# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/701 "2017-01-12T19:25:28Z")
No, I’m not. But you seemed like you wanted him to tell you _for sure_ that it was or not. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/702 "2017-01-12T19:36:29Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Do you not see " yes that was meant as a soft claim" or no it wasn’t is " more concrete" than a soft claim itself? No. I don’t. Sorry. Concrete would have been - to me - asking about more details. I did not. I simply said: I read this as a soft claim. Is my reading correct? Same way I would ask someone about any other phrasing that might be misinterpreted. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/703 "2017-01-12T19:37:37Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Having pretty little to base anything on, I vote > > **Vote Colby11** > > The “very small base” comes from the possible slip in this post: seems to me that speaking about “the other team” might mean that Colby actually is on one of the scum teams. Same question here as to Hockey Monkey. Had you read the other Colby votes yet when you made this post? ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/704 "2017-01-12T19:38:21Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Do you not see " yes that was meant as a soft claim" or no it wasn’t is " more concrete" than a soft claim itself? And you seem to now also imply that it was a soft claim. We still don’t even know if it was intended as such… So is it better to assume a soft claim than ask if it was a soft claim? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/705 "2017-01-12T19:38:58Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I concur and I would also consider it (because of the way I consume content on these boards, I would have missed it had it not been pointed out) tantamount to editing in that it limits the audience for what he’s saying. > > If it wasn’t kinda meta and innocuous, I’d almost be inclined to FOS it myself, but I’m still deciding how hard I want to come out. I know when I used to play I played hard and aggressive, but I also spent a lot of time watching the back 90% of games as a result. =P Come on, Zeriel, go hard. You know you want to. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/706 "2017-01-12T19:43:18Z")
@Total Lost - The information you would have gotten from a confirm of your question would have confirmed it as a claim. Can’t you see that? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/707 "2017-01-12T19:45:33Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > And you seem to now also imply that it was a soft claim. We still don’t even know if it was intended as such… > > So is it better to assume a soft claim than ask if it was a soft claim? > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Well, now he has made a hard claim, soo… Look, the last game I was in had soft, kinda sideways claims/hints as part of the game structure. It was fun. I see it as three levels of claim- soft, harder and hard. Soft claim may be read as a hint toward Power, harder claim would be confirmed soft claim (Yes I am some sort of Power, I totally meant that as a soft claim!) and hard claim (see his last post). I just found your prodding (is that better than “forcing” ?) to be kind of weird, and a confirmed soft claim would be a larger target for scum/third parties than an unconfirmed soft claim, wouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/708 "2017-01-12T19:46:37Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > So, as I read on, I see that a Colby bandwagon has formed. I am the first to admit that my eye is still on him/her, however this post is actually a better candidate for suspicion. I find that a defense of another player is usually given whenever the culprit actually has superior information about the other player. So, I will > > **unvote Colby** > > and > > **Vote snfaulkner** Not a fan of this post. I think it’s important to remember that nobody in this game has perfect information making them able to defend someone else and have no fear they might be defending a scum. There are two scum teams. Not to mention there are tons of us who have said similar things about Colby’s slip, including me. What makes this one stand out? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/709 "2017-01-12T19:50:39Z")
\*\*Vote Boozahol Squid PI \*\* The whole exchange with \*\*Angel \*\*seems like trying to make a case and then being frustrated when it does’t stick —instead of actually evaluating her response. Did \*\*Boozahol \*\*care what \*\*Angel \*\* would say to his accusations? Seems not. Angel showed up in an impossibly busy game and posted, admitting to not having read roles. It was kind of weird, but not really scummy. The overkill response from \*\*Boozahol \*\* is. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/710 "2017-01-12T19:53:11Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **♩♩ [SIZE=“4”][COLOR=“Purple”]Don’t Lynch ♫ Me. > ♩♪ I’m the ♩♩ E. M. T. ♬♬ ![/COLOR][/SIZE]** You’re whistling in **orange** … are you a **wolf**? But then again, you’re writing in **purple** … Have you been granted **mod powers**? Or are you perhaps speaking from **beyond the grave**? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/711 "2017-01-12T20:01:00Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Sorry, I’m Archangel from Giraffe. I had apparently signed up here under an older nickname years before so I have to go with this one. Oh, hi there. I was confused at a noob declaring not to have read the rules but being afraid of me as scum, now I’m confused that you started off like a bull in a china shop, well done. FOS raventhief > [@Chronos](#): > > You say that like it’s a bad thing. The highest honor a Mafia player can receive is to be the target of the first Scum-kill, as a vanilla. I had to read this twice. > [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > I think the most important part of the third parties is the win condition as stated in the rules. That is, they cannot steal a win from town. If we lynch the last scum, town wins, full stop. Maybe third parties also win, but they can’t stop town. So that’s a big pressure taken off end game, which I’ve seen be derailed by the need to hunt third parties over scum to make sure they don’t win steal. Which rules are you reading? Spreading misinformation? “Some third party players may have exclusive win conditions (ie, win conditions that preclude Town and/or Scum wins), while others may be nonexclusive (that is, able to win with any side).” > [@Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/469): > > **Switches may be flipped at Night only, flipping back to “on” every Night. If they affect a Day Power, the next Day will be the power affected. If they affect a Night Power, the current Night will be affected.** There were no N0 actions, right? D1 starts with all switches on? Is this Lakai’s first game? 2 posts toDay in total? A me too vote, and an excuse for inactivity? > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > In case it was, and it probably was meant for me, it means that in an average of 5 out of 6 games there was at least one Scum in the bottom three posters. (Except in cases where there was a tie, in which case it was one of the bottom four or five posters, as now.) OK, that’s surprising, but interesting. Random selection would usually give 1 scum out of 4, 1/3 is slightly better odds - but honestly cannot be much fun or satisfaction for you. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/712 "2017-01-12T20:13:01Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > There were no N0 actions, right? D1 starts with all switches on? > . N0 was purely a set up event so you guys could talk while we coordinated behind the scenes nonsense. Consider the game as having started on Day 1 for everything other then general conversation. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/713 "2017-01-12T20:15:51Z")
I’m still a little confused about the day and night stuff. The mafia kill during the day – so they should be deciding right now who to kill. And Septimus you’re the doc that prevents the mafia kill, right? So you are deciding who to protect right now? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/714 "2017-01-12T20:17:03Z")
You know, I read post 345 from Septimus again and I think he can be town for now. It admittedly might just be the snuggling. We’ll see if I feel the same when I finally get to the end of this thread. **unvote Septimus** ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/715 "2017-01-12T20:22:21Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I’m still a little confused about the day and night stuff. The mafia kill during the day – so they should be deciding right now who to kill. And Septimus you’re the doc that prevents the mafia kill, right? So you are deciding who to protect right now? Yes, that is my understanding. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/716 "2017-01-12T20:24:56Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > You know, I read post 345 from Septimus again and I think he can be town for now. It admittedly might just be the snuggling. We’ll see if I feel the same when I finally get to the end of this thread. > > **unvote Septimus** I don’t know what you’ll feel when you get here, but I know I feel confused! **Unvote AngeloftheNorth**. I might have been just being cranky, though I do think that claiming not to have read the rules gives a person the opportunity to cover for mistakes that might otherwise catch attention, and it felt like overreaction when she was accused. **Vote Total Lost** for the septimus hounding which struck me wrong and which may have led to what we have now which is a too-early claim (at least, that’s how it strikes me). ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/717 "2017-01-12T20:26:05Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I would _ **not** _so much call it “pushing for a claim” but rather asking about what to me already looked like a claim. I do think there is a difference there. I thought Texcat was claiming Patsy N0 and asked her about it. > [@Zeriel](#): > > I think anti-Town behaviors are votable in and of themselves, AND I find that people trying to justify anti-Town behavior are somewhat more often than not scummy. And that puts an end to that entire conversation :). I disagree. > [@septimus](#): > > The charge? Too much fluff; too little content. I find the fact that he’s obviously following along, and ready to pop in and answer a question, but otherwise is just sitting back observing - as if he’s in the unspoiled thread but accidentally posting here. > [@Plumpudding](#): > > Lords and ladies and HoH3 (Naruto-sock) over at giraffe kinda illustrates my point re Colby, I guess. Please elaborate, or are you expecting everyone to traipse over to Giraffe board and try to find what