# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/761 "2017-01-13T00:52:58Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Except that, at the time that **Total** was hounding him, she didn’t know that he could self-protect. > > And if you think the hard claim is worse, then explain how. What advantage does it give the Scum that they didn’t already have? They can focus their protector-killer fire on him. With a soft claim, there was a chance that scum would be fishing around because even if you are right (and I don’t think you are) that scum would have been all over that, sure he was a power role, his soft claim would have drawn some fire, he might not have drawn protector-killing fire. Because scum wouldn’t have known if the protector(s) were going to be drawn out by it, especially given the protector-killing roles. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/762 "2017-01-13T00:58:39Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Ha! I didn’t see this until I just doubled down on it. But I would have doubled down on it anyway, because I still think it’s the most likely vote to catch scum. And I don’t think it’s a shitty D1 vote. I think it’s an excellent D1 vote. It’s a vote for scum, rather than the votes on Angel which are votes mostly for being just anti-town, or the votes on lurkers who are just hoping they get lucky and that the reason for the lurking is scummy instead of just busy. I didn’t say it was a shitty D1 vote. Ordinarily it would be an excellent D1 vote. I completely see how it looks like a scum slip. My problem with it is solely that in many games (and some very recent games) Colby always gets lynched early for similar stuff. I’ve played with you and colby enough that I’m pretty sure you know that too. So right now doubling down looks more like scummy vote parking to me. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/763 "2017-01-13T01:05:57Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **♩♩ [SIZE=“4”][COLOR=“Purple”]Don’t Lynch ♫ Me. > ♩♪ I’m the ♩♩ E. M. T. ♬♬ ![/COLOR][/SIZE]** I really wish people would just claim fully. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/764 "2017-01-13T01:17:06Z")
\*\*DAY ONE VOTE COUNT **DAY ONE VOTE COUNT** As a quick reminder - there are no powers, hidden or open, that can affect the vote count. If you see an apparent discrepancy, it’s the result of moderator error. **colby11** (9 votes) - Texcat (91), Guiri (101), Meeko (130), ToeJam (132), Hockey Monkey (152), Lakai (154), Hawkeye(350), Nanook(455), beewha (683 **septimus** (4 votes) - Enderw24 (243), Colby(335), Captain Klutz(347), Pleonast (511) **ToeJam** (4 votes) - Sunny Daze (113), Hooker Chemical (184), sinjin (200), Sachertorte (534) **Angelofthenorth** (4 votes) - Zeriel(413), TotalLost(492), Boozahol Squid PI (546), jsgoddess (503) **Lakai** (4 votes) - Inner Stickler (257), snfaulkner (295), RedSkeeziz(319), Plumpudding(647) **Boozahol Squid PI** (2 votes) - AngeloftheNorth (542), Biotop (709) ## **Total Lost** (2 vote) - raventhief (679), jsgoddess (716) PLAYERS WITH 1 VOTE: **Meeko** (1 vote) - Drain Bead (94) **Jsgoddess** (1 vote) - Chronos (183) **snfaulkner** (1 vote) - diggitcamera (264) **Normal Phase** (1 vote) - Johnny Bravo (36), **Koldanar** (1 vote) - Professor Pepperwinkle (545), **Plumbpudding** (1 vote) - Suburban Plankton (541), \*\*Prof. Pepperwinkle \*\* (1 vote) - septimus (659) **Johnny Bravo** (1 votes) - bufftabby (259) **Texcat** (1 vote) - Scathach(758), \*\*[/COLOR] Colby remains the lynch leader and if nothing changes, he would be the one to be lynched. [Here is a countdown to the end of Day.](https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/election?iso=20170115T15&p0=77&msg=End+of+Day+1+Mafia+Reunion&font=cursive) ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/765 "2017-01-13T01:33:52Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Ok sorry guys I’m having huge trouble keeping up with this game because work is a nighmare right now. I’ve been reading along when I get time but I haven’t been able to sit down and think. > > Right now i’m going to > vote texcat > > Just because she pointed out colby’s “scum slip”. But tbh that post was classic colby and she’s played with him often enough to know that. > > Ditto the septimus stuff, septimus is one of the players who when confronted with a reasonable argument against his vote will change it, then he gets piled on for switiching. > > I’m far more suspicious of players who double down on **a shitty d1 vote** because that screams to me of scum who have found a “safe” place to put a vote down and want to stay there. Everyone who is still on the colby wagon is suspicious to me because of that - it’s just placing an easy vote. > [@Scathach](#): > > **I didn’t say it was a shitty D1 vote.** Ordinarily it would be an excellent D1 vote. I completely see how it looks like a scum slip. > > My problem with it is solely that in many games (and some very recent games) Colby always gets lynched early for similar stuff. I’ve played with you and colby enough that I’m pretty sure you know that too. So right now doubling down looks more like scummy vote parking to me. ??? If you are “far more suspicious” of something else, perhaps you should vote there. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/766 "2017-01-13T01:40:36Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > ??? If you are “far more suspicious” of something else, perhaps you should vote there. You’re connecting things that weren’t meant to be connected. I didn’t say yours was a shitty day one vote. Your post about doubling down happened after the post you’re quoting. