# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1061 "2017-01-14T19:49:33Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > It wasn’t me who suggested that friendly third parties claim; I think that was Chronos. > > Angel’s interesting. I actually have a separate section in my notes of ‘Angel stuff’ because I respect her town game so much. And apparently she’s a dirty busser to boot. So if there’s not scum in her suspicions right now I’d be shocked. So far from what I’ve been able to take note of she’s criticized or expressed suspicion of Boozy, Drain, and Zeriel. Who are you on Giraffe? 😀 You can add Lakai to that list too. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1062 "2017-01-14T19:51:01Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Thanks, Prof. It does smack of a trick. Correcting myself. It was BillMc who thought it smacks of a trick. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1063 "2017-01-14T19:51:53Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > It didn’t go unnoticed, but I didn’t feel it needed a response at the time. > For reference, your Post 938: > > I was wondering if anyone would comment on that, actually. > > I put it there specifically to see if it would generate a reaction. It happens to have been a true statement: at the time, I did stand a pretty good chance of being able to get through the remainder of the Day without " > needing" to change my vote. > > Of course, by pointing that out, I pretty much destroyed any chance of that continuing to be the case, because it was almost certain that someone would comment on it (as you did). I had every intention, even at that time, to move my vote off of \*\*Plumpudding \*\*at some point (assuming that it would remain a on-off), but I didn’t feel like doing it just then. > > And you’re right, Scum would \*totally \*say that. with the chat and votes we have had about ‘slips’ I expected someone else to react as well. not the conversation generator I anticipated. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1064 "2017-01-14T20:00:01Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > I completely misunderstood Colby’s post and what he meant by fire. I didn’t realize he was talking about the way Dante was killed.\*\* I just thought he was talking about how there would be a lot of killings in the game because of the three teams.\*\* I read his statement out of context when someone else quoted him and made an ill informed decision to vote for him. When I defended him, I was still defending him based on a misunderstanding of what he said, and really none of my posts about Colby make any sense anymore. > > Again, I wasn’t placing much stock in my day one vote and I thought voting for someone at least would be the best thing I would do to get more information from other players. In return I guess I found out how many people would vote for me because of an ill informed vote. I guess that might be useful information and I hope it helps someone. underlining mine You thought this- \* before or after you voted ?\* ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1065 "2017-01-14T20:03:03Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Who are you on Giraffe? 😀 You can add Lakai to that list too. I’m Renata over there. I was super impressed with your day one reads last game. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1066 "2017-01-14T20:11:18Z")
If I’m correct, right now the vote leaders are: Colby - 9 votes Lakai - 8 votes ToeJam - 7 votes Angel - 5 votes. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1067 "2017-01-14T20:17:56Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Sorry, you lost me. (English is my 2nd language, may have something to do with it) You brought up the meta from prior games on Colby.When asked for specifics you posted links to examples. But not until you posted a disclaimer… To the tune of _“I’m not sure how comfortable I am posting this, but here you go.”_ if it was an uncomfortable situation why did you put yourself there? ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1068 "2017-01-14T20:21:53Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > My bold, you thought Colby was talking about what, firepower? I read it as fire in a metaphorical sense meaning carnage or aggression. > [@](#): > > What happened to your support of DiggitCamara’s sentiment that defending other players is scummy? I think you forgot to answer that. He said it as a blanket statement, I assumed you meant it as such, too. I said a defense of another player with little evidence is more suspicious than a vote for another player with little evidence. It’s a statement weighting the relative suspicion of two different behaviors. It’s not a statement that you can never defend someone. Someone voted for me for making a vote with little evidence and I was pointing out that my vote shouldn’t be suspicious for that reasoning because (a) all votes have little evidence behind them and (b) defending someone with little evidence is a more suspicious behavior. > [@](#): > > I don’t understand, could you elaborate? Wouldn’t interacting with others be a better way of getting information from other players? You vote for someone, people react to the vote and you can get information by how they react. It might not be the best way of getting information. I made the choice of doing it by voting and my choice could be wrong. I’m not perfect. > [@](#): > > True, but