# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/781 "2017-01-13T02:43:08Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > and… I see you , **Lakai**. Have posted and unvoted whilst I was composing. > Although rather well said \* could be rehearsed\* your response time does suggest it. [oog] Does anyone know how SilverJan is doing [/oog] ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/782 "2017-01-13T02:44:38Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I know that. But you said “I’m far more suspicious of players who double down on a shitty d1 vote because that screams to me of scum who have found a “safe” place to put a vote down and want to stay there. Everyone who is still on the colby wagon is suspicious to me because of that - it’s just placing an easy vote.” > > So, if this isn’t referring to TexCat, who is it referring to? You said everyone who is still on the Colby wagon is suspicious for that. Except TexCat. But then you left your vote on TexCat. Do you see? If it helps any, jsgoddess, I see what you are saying/asking. not sure how too rephrase it so Scat gets the question though ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/783 "2017-01-13T02:45:44Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > and… I see you , **Lakai**. Have posted and unvoted whilst I was composing. > Although rather well said \* could be rehearsed\* your response time does suggest it. _sigh_ You can’t escape the paranoia of this town. Out of curiosity, what was it about my response time that was suspicious? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/784 "2017-01-13T02:50:11Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > _sigh_ > > You can’t escape the paranoia of this town. Out of curiosity, what was it about my response time that was suspicious? EVERYTHING. And you breathe weird. And I’m pretty sure you type like scum types. _twitch_ ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/785 "2017-01-13T02:54:50Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > If it helps any, jsgoddess, I see what you are saying/asking. not sure how too rephrase it so Scat gets the question though Well explain it to me. From my point of view I am voting Texcat because she jumped all over a completely textbook colby thing to do. My other point was about people who were happy to jump on a wagon and stay there. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/786 "2017-01-13T02:54:55Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > EVERYTHING. And you breathe weird. And I’m pretty sure you type like scum types. _twitch_ Is it weird that you sound just like my girlfriend? ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/787 "2017-01-13T03:01:12Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > and… I see you , **Lakai**. Have posted and unvoted whilst I was composing. > Although rather well said \* could be rehearsed\* your response time does suggest it. This is the second or third time I’ve seen reference to a post seeming “rehearsed”. How would that work, exactly? This is a text medium, isn’t everything going to be “rehearsed” to some degree? I review my posts for typos, to make sure they make sense, to make sure I’m not too much of a jackass etc. Really, it behooves any player to review their words before posting, and consider how those words will look to others. I would much prefer Town to “rehearse” their posts to some degree, so as not to seem inadvertently scummy. “This behavior can’t seem scummy because I’m not scum” is how Townies get mislynched. I really don’t understand this idea of a post seeming “rehearsed.” ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/788 "2017-01-13T03:23:06Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > EVERYTHING. And you breathe weird. And I’m pretty sure you type like scum types. _twitch_ Scathach, you have to admit that my reasons for voting Colby are better than breathing weird.:rolleyes: \*\* Waits for someone to say that’s just how Lakai breathes. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/789 "2017-01-13T03:31:29Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Come on, Zeriel, go hard. You know you want to. I think I may just end up coiling up for an explosion on day 3-4. I tried putting this game into the vote-order-predict-o-matic spreadsheet that’s usually given me some great results in past games, and it’s still a pile of nonsense. =P ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/790 "2017-01-13T03:35:10Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > My name is _Plumpudding_, thank you very much. What’s a Plump Udding? _ducks_ ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/791 "2017-01-13T03:43:22Z")
In keeping with some others, I am unexpectedly going out of town this weekend after work tomorrow. I’m comfortable with my vote, and I’m going to try to keep up with reading the thread, but posting volume will likely diminish. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/792 "2017-01-13T04:11:41Z")