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/767 "2017-01-13T01:47:00Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > You’re connecting things that weren’t meant to be connected. > > I didn’t say yours was a shitty day one vote. Your post about doubling down happened after the post you’re quoting. You voted for TexCat. Then you said you’re far more suspicious of those who double down on a shitty Day 1 vote. But then you said TexCat’s wasn’t a shitty Day 1 vote. So TexCat didn’t have a shitty vote and couldn’t have doubled down on it, so doesn’t that mean you find someone else’s doubling down Day 1 vote far more suspicious? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/768 "2017-01-13T01:48:22Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > They can focus their protector-killer fire on him. With a soft claim, there was a chance that scum would be fishing around because even if you are right (and I don’t think you are) that scum would have been all over that, sure he was a power role, his soft claim would have drawn some fire, he might not have drawn protector-killing fire. Because scum wouldn’t have known if the protector(s) were going to be drawn out by it, especially given the protector-killing roles. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the protector-killers are mostly irrelevant here. They only mean that Septimus can’t self-protect. Otherwise he’s more vulnerable to a factional kill, and we do have a role that can protect him from that. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/769 "2017-01-13T01:48:41Z")
It strikes me as unusual that so few have budged in their case against Colby. I feel like early Day 1 votes aren’t usually so stable. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/770 "2017-01-13T01:50:55Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the protector-killers are mostly irrelevant here. They only mean that Septimus can’t self-protect. Otherwise he’s more vulnerable to a factional kill, and we do have a role that can protect him from that. Why does it only mean he can’t self-protect? How can someone protect him without risking the ricochet? (There might be a better term for that, but I’ve dubbed it a ricochet in my head.) ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/771 "2017-01-13T01:56:21Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > You voted for TexCat. Then you said you’re far more suspicious of those who double down on a shitty Day 1 vote. > > But then you said TexCat’s wasn’t a shitty Day 1 vote. So TexCat didn’t have a shitty vote and couldn’t have doubled down on it, so doesn’t that mean you find someone else’s doubling down Day 1 vote far more suspicious? No, again, order is important. I voted for Texcat, and in the same post said I don’t like people doubling down on to shitty day one votes. The next post Texcat said “oh I did double down on it” Then in reply I corrected her, in that I didn’t think \*her \*vote was a shitty D1 vote, but that I thought she would have known better to have voted for colby for poor phrasing. Texcat’s vote on colby wasn’t a shitty day 1 vote, it had justification. I didn’t accuse Texcat of doubling down on a shitty day 1 vote, in fact I specifically said I wasn’t doing that. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/772 "2017-01-13T02:00:02Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > No, again, order is important. > > I voted for Texcat, and in the same post said I don’t like people doubling down on to shitty day one votes. > > The next post Texcat said “oh I did double down on it” > > Then in reply I corrected her, in that I didn’t think \*her \*vote was a shitty D1 vote, but that I thought she would have known better to have voted for colby for poor phrasing. > > Texcat’s vote on colby wasn’t a shitty day 1 vote, it had justification. I didn’t accuse Texcat of doubling down on a shitty day 1 vote, in fact I specifically said I wasn’t doing that. I know that. But you said “I’m far more suspicious of players who double down on a shitty d1 vote because that screams to me of scum who have found a “safe” place to put a vote down and want to stay there. Everyone who is still on the colby wagon is suspicious to me because of that - it’s just placing an easy vote.” So, if this isn’t referring to TexCat, who is it referring to? You said everyone who is still on the Colby wagon is suspicious for that. Except TexCat. But then you left your vote on TexCat. Do you see? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/773 "2017-01-13T02:01:45Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > It strikes me as unusual that so few have budged in their case against Colby. I feel like early Day 1 votes aren’t usually so stable. There are some 8 or 9 votes on Colby. Say he’s a Wolf for the sake of argument, and that the other Wolves want to save him. There’s only six of them. This game differs from most in that Town can ALMOST disregard a Scum swaying of the lynch. Granted, they can log onto one candidate, but it would be tantamount to suicidal for all of them to join together on one person. Persuasion has to be the Scum’s standard method of operation here, and that will be most effective at the EoD. But the EoD is on a Sunday, which is usually less busy in a Mafia game. It’ll be harder for them to work shenanigans to save Colby. (Of course, Colby may very well be Town, I don’t know. He’s statistically more likely to be, in any case.) ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/774 "2017-01-13T02:07:11Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I know that. But you said “I’m far more suspicious of players who double down on a shitty d1 vote because that screams to me of scum who have found a “safe” place to put a vote down and want to stay there. Everyone who is still on the colby wagon is suspicious to me because of that - it’s just placing an easy vote.” > > So, if this isn’t referring to TexCat, who is it referring to? You said everyone who is still on the Colby wagon is suspicious for that. Except TexCat. But then you left your vote on TexCat. Do you see? I voted TexCat because she started the colby wagon. She was the one who picked up on the so called “scum slip”. When I’m talking about people who joined the wagon Texcat is the one person I could not possibly be talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/775 "2017-01-13T02:20:28Z")