you’re referring to? > [@Enderw24](#): > > But Septimus specifically said he was going to review what he knew of four people and then pops in with a vote, providing zero analysis…even when asked by another. > Then he changes his vote again to someone not on his list of 4, again for no reason. I’m not sure if he’s testing us, but he did give a reason for voting Johhny B, way back in [#345](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19909330&postcount=345) > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > NormalPhrase: :o I mistook NP for a woman in our first game and so… is the voice of my mother. Lecturing me on how I ought to behave Whoa, NormalPhase is NOT a woman? Mind blown. So who’s Renata? > [@Biotop](#): > > Stuff I think (Nod to \*\*Thing Fish \*\*for the format): > > - With 53 other players, it is impossible to keep up on everyone and every post. I keep wondering if there’s a middle ground, like just focus on 18 players, there’s probably 6 scum/3rd parties there, try to find the 12 townies, the 6 baddies, then move on to another group of 18? Just noticing players in a group this size is a challenge. > [@Biotop](#): > > - I have yet to get an accurate understanding of **Colby** ’s initial post that started all the trouble for him. The speculation that the source of the fire in the color is “…probably from the other team or an Arsonist…” makes little sense as a helpful speculation. But it makes almost as little sense as a Scum slip. The fire is obviously not coming from Town. Is the “probably” referring to the chance that the fire is just meaningless color/trickery? The Scum and Town roles were out, and there was nothing about fire in them. Ultimately the statement rates most charitably as early day meaningless filler. I am OK with a **Colby11** lynch because it will answer the question and give us some direction on dealing with the early **Colby** voters and defenders. He hadn’t read the roles at that time, but was aware there were two scum teams, each with a kill. Since his own team did not have a fire power, he suggests that it belongs to the other (scum) team, or to a (3rd party?) arsonist. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/718 "2017-01-12T20:38:07Z")
I am in a position I never expected to be in early in this game, of being caught up and feeling I have a reasonably good handle on what is going on! On the one hand it is good that the thread is a relatively manageable size, on the other hand it means that we have a lot of lurkers. By my count we have 16 alleged players who have posted 5 times or less, meaning less than one post per RL day. I do think that scum are probably overrepresented in that group, but with such a large group of lurkers, it’s hard to single out one to vote for…indeed, I would find anyone choosing to pick on a particular one of them to be mildly suspicious. With undying respect for the autonomy of power roles, I would suggest that the lurker pool might be a good place for our Vig to direct his or her attention. Heck, I’ll even make the same suggestion to the scum…killing there might give you an above average chance of hitting a member of the other scum team. At the very least, it will prevent you from killing me!😃 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/719 "2017-01-12T20:44:45Z")
I’m not getting a good feeling about the attention that’s being paid to **Total Lost’s** apparent waterboarding of **septimus**. Here’s the thing: just because somebody asks you a question, doesn’t mean you have to actually \*answer \*it…but it does no good to ignore it completely. The question was “are you soft-claiming powers here?” I don’t see anything so egregious about the inquiry; septimus’ post could be seen to imply that he might have something worth claiming. If he didn’t want to answer the question, he could simply have said “I’m not going to answer that question”. That’s what I would have done in his position (actually, I probably would have said something a bit more snarky, but you get the drift). That would have been that. By refusing to respond, and then changing the original intent of the question, all he did was open himself up to additional querying, and the rest of us to endless discussion. I think the whole thing is a bunch of nothing. Which brings me to… > [@septimus](#): > > **♩♩ [SIZE=“4”]Don’t Lynch] ♫ Me. > ♩♪ I’m the ♩♩ E. M. T. ♬♬ ![/SIZE]** _(decolorized for your protection)_ Are you hard-claiming powers here? 😃 But seriously, what the ever-loving fuck? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/720 "2017-01-12T20:45:26Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > **Vote Total Lost** for the septimus hounding which struck me wrong and which may have led to what we have now which is a too-early claim (at least, that’s how it strikes me). I was on Total Lost for her handling of a possible ‘soft claim,’ but septimus’s actual claim is NOT Total Lost’s fault. septimus was free to not claim if he so chose. Really, it was the VOTES that pushed septimus to claim, if anything. But choosing to claim is totally on septimus. Was he even in the lead? My recollection is that Colby was in the lead. But septimus did warn us that he would claim early since he would not be around for End of Day. Although, now that I type that out, didn’t septimus claim around the same time End of Day would be (different days of course, I mean around the same hour of day). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=37)