Sorry. First for coloring and adding musical notes to my claim; more importantly for being forced to claim. It’s a duty of a Town Power to avoid becoming one of the Lynch leaders, and I certainly failed. For this and other reasons when I click on my role PM, I always hope it says Vanilla Town. No. This time it says I am the Town EMT. And it was increasingly likely that I’d need to claim. Discussing me had become a distraction, both for me and for Town in general. If not Lynched toDay, I’d be the default Lynchee on Day 2. There was little sign that my comments had reduced suspicion. Several of the voters seemed in for the long haul; some of the non-voters had an FOS on me. Questions were being directed at me repeatedly; my answers provoked more accusation and more questions; my attention was drifting away from Scum-hunting (and Town-hunting — “Dammit Jim, I’m a Doctor not a Detective!”). I decided to get it over with. _ **And I would need to claim** _ or stay awake until 3AM, less than 2 days from now (not 3 days as someone just wrote). As long as I was suspected — and suspicions were increasing, not decreasing — I could easily be Lynched in a few minutes at EOD, for example if Colby claimed Town Power. > [@sachertorte](#): > > I was on Total Lost for her handling of a possible ‘soft claim,’ but septimus’s actual claim is NOT Total Lost’s fault. septimus was free to not claim if he so chose. Really, it was the VOTES that pushed septimus to claim, if anything. But choosing to claim is totally on septimus. Was he even in the lead? My recollection is that Colby was in the lead. But septimus did warn us that he would claim early since he would not be around for End of Day. > > Although, now that I type that out, didn’t septimus claim around the same time End of Day would be (different days of course, I mean around the same hour of day). Yes, I was free NOT to Claim — you’d have ended end up with a Town Power dead. Would all y’all have preferred that? I thought of “soft claiming” (“I am a Town Power. Do you really want to know which one?”). I do NOT think that would have had an effect. @ **Total** — would you have happily Unvoted me after a soft claim like that? Even with the hard claim, Unvotes have not really flurried in rapidly. And note that Wolves (the Night-time killers) may decide that a Day-time protector is more help than hindrance to them. They’d be more likely to Kill me if my Power were certain but undisclosed. Mafia won’t try to Kill me either: obviously I’ll be self-protecting now. As for “didn’t septimus claim around the same time End of Day would be”, (1) A lot can happen between 2:08 AM and 3AM, or (2) are we now going to question whether EOD comes at 3AM my time? Discussing my personal life would be a digression; let’s just say that I’d prefer not to feel obliged to keep awake and tuned into SDMB until 3AM for worry about misLynch. Answering **Total** again, _I was not worried about Scum Killing me_ because of Scum hints — **as I said previously** , _I’m too easily misLynched for Scum to bother with_ unless my Power role is certain. > [@Chronos](#): > > It’s somewhat moot now that **septimus** has fully claimed, but **Total Lost** was absolutely correct to question him. He said something that made it look an awful lot like he has a power role. Scum, having many pairs of eyes on the lookout, and who are specifically looking for clues to power roles, almost certainly spotted it… > In short: **septimus** ’ soft-claim (deliberately or not) put the game state into a relatively bad position for Town. **Total** ’s question about it improved the game state. _ **Wrong.** _ Read my previous paragraph. But I take full blame for the “premature” claim. I should have posted little and thought like a Scum (“What vote should I make to avoid accusations against me?”) rather than posting and voting sincerely like a Vanilla Townie. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/793 "2017-01-13T04:16:22Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Scathach, you have to admit that my reasons for voting Colby are better than breathing weird.:rolleyes: \*\* Waits for someone to say that’s just how Lakai breathes. \*\* Sure, if you will admit that I never even implied anything remotely like that. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/794 "2017-01-13T04:17:29Z")
Hey! **Pleonast!** In [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19906400&postcount=192) post 192, I suspected you of trying to address your comments to your Scum teammates rather than to Town. Your rebuttal, part of a long omnibus post 241, completely misses the point: > [@](#): > > Because I’m concerned about what Scum might do. Each Scum team is figuring out how to counter town roles on their own boards. Why should we help them by discussing what we might do? > > Instead, let’s talk about what they might do, so that each town role can better decide for themself (without possibly accidently revealing their tactics here) what to do about it. > > (An aside: have so many of us forgotten how scum play the game?) In the next paragraph of the same post, you snuggle me for doing some analysis on the protector roles. I call you out on the evasion in post 253: > [@](#): > > That doesn’t address the issue at all. It’s one thing to think of a possible Scum strategy and come up with ways to counter it (which might very well involve advising Town power roles on how they should play). But if you think of a good Scum strategy which you can’t identify a way to counter, why would you bring that up? It’s just doing the scum’s work for them. > > Ordinarily, I would just see this as poor play without scum motivation; if you were really scum wanting to discuss strategy with your teammates, you could just do it on the scum board. But in the case of this particular strategy, which involves not reading the scum board, there is obvious scum motivation. It reads to me like you could be scum