it does mean they’re contributing:p I don’t believe most of the analysis on day one helps anyone. I think scum have the advantage on day one because they have much more information and they are more likely to use analysis and what you call contributions to confuse people. Also, pointing the finger at many individuals is a good way of getting killed at night if you point it at the wrong person. It’s better to start analyzing once you have better evidence to support your theories. > [@](#): > > Only speaking for myself, but you insinuating it would be time to start a lynch-mob, your lackluster defense and “I’m persecuted for a joke” is also part of it. It was a vote to gain information and also a very misinformed vote as I later realized. I can’t really defend it at this point. > [@](#): > > My bold. Don’t you think all (well, some!) that could be of value further into the game? Also remember, there’s a good chance the rate of death will be fairly high in this game, better to voice your opinions while you have the chance, right? You’re up there right underneath Colby, there’s still time to start contributing instead of just limply defending. On Day One I think contributing too much could do more harm than good because of the reasons I mentioned above. I’m left with defending myself because I’m gathering votes. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1069 "2017-01-14T20:27:11Z")
I’m almost at the point of too scummy to be scum on Lakai right now. Being night killed as a reason not to contribute when you’re town? Since when? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1070 "2017-01-14T20:28:13Z")
Scum more likely to contribute day one than town are, for that matter? What the heck. 18 seconds … 6 seconds … ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1071 "2017-01-14T20:33:45Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > You brought up the meta from prior games on Colby.When asked for specifics you posted links to examples. > > But not until you posted a disclaimer… > > To the tune of > _“I’m not sure how comfortable I am posting this, but here you go.”_ > > if it was an uncomfortable situation why did you put yourself there? I was uncertain how uncomfortable I was, decided to do it regardless, since I’d already started. By the way, I didn’t find the mention of those games uncomfortable, only the linking. I indicated a certain level (kinda creepy, as in Biotop “stalking” his “prey”, unsure if I’m crossing a line or not) of uncomfortability, because I felt slightly uncomfortable doing it. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1072 "2017-01-14T20:35:05Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > I read it as fire in a metaphorical sense meaning carnage or aggression. > > I said a defense of another player with little evidence is more suspicious than a vote for another player with little evidence. It’s a statement weighting the relative suspicion of two different behaviors. It’s not a statement that you can never defend someone. Someone voted for me for making a vote with little evidence and I was pointing out that my vote shouldn’t be suspicious for that reasoning because (a) all votes have little evidence behind them and (b) defending someone with little evidence is a more suspicious behavior. You sound like you are making up things now that you are under the gallows and you have not addressed how you decide if it is defending a player, or questioning another’s logic or methods. > [@](#): > > You vote for someone, people react to the vote and you can get information by how they react. It might not be the best way of getting information. I made the choice of doing it by voting and my choice could be wrong. I’m not perfect. interacting with them is ever so much more effective > [@](#): > > I don’t believe most of the analysis on day one helps anyone. I think scum have the advantage on day one because they have much more information and they are more likely to use analysis and what you call contributions to confuse people. Scum have the advantage if Town all think like this they do > [@](#): > > Also, pointing the finger at many individuals is a good way of getting killed at night if you point it at the wrong person. It’s better to start analyzing once you have better evidence to support your theories. You are not willing to ‘ruffle any feathers’ or ‘take one for the team’ early in the game. Do you have an exclusive win-con? > [@](#): > > It was a vote to gain information and also a very misinformed vote as I later realized. I can’t really defend it at this point. " note to self, don’t make uninformed votes. Do your own homework." > [@](#): > > On Day One I think contributing too much could do more harm than good because of the reasons I mentioned above. I’m left with defending myself because I’m gathering votes. See MY comment above. This does not sound like a team player. If my vote was not already here it would be. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1073 "2017-01-14T20:38:03Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I’m almost at the point of too scummy to be scum on Lakai right now. Being night killed as a reason not to contribute when you’re town? Since when? 3P is quite likely with this mindset. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1074 "2017-01-14T20:44:06Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > I read it as fire in a metaphorical sense meaning carnage or aggression. :dubious: > [@Lakai](#): > > I said a defense of another player with little evidence is more suspicious than a vote for another player with little evidence. It’s a statement weighting the relative suspicion of two different behaviors. It’s not a statement that you can never defend someone. Someone voted for me for making a vote with little evidence and I was pointing out that my vote shouldn’t be suspicious for that reasoning because **(a) all votes have little evidence behind them and (b) defending someone with little evidence is a more suspicious behavior.** My bold. Doesn’t that depend entirely on context? Why all these blanket statements[not directed at just you]? > [@Lakai](#): > > You vote for someone, people react to the vote and you can get information by how they react. It might not be the best way of getting information. I made the choice of doing it by voting and my choice could be wrong. I’m not perfect. Why one or the other? Why not vote and interact both? > [@Lakai](#): > > I don’t believe most of the analysis on day one helps anyone. I think scum have the advantage on day one because they have much more information and they are more likely to use analysis and what you call contributions to confuse people. And you don’t see how that could be helpful later down the line? Seriously? Posting creates a permanent record, to be perused and analysed later Days, no matter what knowledge scum has Day 1. And in this game we have two scum teams and third parties to boot! > [@Lakai](#): > > Also, pointing the finger at many individuals is a good way of getting killed at night if you point it at the wrong person. It’s better to start analyzing once you have better evidence to support your theories. :smack: > [@Lakai](#): > > It was a vote to gain information and also a very misinformed vote as I later realized. I can’t really defend it at this point. What information did you gain from your vote, other than your vote being lazy and uninformed and that abviously people would take notice of that? > [@Lakai](#): > > On Day One I think contributing too much could do more harm than good because of the reasons I mentioned above. I’m left with defending myself because I’m gathering votes. Well, consider it at least… ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1075 "2017-01-14T20:44:17Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > To be clear, you mean “Mafia” as the game as a whole, not as faction? That’s Mafia with a capital M, not a lower case m ? ((Hopefully you understand this, because I know I’ll lose my self if I explain. C.F. The Catholic Chruch, and the catholic church.)) Yes, the Game. Although I sense we could someday happily bond over discussions of catholic tastes and the real meaning of the terms romantic and gothic. I’ll stop before I get completely lost in the weeds. > [@](#): > > TL DR isn’t the issue you should be concerned with. If you were a few games in with us, someone could level a charge of “fishing” for this activity. Fishing as in the card game “Go Fish”… Random, unsolicited questions to others, just to gauge their reactions if they offer any at all. Noted, but not my intention. Thanks for pointing out the potential for abuse. > [@](#): > > I’m not sure I’ve ever, ever seen _ **Direct** _ commentary on votes “Oh Noes, X! You shouldn’t have voted Y!” … Everything up to that, yes. > > I’m not sure how much help I can be on giving you feedback on your vote. I mean… It’s your logic… It’s as foreign to me, as my logic is to you…I can only hope that my logic is just as much as foreign. Really, it was the shenanigans/last minute fury of activity angle I was getting at, which you answered. > [@](#): > > **A fury of activity?** > > Hell yes. Probably not so much on the earlier days… But vote changes, claims, counter claims… An escalation of showing cards close to the vest, or ulterior motives revealing themselves will happen… Probably have to happen. Just not on day one… And probably… Not until day/night 4 … Taking the notion that Cops/Detectives should as a rule of thumb, in general claim by then. … And all other roles follow in kind soon after. Yes, yes! Absolutely what I wanted to know (and what I meant by shenanigans). > [@NAF1138](#): > > Anyone ever mention that you guys post a lot? > > No? Just me I guess. What? You don’t read our posts I guess. :mad:😉 > [@](#): > > Edit: I was goofing around with colors earlier, but what do you guys think of this dark blue? I think its the easiest to read of all the colors I have used while still being noticeable as not normal text. No need to post in game, but shoot me a PM if you have strong feelings. I like the dark blue. There I go, posting in game. It’s the game. I am becoming trained. All must be on public record. > [@LightFoot](#): > > I am thinking that \*\* Colby’s \*\* most recent post/vote is butt hurt sarcasm\*. It does not speak to his alignment , of course. But I can see where a player could get discouraged constantly being lynched early. > _For example when the 'kill Bill early and often" (aka the Day 3 BillMc theory) was all the rage, Bill took a break from Mafia games . it is frustrating._[sub] > \*Colby , please do not take offense with the term- it explains what I mean the best( to me) [/sub] > [@HookerChemical](#): > > \I agree with this. It’s a horrible post and isn’t going to move him toward the town column on anybody’s ledger. But… > > I find this plausible. I’d