think there is a difference there. It’s one thing to ask a lunch-candidat: Do you want to claim? And anohter to ask a player with a couple of votes about a soft claim - and it might not even be a soft claim. He might come back and say “no. you mis-read me completely”. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/653 "2017-01-12T13:02:06Z")
I apologize for all the typo in the post above. Hope some of you still can make some sense of it. Wrote while talking to a co-worker at work. Sorry :o ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/654 "2017-01-12T13:06:59Z")
“I would so much call it “pushing for a claim” but rather asking about what to me already looked like a claim. I do think there is a difference there.” Should have been I would _ **not** _so much call it “pushing for a claim” but rather asking about what to me already looked like a claim. I do think there is a difference there. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/655 "2017-01-12T13:58:24Z")
My apologies for going mostly silent. I’m getting swamped at work. I’m mostly keeping up with the thread but am not really having time to do much pondering. It will be better over the weekend. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/656 "2017-01-12T14:24:56Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > So are you going me because you think I’m scum, or because you think I’m anti-town? I think anti-Town behaviors are votable in and of themselves, AND I find that people trying to justify anti-Town behavior are somewhat more often than not scummy. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/657 "2017-01-12T15:10:37Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I think anti-Town behaviors are votable in and of themselves, AND I find that people trying to justify anti-Town behavior are somewhat more often than not scummy. Thank you for the clarification. Who else do you find problematic? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/658 "2017-01-12T15:10:55Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Ah, got it. Clerical error. > > Prof. When did you change your vote? I missed said change. Post 545. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/659 "2017-01-12T15:41:34Z")
Is Colby’s very peculiar wording (not just the three words) a Scum tell? I can’t decide. \*I have trouble thinking of a model where Scum (rather than Town) would use the wording. \* A few Players have said they’ve seen similar wording in the past from Colby when he was Town. A lot of the scum deduction toDay references how others have played as Town or Scum in the past. And, like it or not, _that’s how it should be_, especially on Day 1. My own brain isn’t capable of discerning these patterns, but I’ve thought a computer analysis might be able to differentiate Scummy and Town for a given Player. Indeed when I experimented with a corpus of **PizzaGuy** ’s posts I found what seemed to be significantly different frequencies of words like “scummy.” IIRC, Angel (and Normal Phase as well?) have mentioned that they know what their own tells are and are glad noone’s picked up on them. I’m sure there must be a sharp difference between my posts as Town and as Scum, because I know my emotional status is so different in the two cases, and I’ve never been a good liar. All of which leads to these posts: > [@BillMC](#): > > Agreed - that is pretty much how Colby tried to meh out of Dante’s game when he was suspected as scum on day one. > [@Plumpudding](#): > > Maybe it’s just me, but didn’t a similar Colby/TexCat thing happen in the Snow White game at Giraffe? I didn’t play, only read it afterwards… Should we pursue these? Ask BillMc for details? What was the similar kerfluffle in Snow White game? Or should we just unhitch the Colby wagon (even though that would make me Lynch leader :eek: ). ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Because if I saw something that looked like a soft-claim. And if I saw it, others did as well. … > > As a little bonus-info I would like to point out that I really dislike soft claims. Either you claim or you don’t in my book. > > He even added a nice little story about being mislynched just to make sure … So you asked and then re-asked for me to make a “soft claim” even though you find them bad. You wanted more ammunition for your case against me? Or, if I were a Town Power, you wanted to out me? FTR, since I know I’m the Townie Septimus, FOS on you and all the other Septimus voters! 😛 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I’ve just completed rereading Day 1, and want to revise my Scum guesses. I’m still slightly suspicious of Johnny and Colby, less so of ToeJam, and have a new top suspect. **Unvote Johnny Bravo** **Vote Prof. Pepperwinkle** The charge? Too much fluff; too little content. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/660 "2017-01-12T15:53:12Z")
As for the snow white thing, I might be misremembering. But I definitely find Colby’s potential slip and after-reaction consistent with his play. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=34)