# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/861 "2017-01-13T16:53:54Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Sigh, > > While it’s probably fairly obvious \*\* > Septimus only has 2 votes not three. That’s why there are only 2 names after his vote tally. > > \*\* > > Good lord. No wonder we aren’t trusted. Well, that and you spelled my name wrong - Unless there is a beewha also playing! Not sure if it matters - just wanted to point it out in case it did. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/862 "2017-01-13T16:56:39Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Well, that and you spelled my name wrong - Unless there is a beewha also playing! > > Not sure if it matters - just wanted to point it out in case it did. I stand by all name spellings. I contend that it is YOU who is spelling your own name wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/863 "2017-01-13T16:57:03Z")
Quickie post before I get into the meat of the matter: For now (until there’s a counterclaim, and I don’t think now is the right time for one if that’s an issue), I choose to believe the EMT claim. My initial thought, before it got to that point, was that I was going to do a WoW on septimus, as I wasn’t quite sure what to think of that particular bandwagon yet. Now that he’s claimed, I think I’ll instead do an analysis of the votes on him. I have an hour and a half to work on this, and then I have a meeting. I’ll get going on that. Can’t remember who asked, but I know that I’ve had this vote on Meeko for a while. I still find him suspicious, but I have that on record, so we can come back and look at it later. For now, I’m going to see what I can find from the septimus voters. I’m also fairly suspicious of the two people who were suspicious of colby but didn’t vote, so I might do a couple of WoWs on them if I have time. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/864 "2017-01-13T16:57:51Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > My reaction would depend upon the claim and the justifications for delaying, rather than claiming Day 1. I think there are situations that justify not being \*completely \*transparent, like the one we, you and me, just outlined regarding a Patsy claim. I don’t see your logic. If a player says" the patsy should claim D1"and sticks to it all Day.But later in the game ( under pressure probably) claim patsy= Lynch Them. > [@](#): > > I guess you’ve heard this time and again, but a claim of vanilla limits the pool of potential powers scum have to guess from, by one. Varies from game to game how compromising that is, but it might scum, while not helping town at all since we can’t take your word for it. He has, it does. both **Pleo and Idle** don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/865 "2017-01-13T17:00:02Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Promoted Slogan - Town the other White Meat > –paid for by the Doperville Werewolf Farmer Coalition Who is the smart ass wolf? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/866 "2017-01-13T17:01:04Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Okay, formula-based scumhunting (LtL) is what I do on D1 and maybe D2, before we have any date from votes and Night activities. My analyses have provided me with a small base that has an 85% chance of producing at least one Scum. It is terribly limited in that it does NOT provide me a way of choosing which one. Since D1 is a crapshoot anyway, it seems a better place for me to set my vote than on someone who, by the very fact they are participating, is more likely to make an error if Scum. > > In this go-round, remember, even the Scum are paranoid, 'cause they have to worry about the other team. That means we have (ideally) 50+ people combing over every sentence posted, and the best we have toDay is a possible clearing of septimus and (maybe) Idle. Everyone else is necessarily suspect, and those who aren’t playing much do sneak under the radar. > > Of course, closer to EoD, I will probably change my vote to whichever one of the pack leaders looks the most scummy to me, as I see a singleton vote as pretty much a throwaway and scummy in and of itself. YMMV. > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > No, there’s been no clearing of Idle. He merely claimed vanilla Town. > > The game we played together was one of my first ones. I’ve hopefully developed my play style since then. I find myself a bit confused - how could Idle end up as (maybe) cleared? > [@Plumpudding](#): > > Agreed. Essentially what me and raventhief (I think?) was trying to get at - by making septimus confirm yes/no, something vague (not necessarily bad, remember) turns concrete. We’re not dealing in absolutes, and for town to try to force thing into one, from LtL, to policy-voting, to third-on-a-wagon-is-always-scum etc. sort of misses the point, IMO. Yes, that was what I was trying to convey. Questioning is not, I think, in and of itself scummy - but TL’s reaction to being questioned on it pinged for me. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/867 "2017-01-13T17:02:03Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > No, there’s been no clearing of Idle. He merely claimed vanilla Town. > > The game we played together was one of my first ones. I’ve hopefully developed my play style since then. I mean the game we just played on Giraffe. I’m Renata there. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/868 "2017-01-13T17:03:37Z")
**I voted post 776 I see the word ‘vote’ is missing- I will fix that in the future** ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/869 "2017-01-13T17:06:37Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I find myself a bit confused - how could Idle end up as (maybe) cleared? > > Yes, that was what I was trying to convey. Questioning is not, I think, in and of itself scummy - but TL’s reaction to being questioned on it pinged for me. Idle isn’t cleared. I was in error. He merely claimed. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/870 "2017-01-13T17:09:58Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > **I voted post 776 I see the word ‘vote’ is missing- I will fix that in the future** I did see that, but yeah, please re-vote. In fact, if you like, unvote and revote so we can see it. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/871 "2017-01-13T17:10:09Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > This is a good point.Although the real EMT or any Wolf/Mafia character would have thought of this as well. > And it is a great way to smudge the claimed EMT > not saying that is your intent- but it is another point to note I’m not sure what the point of this post is. The real EMT wouldn’t have any thought process like mine, since they would know septimus was lying. It doesn’t matter to them whether he’s Wolf or Mafia. A Mafia player very likely could have had this thought process, but why would I bring it up if I’m Mafia? “Hey guys, I have this idea for a great fake claim. Now that you’ve used it, I’m going to explain to Town exactly why it’s a great claim!” I’m not sure what the logic there is for Wolf though. A Wolf wouldn’t know that septimus was lying anymore than a non-EMT Town would. (All of this is working from the assumption that septimus is fake claiming Mafia of course) What you seem to be ignoring however is that Town _should_ be skeptical of role claims. Skepticism doesn’t mean disbelieve, nor does it mean we shouldn’t unvote him. It just means to be aware that there exists the possibility that he’s lying. To do otherwise is to beg to be led around by the nose by scum. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/872 "2017-01-13T17:11:52Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I mean the game we just played on Giraffe. I’m Renata there. Ah. I misremembered who you were here. Sorry 'bout that. Over on the Giraffe Board I have dropped LtL as a play form because: 1. Everybody and his or her brother hates it. With a passion. 2. I have gained sufficient Meta knowledge of the most of the players to work from that. 3. When I first started using it, I had hoped it would be more effective. It doesn’t actually work any better than any other system, but it does work in its own limited way. The real problem is getting others to implement it, 'cause it doesn’t work if only I vote that way. See #1 above. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/873 "2017-01-13T17:15:16Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I don’t see your logic. If a player says" the patsy should claim D1"and sticks to it all Day.But later in the game ( under pressure probably) claim patsy= Lynch Them. You add the qualifier “under pressure”. I said my reaction would depend upon the circustances. You can’t foresee a circumstance where the Patsy claims unprovoked later in the game, while having advocated for a Day 1 claim, where such a claim could be believable? I can, but again it depends on the circumstances, not only later in the game, also earlier in the game. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/874 "2017-01-13T17:25:07Z")
We have three (3!) investigative roles, Seer, Homicide detective, and Journalist. One of those will find scum sooner, probably rather than later. As soon as they do, we’ll have a Patsy claim by the scum, and Patsy will have to CC. It would be much better for Patsy to claim now. This means that [ul] [li]Investigators don’t waste their investigations on them[/li][li]Scum won’t be able to later claim Patsy[/li][li]When investigators do find scum, they’ll know they are scum and not the Patsy[/li][/ul] (CC = counterclaim) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/875 "2017-01-13T17:35:13Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > **I voted post 776 I see the word ‘vote’ is missing- I will fix that in the future** We were pretty clear on what a valid vote was and was not. Sorry. The rules are there not for capriciousness but because it’s hard enough to count votes (note the fact that I get it wrong pretty much every time) when everything is formatted correctly. But we ain’t mad attcha. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/876 "2017-01-13T17:41:29Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > As far as town rehearsing, … There is ever so slightly a ping here for me, but I’m passing on it. I would push back on this, except…your playstyle strikes me as one that doesn’t necessarily employ the same filter as others might. I brought up a similar point to this in the most recent GB game (my first in 5 years) regarding “tactics”. I stated that I was “confused by someone’s tactics” and they stated that they “don’t have tactics, they’re Town”. But I think it’s at Town’s peril not to review our posts for how they may come across, and that power roles (all players really, but especially power roles) don’t have some sort of tactic to their play. Regardless of what team **Colby** is on, I’m betting he wishes he had reviewed his questionable post more thoroughly prior to making it. If he’s Town, _I_ certainly wish he had phrased things differently. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/877 "2017-01-13T17:42:56Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > I’m not sure what the point of this post is. The real EMT wouldn’t have any thought process like mine, since they would know septimus was lying. It doesn’t matter to them whether he’s Wolf or Mafia. A Mafia player very likely could have had this thought process, but why would I bring it up if I’m Mafia? “Hey guys, I have this idea for a great fake claim. Now that you’ve used it, I’m going to explain to Town exactly why it’s a great claim!” I’m not sure what the logic there is for Wolf though. A Wolf wouldn’t know that septimus was lying anymore than a non-EMT Town would. (All of this is working from the assumption that septimus is fake claiming Mafia of course) > > What you seem to be ignoring however is that Town _should_ be skeptical of role claims. Skepticism doesn’t mean disbelieve, nor does it mean we shouldn’t unvote him. It just means to be aware that there exists the possibility that he’s lying. To do otherwise is to beg to be led around by the nose by scum. the real EMT would have worked out that Mafia find 'im a threat and Wolves not so much. - why would you bring it up as Mafia\*? if it is the real EMT then Mafia/Wolves would smudge for sure ANY claimed Town power role if you can find a nitch in the armour is fair game for Scum. How am I ignoring a point that I also voiced? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/878 "2017-01-13T17:47:12Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Who is the smart ass wolf? A member of the coalition saw my for space several counts back paid the negotiated price and got a promoted slogan. The offer is still good, ask me how! Moderating MAFIA games isn’t as lucrative as you might expect. We do accept answers to trivia questions as a valid form of payment. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/879 "2017-01-13T17:50:57Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Sigh, > > While it’s probably fairly obvious \*\* > Septimus only has 2 votes not three. That’s why there are only 2 names after his vote tally. > > \*\* > > Good lord. No wonder we aren’t trusted. Well, as long as we’re nitpicking vote/count mismatches … Colby has “10 votes” but only 9 are shown Pleonast has “1 vote” but 2 are shown. Do the Mods maintain a complete journal of votes and unvotes similar to the one Prof. Pepperwinkle posted? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/880 "2017-01-13T17:53:50Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Well, as long as we’re nitpicking vote/count mismatches … > Colby has “10 votes” but only 9 are shown > Pleonast has “1 vote” but 2 are shown. > > Do the Mods maintain a complete journal of votes and unvotes similar to the one Prof. Pepperwinkle posted? The shown votes are accurate. The numbers might not be. I’ll fix that in a few minutes with a full update. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=45)