# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/741 "2017-01-12T21:56:53Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > OK, somewhat similar to Total’s voices in her head, I have a visual representation (totally PG) of you that suddenly felt really wrong. I’m glad that you felt it necessary to reassure me of that. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/742 "2017-01-12T22:10:35Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > That only applies when town has won. 3rd parties can steal the win anytime before that, you seemed to say that they can never steal a win from town - which really would mean we can ignore them. I guess I wasn’t as clear as I thought. I meant specifically at very end game. There’s been games before where town literally had the last scum outted, admitted, and completely dead to rights, but couldn’t/wouldn’t lynch them because they were worried that a third party would/could steal the win. In this game, that is never a fear. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/743 "2017-01-12T22:13:22Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > Suckup! 😛 > > **unvote septimus** > > So we have a claimed doc. I question the timing a bit. Seems early for someone whose merely in second place. Then again, he did say he might claim a bit early due to the weekend. And I can understand. After all, I mentioned I’d be unlikely to participate much this weekend either, and I was one of the votes on him. If Colby were to claim, and everyone jumped to septimus, he might not be around to claim either. If he was in first place, I’d view this claim (regardless of its merits) as a pro-town play. It’s usually to scum’s advantage to false claim later in the Day so as to send everyone scrambling for new targets. This gives those of us on the septimus train some time to find someone else. septimus is also on record now. If he lives a long time, I think we can take a second look, but for now, we should take it at face value. If it _is_ fake, the real EMT should not counterclaim at this point barring a really good reason to do so. > > I’m going to have to reread a few things before I place another vote. It’s not quite that simple as “if he lives a long time”, because we have Wizard who could choose to protect him. If the Wizard dies, that’s different. He’s also a day doc, if I’m remembering right, so to half the scum he’s no threat at all except insofar that after a long enough time a lack of counterclaim or EMT flip would confirm him. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/744 "2017-01-12T22:14:53Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Guiri sarcasm is the best. You’re probably still scum, though. /good player paranoia > > Guiri, you mentioned Pleonast and hot air in this same post, what is your read on him right now? The hot air was regarding his advice on not discussing what town roles should do, and then congratulating thing fish for discussing what town should do in the same post, and still not discussing anything about scum roles - which he promises to do. I like his faux-multivote approach, he’s thin on content but coming across quite naturally, as if life really is getting in the way. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/745 "2017-01-12T22:24:16Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I mean, it’s got to be the way you’re all talking about it, but jeez. Hey :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/746 "2017-01-12T22:26:29Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Option 1: for some reason you decided to go an note down all the votes and unvotes, maybe you were looking for a trend, maybe you noticed some suspicious behavior, so you went, spent some time writing it all down, and then came up with nothing, may as well post it to save others the bother. Option 2: a couple of players commented that the mods don’t include unvotes in their vote count, that really sucks, but hey, you’ve got plenty of free time, or have programed a robot to scan the thread for votes, and so hey presto, here you go, just being a helpful townie. Option 3: you’re scum and really struggling to find people suspicious but need to participate with more than one liners, how can you look like you’re helping hunt scum? Post a list of votes but lampshade it by noting how scummy it looks. The problem is not being helpful, it’s the motivation - like posting a WoW on a player without making any statement regarding their scummitude. I’ve been keeping this tally since D1 started because I find voting records of great significance, especially once we get to D3 or so. I didn’t comment on any of the votes because there is no context yet. IMHO, D1 is totally a guessing game unless something truly bizarre happens. Someone recently asked for such a tally, and, since I had it, I scanned the most recent posts to update it, and posted. Option 2, I really am just being a helpful townie. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/747 "2017-01-12T22:41:19Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Same question here as to Hockey Monkey. Had you read the other Colby votes yet when you made this post? Actually, I believe Hockey Monkey was referring to my subsequent unvote. So: [ol] [li]no, I hadn’t seen a Colby vote when I voted; it was simply a very strong slip in my mind. [/li][li]In my answer to Hockey Monkey’s question I said that the reason I changed my vote was because snfaulkner’s comment on the Colby vote was a very slight defense of Colby (unlike, for instance, Hockey Monkey’s who was commenting on the situation, not the person[/li][/ol] ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/748 "2017-01-12T22:44:47Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Do any of you also tend to read certain players post with a certain voice? > > I do - and sometimes it does mess a bit with me. > > Meeko: I try so hard not to hear a cartoon-racoon reading post from Meeko. But I admit… it has happened and it’s soooo funny 😃 Back when it was a Facebook meme, I selected Wakko Warner, Sheen Estevez, and Mr.Whiskers as the three fictional characters that I think represent me. Data from Star Trek, Pinkie Pie from My Little Pony, and Brian from Family guy (Minus the drinking) would probably round out the entirety of my existence. Not sure if that helps, or hurts. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/749 "2017-01-12T22:53:28Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Actually, I believe Hockey Monkey was referring to my subsequent unvote. > > So: > > [ol] > [li]no, I hadn’t seen a Colby vote when I voted; it was simply a very strong slip in my mind. [/li][li]In my answer to Hockey Monkey’s question I said that the reason I changed my vote was because snfaulkner’s comment on the Colby vote was a very slight defense of Colby (unlike, for instance, Hockey Monkey’s who was commenting on the situation, not the person[/li][/ol] Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/750 "2017-01-12T23:11:25Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > No, I was not stating a suspicion of you. Your play came across to me as unusual and hurried, but I think I was more surprised by **Lightfoot** ’s response telling you the various reasons to read the rules. You would know rules are important, and she knows that you know your way around a Mafia game. I don’t think you would post the way you were first posting if you were Scum (re the whole “not reading rules” fuss), but I could be wrong about that. I am not 40,000% sure. At the time I had no idea that Angel of the was our own Archangel. finding that out makes the act/statement in question all the more odd- to me ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/751 "2017-01-12T23:18:03Z")
Ok, I’m still laid up with throatebola so again, don’t expect too much from me today. But here’s my take on a few current events. FOS on Total Lost. I’m sure when Septimus made his vague semi-soft claim he wasn’t expecting the Spanish Inquisition (because who ever does? Nobody, that’s who). If I were in thst situation, I would have claimed too, because I was sick of reading about it. So yeah, I don’t blame him for full hard on claiming. I blame TL. I’m not changing my vote because TL is at least trying, which I can’t say about Lakai yet. As for prof providing a vote count, being helpful is his MO as a human and is a null tell on scumliness. Tho I still do have a stankeye on him for the “trying to post less this game” (paraphrased) comment. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/752 "2017-01-12T23:41:04Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > When you made this post, had you seen the other votes on Colby? No I had not, as I explained at some point upthread. I see something that I think needs addressing and I do it right then. My mental notes have become like water down a drain in the last couple of years. I post, then go back to where I was and keep going (frequently having to go AFK to do something else.) I totally see how it comes across that I jumped on a bandwagon, but I had no idea if anyone else had seen that post, commented on it, or voted. In other matters: It’s been a loooooooooong time since I played and though I remember almost everyone here, I don’t remember much about specific games, gambits, play-styles or roles. I am not and cannot put any relevance into how someone has played in this game vs a past game. I don’t really like using those biases as any kind of endorsement of someone else’s scum or town status. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/753 "2017-01-12T23:41:11Z")
I will be going out of town tomorrow and will be back on Tuesday. I will probably read along on the phone but posting is doubtful. Since my current vote is on Normal Phase and is lonely, I’ll do my best to review the cases on the top contenders and see if I feel like changing it. First I have to houseclean and pack. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/754 "2017-01-13T00:01:19Z")
