# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/921 "2017-01-13T22:35:11Z")
I hit “post” instead of “preview” humble apologies for formatting and editing errors on that monster of a post. I feel I have popped my Mafia cherry with that one. 😃 If it’s TL;DR for the lot of you, could you just skim to the question at the end? I would really appreciate input on my vote. Note sure about how the shenanigans go at the End of Day. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/922 "2017-01-13T22:45:01Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I agree with you that Day 1 is mostly a crapshoot. > > I don’t fully agree that a successful Day 1 lynch is “anything but luck”…but I can’t blame you too much for feeling that way. > > But whatever you think about Day 1, your apparent strategy of “analysis doesn’t matter” is flawed. This is not a One Day game/ Analysis on Day 1, even if it does not help us Today, may prove useful later. Things that do not seem terribly significant on Day 1 may turn out to be part of a pattern after additional analysis - but only if they are pointed out in the first place. Scum who make statements on Day 1 are forced to stick to them in subsequent Days, often to their detriment. And we have many brilliant players who excel as provoking useful statements from others. I am not one of those, and have never been. It eludes me. Nonetheless, I will go back over D1 (and N0 if time permits) on Saturday, and should have something reasonable to use as a vote for EoD. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/923 "2017-01-13T22:55:09Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I hit “post” instead of “preview” humble apologies for formatting and editing errors on that monster of a post. I feel I have popped my Mafia cherry with that one. 😃 > > If it’s TL;DR for the lot of you, could you just skim to the question at the end? I would really appreciate input on my vote. Note sure about how the shenanigans go at the End of Day. > > Thank you. some players stay on their #1 Scum no matter Some jump to a lynch candidate that is close to being lynched You have to decide which you are and when ( you can do either at any time) but you will be held accountable for it. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/924 "2017-01-13T23:15:17Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > So from all this, I think we should give a harder look at **Captain Klutz** and **sachertorte**. I’d like **Pleonast** and **Normal Phase** to comment a bit more about the soft-claim situation, and what you knew and didn’t know about it when you made your votes and unvotes. **Hoopy Frood** looks very Town here. I don’t remember taking note of the soft claim when I voted Septimus. When I unvoted him, I had seen some posts talking about him claiming, but I was under the impression that was all about Total Lost pushing on the soft claim. I didn’t notice the hard claim until after I had unvoted him. If you isolate my posts, you will see me noticing it. As an aside, I find it interesting (really interesting, not “interesting”) that you have sachertorte and CK looking suspicious here and Hoopy Frood not, because based on what I have read I’d have put all three of them as the exact opposite. I’ll have to take note of them when I try to finish catching up tonight/tomorrow. I am going to try never again to miss such big chunks of the conversation, because going back through days-old posts is brutal and I dislike it intensely. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/925 "2017-01-13T23:16:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > (and yeah, I’m a bit uncomfortable about talk of snuggling connecting me to **Thing Fish** , but what can you do?) If that refers to my earlier post, I’m not trying to connect the two of you except to say I generally agree with your commentary. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/926 "2017-01-13T23:23:55Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Yes, sort of. That is what they stated. It seemed weak to me. Let’s look at it. The final vote change. **Suburban Plankton** , Post 541. This was a very long post. He did go and look at the entire posting history, and list it, of **PlumPudding**. There was a longer bit preceding this that pertained to other posts, so this is a shortened post. > > This post really nags at me. **Suburban Plankton** states that he still thinks that **Colby** is scum, but he’s moving his vote anyway. He’s moving it to a person who almost certainly will not get enough votes to actually get lynched. I am new at this but the very elaborate nature of this vote move struck me as most likely to be scum trying to protect a teammate, while hiding behind numbers and statistics. > > My gut call here now is that **Colby** and **Suburban Plankton** are both scum. It wouldn’t surprise me if **Plumpudding** was too. I guess the real test on SP will be whether or not he moves his vote back to Colby if that proves necessary near end of day. > [@](#): > > Thank you for bringing this up/expanding on this. I have been wondering what happens with a fake claim. Wouldn’t the real EMT say something though? Or does that expose the real EMT to un-necessary risk too early in the game? Usually a person with a true counterclaim will counterclaim. A minority of players will try to fancy it up for one reason or another. > [@](#): > > I ask you, my brothers and sisters, what to do? Should I move my vote to Colby? It’s not needed, but it won’t be useful where it is now. Or should I leave it on ToeJam in order to keep in place a solid second candidate in case something strange happens late in the Day? > > All advice greatly appreciated. As a rule I prefer two wagons to one (and three wagons to two, and four to three, and …). It gives more information later. You can always move your vote to Colby very late in the day if you find him to be more scummy when it comes right down to it. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/927 "2017-01-13T23:29:39Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > In other news: I think I may have actually found a genuine Scum slip. It’d been bugging me for a while, but I finally got the time to go back and look for the exact post and who made it. In [N0.292](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19899878&postcount=292), **Thing Fish** was summarizing the known roles. > > Except that the Understudy isn’t one-shot: They completely assume the role they’re replacing. But the Mook and the Whelp are. This might mean that **Thing Fish** read the Mook/Whelp role first, before the Understudy, skimmed, and assumed that it worked the same way. And why would he have read a Scum role before a Town one? Possibly because he got it in a PM, possibly because he scrolled down to check his own team’s roles before reading Town’s. That’s good enough for me, on Day 1. > > ]Unvote jsgoddess > Vote Thing Fish > > (and yeah, I’m a bit uncomfortable about talk of snuggling connecting me to **Thing Fish** , but what can you do?) Or he read the Understudy first, and what he remembered of that role got overridden with the later information from the other two roles. Huge meh, Chronos. Thing Fish’s posting has been among the most townie-looking of anyone overall. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/928 "2017-01-13T23:43:32Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I ask you, my brothers and sisters, what to do? Should I move my vote to Colby? It’s not needed, but it won’t be useful where it is now. Or should I leave it on ToeJam in order to keep in place a solid second candidate in case something strange happens late in the Day? > > All advice greatly appreciated. For the moment, place your vote on whichever one you feel is most likely to be Scum. As the End of Day gets closer, eventually we’ll reach a point where you might consider moving your vote to one of your “second place candidates” if your first choice is obviously not going to be lynched, but personally I don’t think we’re at that stage yet… But there’s nothing inherently wrong with leaving a vote on a “losing” candidate; at the very least it’s part of the voting record, and that fact may pay dividends down the line. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I guess the real test on SP will be whether or not he moves his vote back to Colby if that proves necessary near end of day. Yes, I suppose that will be the test. Of course, unless another candidate presents themselves, it may not come down to that. If \*\*Colby \*\*doesn’t come back to the game before Dusk, odds are that the current voting margin stays or grows larger, and my vote will not be needed. And if Colby does come back and makes a claim, it may well be that everyone will unvote him, and again, my vote will not be needed. In fact, I stand a pretty good chance of being able to skate through the rest of the Day with my vote right where it is. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/929 "2017-01-14T00:28:47Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > That means we have (ideally) 50+ people combing over every sentence posted, and the best we have toDay is a possible clearing of septimus and (maybe) Idle. Everyone else is necessarily suspect, and those who aren’t playing much do sneak under the radar. 1. Septimus is not cleared. 2. Why is Idle maybe cleared? Did I miss something? He merely claimed Vanilla Town that’s worth…well nothing. 3. Why are you so trusting of both provoked and unprovoked claims,…hmmm. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/930 "2017-01-14T00:49:09Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I don’t remember taking note of the soft claim when I voted Septimus. When I unvoted him, I had seen some posts talking about him claiming, but I was under the impression that was all about Total Lost pushing on the soft claim. I didn’t notice the hard claim until after I had unvoted him. If you isolate my posts, you will see me noticing it. > > As an aside, I find it interesting (really interesting, not “interesting”) that you have sachertorte and CK looking suspicious here and Hoopy Frood not, because based on what I have read I’d have put all three of them as the exact opposite. I’ll have to take note of them when I try to finish catching up tonight/tomorrow. > > I am going to try never again to miss such big chunks of the conversation, because going back through days-old posts is brutal and I dislike it intensely. That’s what it looked like from you. FWIW, I’ve had a Town-leaning read from you all game, but I always think you’re Town because our play styles are very similar and we agree on a lot. Which is why I’m amused that we came to the opposite conclusion on our reads from the septimus situation. Can you elaborate on why you find CK Townie and HF not? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/931 "2017-01-14T01:14:46Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I, of course, would like to invite everyone to come on board the spacious and comfortable **Pleonast** bandwagon, with gourmet coffee and free wi-fi. > > Having said that, thoughts on the vote leaders and other dubious characters: > > I am really fine with lynching \*\*Colby \*\*today. I think there is a small but not insignificant chance that the Slip might actually have been a slip, and I think it’s a decent Day One lynch. > > I would like to reread if I had time, but the case against **Toejam** also seems decent. > > I think the case against **Angel** is bogus. There is no good reason for her to draw attention to herself as Scum, and for her to point that out isn’t remotely scummy. I am the first to say that Town must be eternally vigilant and never underestimate the awesome power of a scummy **Angel** , but this wagon is lame and I fart in the general direction of all of you on it, particularly **Boozahol** , whose interactions with\*\* Angel\*\* were notably scummy. > > I am kind of torn about **Lakai.** Several people voted him (?) for jumping on the Colby bandwagon, and I can see the argument that his vote seemed like the laziest one on the wagon. Then in defending himself, he cited **Diggit’s** horribly anti-town opinion that defending another player is scummy. It is notable to me that three of the people on his wagon are lurkers (though I am sure we wouldn’t be able to shut **snfaulkner** up if he weren’t sick…get better soon!), and the fourth is **Plumpudding** , who has been called out for fluffposting. > \*\* > Drain Bead\*\*, don’t you think it’s getting a bit late in the Day to keep your vote parked on **Meeko?** Sometimes its best to leave your votes on an one off to give a record for later that isn’t so hard to find. Last game I played I voted one off and that one off ended up being the last scum standing! Why are you pressuring for Drain to move his vote? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/932 "2017-01-14T01:17:01Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > That’s what it looked like from you. FWIW, I’ve had a Town-leaning read from you all game, but I always think you’re Town because our play styles are very similar and we agree on a lot. > > Which is why I’m amused that we came to the opposite conclusion on our reads from the septimus situation. Can you elaborate on why you find CK Townie and HF not? > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk CK had one post about the Patsy NOT claiming that seemed to me to be a townie thought process. HF I have it marked down post 798, and his next one after that, not liking, but I didn’t note down why. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/933 "2017-01-14T01:18:28Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > CK had one post about the Patsy NOT claiming that seemed to me to be a townie thought process. > > HF I have it marked down post 798, and his next one after that, not liking, but I didn’t note down why. Although I do also have CK’s 348 (harping on the “your town” thing from Colby) as being terrible, so I guess not so much of a townread after all. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/934 "2017-01-14T01:19:39Z")
side bar re: the difference between here and Giraffe Boards. with the robot we have the advantage of being able to access the vote/unvote records of all players. Here- in this game- unvotes are not being tallied. the practice of voting your strongest scum lean " for the record" and later changing to your next best candidate for lynch. Is not officially recorded. where ever your final vote of the Day lands \* is the only fact that is ‘on the record’ \* ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/935 "2017-01-14T01:20:44Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > You got what we got. You are more than welcome to run your own bots or keep your own diaries. Dear Diary, Do you think NAF likes me? He’s ever so helpful! Not like that doodoo head Mahaloth. Why does he write in that awful doodoo brown text? What a doodoo head! And what happened to storyteller? Did the other two lock him in a cage? Do they force him to rub lotion on its skin lest they turn the hose on him? Anyway, I have to and do homework reading about petty issues about wolves a Mafia and slips and whatnot. Until later, -Nate > [@Chronos](#): > > … > > In other news: I think I may have actually found a genuine Scum slip…It’d been bugging me for a while, but I finally got the time to go … This might be meh, like Normal Phase says, but I’m still intrigued. Not enough to change my vote yet though. But l have taken note of it for future consideration. > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > True, thank you. I’m learning as I go. 🙂 I think you are doing great so far. Especially for this monster game. > [@](#): > > Thank you for bringing this up/expanding on this. I have been wondering what happens with a fake claim. Wouldn’t the real EMT say something though? I’ve seen fake claims by both town and scum win games (angel’s done both). However, I’ve rarely ever seen a counterclaim, and then only later in the game. So I’m kinda curious about the myself. You mentioned something about EoD shenanigans, but I seemed to have accidentally deleted that part of your quote. But anyway, EoD craziness is either the most fun to be had in mafia, or the worst. I can’t decide which. Although trying to participate in EoD on my phone is certainly awful. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/936 "2017-01-14T01:21:20Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > Sometimes its best to leave your votes on an one off to give a record for later that isn’t so hard to find. Last game I played I voted one off and that one off ended up being the last scum standing! Why are you pressuring for Drain to move his vote? Drain is a lady-type, I’m pretty sure. One offs are a good place for scum to hide at the end of the day. You can semi-bus a scumfellow or stay out of the way of tipping the vote onto a scumbuddy, depending on how circumstances lie. I don’t think that it’s necessarily best to insist that people join one of the top targets, but unless you have a good reason, it’s more helpful to see which case a player prefers amongst the more likely targets. Especially early on, when all we have are hunches and wild accusations. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/937 "2017-01-14T01:27:19Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Okay. So what? What was the point of all that? Why, are you suddenly suspicious of the people who were suspicious of septimus? Were you suspicious of these people before septimus’s claim? or only _after_? Why does septimus’s claim suddenly make this set of people suspect? > > I recall some chatter about being suspicious about Colby voters because of the perceived idea that the case was weak and opportunistic scum would like to jump on a ‘slip.’ I do not recall any similar reasoning involving septimus. Do you feel the case was weak and opportunistic? Did you state so? I stand by my statements and opinions regarding septimus’s posts. Furthermore, we aren’t even sure septimus isn’t scum anyway! > > So here’s what I think is happening. Drain Bead is suspicious of people for _being wrong_ (or possibly wrong as the current case stands). This is terrible reasoning. I don’t have any information, so of course I could be wrong. If being wrong about someone is suddenly a ‘case’ against them then this will be a very long game indeed. If you had a problem with my commentary on septimus, why didn’t you comment on it then? > > Furthermore, I would point out that the best way for me (and everyone else) NOT to be wrong about anything is to shut the fuck up and not post diddly squat. That doesn’t seem like a good idea, now does it? It’s not just that people are wrong. There were people on that list who looked more Town than not on that list of voters (Hoopy Frood), people who were in the middle (Pleo and NP), and people who looked scummy on the whole (you, and CK to a greater degree). It’s all about the vote analysis, vote timing, and the general feel of the arguments, which is why I decided to analyze it in depth. It’s not about being wrong on a wagon. Shit happens. (And it’s not guaranteed anyone is wrong, although absent a counterclaim I’m willing to give septimus the benefit of the doubt for now.) It’s more about how the wagon came to be in the first place. Your defense, such as it is, is part OMGUS and part an attempt to stifle analysis of vote records. I’m not sure how else to find Scum if I can’t look at the votes on a claimed Town power role and see what looks hinky. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/938 "2017-01-14T01:42:03Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > ~snip`~ > > In fact, I stand a pretty good chance of being able to skate through the rest of the Day with my vote right where it is. Speaking of a questionable ’ turn of phrase’. Scum \* would \* say that.^ ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/939 "2017-01-14T02:27:39Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > 1. As Scum, my goal is to trick Town into thinking I’m playing one of the above gambits. > > And in every case, I try to find scum and vote for them. It’s pretty easy to find scum in case three, though I highly doubt you vote for them. > [@](#): > > Because a claim while not under pressure indicates a willingness to trust. By claiming under pressure, it indicates the player did not trust us–so why should we trust them? This is utter BS. Players have a right not to trust, you especially. You just admitted you falsely claim, whether you are town or scum, if it suits you. Are you a special case?:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/940 "2017-01-14T02:30:40Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > side bar re: the difference between here and Giraffe Boards. > > with the robot we have the advantage of being able to access the vote/unvote records of all players. Here- in this game- unvotes are not being tallied. > > the practice of voting your strongest scum lean " for the record" and later changing to your next best candidate for lynch. > Is not officially recorded. where ever your final vote of the Day lands \* is the only fact that is ‘on the record’ \* All of it is “on the record”, in the sense that the posts containing the votes still exist and are available for anyone to see. Everyone is welcome to keep track of all votes and unvotes, and everyone else is free to check their work. And I know that I, at least, will certainly be tracking such. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=48)