Unvote Colby11 Vote Toejam I’ve been thinking of Colby’s defense of his statement and how undefensive it was. I think it mirrors my own response to people voting against me. On day one without any voting records or solid data any vote is going to based on nonsense. As a town person it feels hopeless to defend yourself because every town person will be suspicious no matter what you say. However, if you are scum, then you are part of a small team that supports you and defending yourself feels less hopeless. This is still a flimsy day one vote based on very little evidence, but I’m voting for Toejam for being too defensive. Upon rereading Colby’s incriminating statement, I think it was just bad grammar rather than a scum tell. If he were on one scum team talking about the other team, why would he think most of the fire would come from the other team? There is no reason why one scum team would be more violent than the other. Is there? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/776 "2017-01-13T02:26:59Z")
still posting from ICU (Intensive Care Unit)- sorry If I seem dis jointed/ My current most suspect player is first post in response to [Hockey Monkey post 152](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19905664&postcount=152) > [@Lakai](#): > > This is pretty good reason to start a lynching mob. Who is in charge of handing out the pitch forks? > > Vote: Colby11 at first I thought this was a joke of some sort, sarcasm even but then: [response to vote by SNF](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19908566&postcount=295) > [@Lakai](#): > > Or maybe just has a day job, sees evidence that convinces a number of other posters to vote for someone and then decides the evidence is sufficient enough to cast his own vote? > > I would ask everyone to consider what **DiggitCamara** wrote up thread, that a defense of player with very little evidence is more suspicious than a vote for a player with very little evidence. There is little evidence for any vote and everyone has to vote for someone, but not everyone has to defend someone. most of us are grown ups with jobs- that has naught to do with anything. What evidence besides > [@](#): > > "“I think the fire is probably from the other team, or an arsonist” by Colby and the votes on him,did you see/ponder before you decided on your vote? What are you considering defending? From what I see you are referencing the players that don’t like the reasoning for the vote, not necessarilly defending the player in question. \* \*\*And it isn’t even your origional idea but someone elses \*\*\* and ’ very little evidence’ is all we have toDay - town being the team with the least. and if you use the logic that you are parroting, you are voting incorrectly as well. that is the total of 'is posts toDay \*\* Lakia\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/777 "2017-01-13T02:27:19Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Why does it only mean he can’t self-protect? How can someone protect him without risking the ricochet? (There might be a better term for that, but I’ve dubbed it a ricochet in my head.) Oh no, you’re right about the richocet. I’m an idiot. Serves me right for trying to think when I’m tired. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/778 "2017-01-13T02:33:06Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > It’s right in the rules for win conditions. > > “Win Conditions > Win conditions will be checked in the following order every Dawn and every Dusk: > Town Wins! if all 14 Scum players are dead. > Mafia Wins! if the total number of living Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Wolves. > Wolves Win! if the total number of living Wolves is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Mafia. > Third party win conditions are checked after checking all three of the above. **Thus, a Town win supersedes an exclusive third party win even if both occur simultaneously**.” > > My bolding. Town wins a tie between town and an \*\*exclusive \*\*third party. Town and a **non-exclusive** third party/team both win in a tie is the way I read it. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/779 "2017-01-13T02:38:17Z")
and… I see you , **Lakai**. Have posted and unvoted whilst I was composing. Although rather well said \* could be rehearsed\* your response time does suggest it. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/780 "2017-01-13T02:38:25Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Oh no, you’re right about the richocet. I’m an idiot. Serves me right for trying to think when I’m tired. I don’t think that’s dumb. We have a lot of moving pieces here! I should know the roles by heart after futzing around with them to make the list I did upthread, but I still don’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=40)