rather see ToeJam or Lakai lynched than Colby. Here’s my current thinking: from what everyone says Colby is frequently lynched for being scum when he is not scum. This usually happens the first day. I cannot move a vote off of Colby, but if I could I would. We can lynch him later, but I say let us give him a shot to actually play the game. He’s been the lynch leader all week/Day 1 and has undoubtedly a) felt pretty screwed and therefore b) not really contributed. I say let’s see how he does when he’s not got the rope around his neck the entire Day. I have no knowledge that he is or is not scum. I may be an idiot softie on this. This may be the one time he actually IS scum, but that’s my argument. Move your vote to **ToeJam** (my pick) or **Lakai** (a current favorite) and give **Colby** one chance to show us his game. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1076 "2017-01-14T20:48:28Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > I read it as fire in a metaphorical sense meaning carnage or aggression. > > I said a defense of another player with little evidence is more suspicious than a vote for another player with little evidence. It’s a statement weighting the relative suspicion of two different behaviors. It’s not a statement that you can never defend someone. Someone voted for me for making a vote with little evidence and I was pointing out that my vote shouldn’t be suspicious for that reasoning because (a) all votes have little evidence behind them and (b) defending someone with little evidence is a more suspicious behavior. > > You vote for someone, people react to the vote and you can get information by how they react. It might not be the best way of getting information. I made the choice of doing it by voting and my choice could be wrong. I’m not perfect. > > I don’t believe most of the analysis on day one helps anyone. I think scum have the advantage on day one because they have much more information and they are more likely to use analysis and what you call contributions to confuse people. > > Also, pointing the finger at many individuals is a good way of getting killed at night if you point it at the wrong person. It’s better to start analyzing once you have better evidence to support your theories. > > It was a vote to gain information and also a very misinformed vote as I later realized. I can’t really defend it at this point. > > On Day One I think contributing too much could do more harm than good because of the reasons I mentioned above. I’m left with defending myself because I’m gathering votes. Almost every single word in this post is just…wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1077 "2017-01-14T20:54:56Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Here’s my current thinking: from what everyone says Colby is frequently lynched for being scum when he is not scum. This usually happens the first day. I cannot move a vote off of Colby, but if I could I would. We can lynch him later, but I say let us give him a shot to actually play the game. He’s been the lynch leader all week/Day 1 and has undoubtedly a) felt pretty screwed and therefore b) not really contributed. I say let’s see how he does when he’s not got the rope around his neck the entire Day. > > I have no knowledge that he is or is not scum. I may be an idiot softie on this. This may be the one time he actually IS scum, but that’s my argument. Move your vote to **ToeJam** (my pick) or **Lakai** (a current favorite) and give **Colby** one chance to show us his game. Earlier I said that **Lakai** , **ToeJam** , and \*\*AngeloftheNorth \*\*were all being voted for having “too many posts with too little actual content”. More than one person has told me that I’m dead wrong in that interpretation. Lakai’s recent posts have begun to help me clear up my confucion there…though I’m not sure I’m willing to make a vote that swaps lynch-leaders just at the moment…so tell me why you think I should vote for ToeJam. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1078 "2017-01-14T20:59:26Z")
**Unvote All** **Vote Lakai** Because: 1. I see the case on him more than the case on Colby. 2. His post voting me is incredibly scummy. I hate posts that make a vote and then excuse themselves from the possible consequences of that vote. 3. I am not scum and so I can easily see an alternative lynch swing on to me if things are going poorly. 4. The people who agree with me that Boozahol Squid is scummy aren’t voting him. That’s suspicious in itself so now I have to go back and see who they are. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1079 "2017-01-14T20:59:42Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > The other aspect of shenanigans is the last hour EOD vote shifts- usually by Nefarious types - OR well meaning Townies with knowledge- but that is more rare > And I see you did address that as ‘fury of activity’- For me the two terms are interchangable. thats OK For me, I think Shenanigans has a slightly higher level of covertness, or ulteriorness (is that even a word?) than public at face value… Bees buzzing around the outside of a hive. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1080 "2017-01-14T21:01:17Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I’m Renata over there. I was super impressed with your day one reads last game. Hi Renata! Glad we get a chance to play together again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=55)