It’s somewhat moot now that **septimus** has fully claimed, but **Total Lost** was absolutely correct to question him. He said something that made it look an awful lot like he has a power role. Scum, having many pairs of eyes on the lookout, and who are specifically looking for clues to power roles, almost certainly spotted it. Any relevant protective role, who has only one pair of eyes, might or might not have spotted it. If nobody had said anything, the most likely result would have been a Scum-kill of **septimus** that went through successfully due to lack of protection. **Total Lost** saw it, though, and asked about it. What are the possible consequences now? Well, if **septimus** follows up with an actual claim, then he’d be a priority target for Scum… but he probably already was that. So that’s no different. But with **Total** pointing it out, protectors would know to consider targeting him, and with the actual claim, the rest of Town can judge for themselves whether they believe it. At least, that’s the case if **septimus** is being honest, but on the other hand, if he’s not being honest, then it’s also appropriate to grill him. In short: **septimus** ’ soft-claim (deliberately or not) put the game state into a relatively bad position for Town. **Total** ’s question about it improved the game state. On another note, since we’re talking about claims: We may have some non-hostile third parties out there. Speaking for myself, I’m a lot more likely to accept such if you claim, without pressure, on Day 1. If you wait to claim until you’re forced to, I’m likely to conclude that you thought you had something to hide. Now, I know that not everyone agrees with me on this, and there are at least some players who think that every non-Town should automatically be lynched on sight, but it’s something to consider. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/755 "2017-01-13T00:12:46Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **♩♩ [SIZE=“4”]Don’t Lynch ♫ Me. > ♩♪ I’m the ♩♩ E. M. T. ♬♬![/SIZE]** Well that was unexpected. Why now? You weren’t in danger of being lynched and there are still almost 3 RL days to go till sundown. You don’t have to answer that, I’m just thinking out loud. I think it’s the color shock. And how in the world do you make music notes? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/756 "2017-01-13T00:39:34Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But with **Total** pointing it out, protectors would know to consider targeting him, and with the actual claim, the rest of Town can judge for themselves whether they believe it. Given he already could self-protect half of the time, and given the protector killer roles we have, I don’t see the advantage. I completely disagree that a hard claim is better under these circumstances than a soft claim would have been. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/757 "2017-01-13T00:41:48Z")
Except that, at the time that **Total** was hounding him, she didn’t know that he could self-protect. And if you think the hard claim is worse, then explain how. What advantage does it give the Scum that they didn’t already have? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/758 "2017-01-13T00:44:01Z")
Ok sorry guys I’m having huge trouble keeping up with this game because work is a nighmare right now. I’ve been reading along when I get time but I haven’t been able to sit down and think. Right now i’m going to **vote texcat** Just because she pointed out colby’s “scum slip”. But tbh that post was classic colby and she’s played with him often enough to know that. Ditto the septimus stuff, septimus is one of the players who when confronted with a reasonable argument against his vote will change it, then he gets piled on for switiching. I’m far more suspicious of players who double down on a shitty d1 vote because that screams to me of scum who have found a “safe” place to put a vote down and want to stay there. Everyone who is still on the colby wagon is suspicious to me because of that - it’s just placing an easy vote. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/759 "2017-01-13T00:46:05Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > In case it was, and it probably was meant for me, it means that in an average of 5 out of 6 games there was at least one Scum in the bottom three posters. (Except in cases where there was a tie, in which case it was one of the bottom four or five posters, as now.) I haven’t checked, but we haven’t heard much from Colby. This bothers me almost as much as his original odd wording. You could get a 2-for-1 vote here: lurker + scum slip. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/760 "2017-01-13T00:51:33Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Ok sorry guys I’m having huge trouble keeping up with this game because work is a nighmare right now. I’ve been reading along when I get time but I haven’t been able to sit down and think. > > Right now i’m going to > **vote texcat** > > Just because she pointed out colby’s “scum slip”. But tbh that post was classic colby and she’s played with him often enough to know that. > > Ditto the septimus stuff, septimus is one of the players who when confronted with a reasonable argument against his vote will change it, then he gets piled on for switiching. > > I’m far more suspicious of players who double down on a shitty d1 vote because that screams to me of scum who have found a “safe” place to put a vote down and want to stay there. Everyone who is still on the colby wagon is suspicious to me because of that - it’s just placing an easy vote. Ha! I didn’t see this until I just doubled down on it. But I would have doubled down on it anyway, because I still think it’s the most likely vote to catch scum. And I don’t think it’s a shitty D1 vote. I think it’s an excellent D1 vote. It’s a vote for scum, rather than the votes on Angel which are votes mostly for being just anti-town, or the votes on lurkers who are just hoping they get lucky and that the reason for the lurking is scummy instead of just busy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=39)