advising your teammates on how to play and/or hinting to them that you are that seventh guy who didn’t show up to chat. Since then, you have posted five times, giving your reads on or interacting with _ten_ other players. Two of those posts referred back to your snuggle of me. And yet, you still haven’t responded to this post. **vote Pleonast** ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/795 "2017-01-13T04:22:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **septimus** : > > And note that Wolves (the Night-time killers) may decide that a Day-time protector is more help than hindrance to them. They’d be more likely to Kill me if my Power were certain but undisclosed. Mafia won’t try to Kill me either: obviously I’ll be self-protecting now. That’s an interesting point: If you’re self-protecting, the Mafia wants to kill you (because you can block their kills) but can’t, and the Wolves can kill you (via the Outrider) but might not want to (because you can’t block their kills anyway). And you making that point actually causes me to lean Townie on you. Because that sort of detailed thinking about one specific role is what I’d expect from the person who actually has that role. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/796 "2017-01-13T04:25:07Z")
**unvote septimus** I’ll reinstate my original vote **vote Toejam** This vote was originally for the derpclear in Night 0, but his subsequent posts are even worse - see #568 for an analysis by **HookerChemical**. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/797 "2017-01-13T04:27:42Z")
Sorry again. I seem irritated in my last post. I should have toned it down after preview but, just as with the Role Claim 9 hours ago, I clicked Post just to “get it over with.” ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I like the Giraffe Board vote-counter which shows unvotes. I even have a copy of that perl-script which I’ve hacked up to allow multiple voting, to recognize some of the blue Vote combinations the original script was missing, and to fold aliases together (“ToeJam” = “Toe Jam” = “Toejam”). Lack of the “perpage=50000” option, which Giraffe pointed out, is only a minor nuisance — you can read all the pages and concatenate them together. I tried running that script on this thread. One problem is that the original script insists that Voters be bolded and many here are not. A more mysterious problem is that some votee names disappear. My knowledge of perl is zero (except for hacking that script) and it’s hard for me to test an on-line version. In the absence of other volunteers I may post vote summaries developed off-line. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/798 "2017-01-13T04:34:04Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the protector-killers are mostly irrelevant here. They only mean that Septimus can’t self-protect. Otherwise he’s more vulnerable to a factional kill, and we do have a role that can protect him from that. As has been pointed out, the hitman/outrider will take out all protectors on a target, including the target himself if he’s self-protecting. The WIFOM does come in, though, in that each faction’s kill happens in the opposite half-cycle of their powers. Which means the scum power being used has to occur simultaneously with the opposite faction’s kill. And the killing faction may have a different idea of who they want to target. So it’s really up to the protective roles to use their best judgement on this. > [@Scathach](#): > > I voted TexCat because she started the colby wagon. She was the one who picked up on the so called “scum slip”. When I’m talking about people who joined the wagon Texcat is the one person I could not possibly be talking about. I think the issue people have is that you are saying you find other people on the Colby wagon more suspicious, yet you are still voting Texcat. This makes no sense. **vote scathach** This is mostly a prod vote to get you to explain what you mean. And to stop ducking the questions from others that are trying to get you to explain. It’s a weak vote because I can’t see any motivation for you to do this whether it be scum, town, or 3rd party. But I really want to understand your logic here. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/799 "2017-01-13T04:37:15Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And I think that multi-lynch isn’t always pro-Town, but there are some situations where it is, and thus it’s good to have the ability. For instance, there will come a time in the mid or late game when we mass-claim. At that point, we’ll probably end up with a bunch of confirmed Townies at once, by virtue of the unique roles, and we’ll want to start aggressively thinning the unconfirmed pool (in fact, some games end up in a “forced win” for Town, if there are enough confirmed that Scum can’t keep up). Multilynching is extremely useful for that. This will need a larger than usual crowd of confirmed town, as scum get 2 kills per cycle rather than just 1. So multilynching will be essential. In regard to multilynching, I am a bit concerned about the third lynch, as this will only need a small number of votes. For example, when we are down to 20 players, the third lynch will need just 2 votes. If the votes finish as 7-7-2-1-1-1-1 then that third lynch could have easily been any of 5 different people. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/800 "2017-01-13T04:45:35Z")
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