# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/101 "2017-01-08T15:17:49Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Ok probably not the best start, but possibly a small net positive if it removes a player who wouldn’t be able to participate (and thus may have drawn suspicion) without wasting a lynch on it. No need to lynch non-participants in this game, the mods will look after them. > [@sachertorte](#): > > Yes. It does seem like a statement that there are 36 Town roles. > [@Colby11](#): > > It is apparent that based off the color from Night 0 and Day 1,we have 36 townies, 4 3rd parties, and 14 non-town players. Nice catch to whomever caught it Night 0. I’d suspect it’s a red herring, if the mods wanted to tell us that there are exactly 17 town powers, 20 VT, 4 third parties and 14 scum, they’d do it in the rules, right? > [@TexCat](#): > > I thought it was obvious. For editing. Not because I think that Normal was necessarily hiding something with the edit, but it sets a bad precedent. I don’t approve of editing. And I don’t approve of policy votes - far too easy to hide behind. But is voting for a policy vote a policy vote in itself? > [@snfaulkner](#): > > Is it too early for poke votes? Let’s start at the top of Biotop’s list. Does this ever work - voting for a non-participant, without a mention notification? > [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > Another consequence of multiple scum groups: /snipped Not sure I get your point here, scum could fake claim a role, the real role holder could stay quiet and let the other scum team kill them claimant, but a doc may try to protect the fake claiming scum, so maybe claim after all? Is there really a difference to a normal game? Re: Meeko & Johnny Bravo, I don’t think there are perfectly accurate scum tells - short of claiming or mis-posting, but there’s not “tells”. And I disagree that D1 votes are not useful - there are joke votes, poke votes, but they are the start of a pattern, scum do get lynched D1 @Total, Boozy’s question had some level of plausibility - it was his response to the FOS that pinged, but Pleo’s comment has been interpreted differently - to some, including Toejam and me, he was saying there are no off boards for scum teams - which makes no sense given the rules and discussion, but for others - Lightfoot for example, he was talking about cross-team communication - which is even weirder, how would scum know who’s on the other team to attempt to communicate through editing, and why, if they are enemies? It’s almost too blatant, his earlier defensiveness was more telling. > [@TexCat](#): > > It sure sounds like he’s on one of the scum teams to me. Good catch, looking at the color or later discussion, I don’t see anything that clearly identifies a first team in contrast to the other team. **Vote Colby** ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/102 "2017-01-08T15:19:15Z")
**vote: Boozahol Squid, P.I.** For these two posts. > [@Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/144): > > I’m not sure I want to. You gave the bad guys cool sounding roles like “The Hitman” and “The Outrider,” and you gave us… what “The Leprechaun” and “Alternate Universe Batman?” The best Townie role name is “The Watcher” and that still just sounds like some Marvel Universe neutral Alien thingy. > > Total bullshit. :mad: > [@Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/274): > > Both of you are twerps, then. It’s a basic fact that every person in this game presents themselves as Town. You don’t need to claim vanilla town (unless you’re **Idle** , because [tradition](https://youtu.be/sWSoYCetG6A?t=6)!) because it’s understood that everyone comes at this game from that viewpoint. Trying to suss out information isn’t some coy way of pretending to be a Townie, it’s the most pro-Town thing you can do. Information is what wins these games, and the Town starts with the least of it. So you and Thing can finger me all you want (yeah, yeah) but I’d like to know exactly what you’re trying to add to the conversation yourself. The first one was a very slight ping along the lines of what snfaulkner and ThingFish pointed out – self-consciously grouping oneself with town. The second quote morphed from defense against the accusation (‘don’t we all present ourselves as town?’) into some kind of weird promotion of information-gathering – which he wasn’t even doing – as a pro-town tactic, and manages to drive the “look how townie I’m being” ping up several notches. And then I guess asking about scum communication is more of the same, though I didn’t notice it negatively at the time. I’m not thrilled with Johnny Bravo’s defense against my skepticism of his vote on me, either. ‘You’re trying too hard to find me scummy’ is not exactly a convincing read in a game where even the scum have rich hunting grounds to go after. On the other hand, the ‘ohmygodyousuck for suspecting me’ impulse is strong in some townies and could be the real reason for the vote. I’ll let that one percolate a while. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/103 "2017-01-08T15:23:36Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Does this ever work - voting for a non-participant, without a mention notification? It does if the non-participant in question has been hanging around lurking for as long as they think they can get away with. And Angel of the North did show up. (To be clear I don’t find anything funky about their posting once they did, at this point.) I’m all for Biotop moving on to nonparticipant number two. > [@](#): > > Good catch, looking at the color or later discussion, I don’t see anything that clearly identifies a first team in contrast to the other team. > > **Vote Colby** Meh. In my experience, scum slips usually aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/104 "2017-01-08T15:24:26Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Oh heck, this is as good a starting vote as any. > > **Vote: Normal** > [@TexCat](#): > > I thought it was obvious. For editing. Not because I think that Normal was necessarily hiding something with the edit, but it sets a bad precedent. I don’t approve of editing. This is all kinds of terrible. So you admit that you don’t think Normal was hiding anything, but you are willing to vote for Normal simply because you disagree about editing? There was a time that policy votes were considered scummy. I don’t think that is the case here, but I do think such a policy vote is dumb. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19898730&postcount=192](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19898730&postcount=192) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19899863&postcount=289](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19899863&postcount=289) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19899871&postcount=290](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19899871&postcount=290) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19902482&postcount=418](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19902482&postcount=418) If anything, I’d say Normal Phase’s hardline stance (as well as Suburban Plankton and Plumpudding) are minor indicators of Towness. It’s clear that there exist people that don’t like editing and find editing ‘suspicious,’ so openly flouting that opinion is not something that someone trying to hide is going to want to do. Terrible vote. Terrible policy. Let’s not have this game devolve into a referendum on editing, shall we? ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/105 "2017-01-08T15:28:43Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Bolding mine, above. This phrasing really stood out for me. I would have said, I think the fire is probably from one of the scum teams, or an arsonist. But Colby says\* the other team\*. It sure sounds like he’s on one of the scum teams to me. yes that stood out to me as well “the other team” is a very strange turn of phrase to use here. we’re on the 3rd page of day 1 and Idle hasn’t claimed yet? most suspicious! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/106 "2017-01-08T15:38:56Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > … > Bolding mine, above. This phrasing really stood out for me. I would have said, I think the fire is probably from one of the scum teams, or an arsonist. But Colby says\* the other team\*. It sure sounds like he’s on one of the scum teams to me. Colby’s may not be a slip … but it _might_ be. That’s good enough for a Day 1 vote. **Unvote Pleonast** **Vote Colby11** ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/107 "2017-01-08T15:46:27Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Is Boozy Squid the same person or a different person from Flying Squid on Giraffe? Different person. Also on a side note some of you may know ToeJam better as Roosh. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/108 "2017-01-08T16:05:47Z")
I’m of the Normal Phase school of thought on Scum slips. This one seemed fairly straightforward to me, and actually a bit town-leaning. If you’re town, literally everyone else is on “the other team”. If Colby turns out to be Town, there’s a lot of info to be gained on the early attempt to force a bandwagon here. It feels forced to me. There are a lot of “me, too” type of votes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/109 "2017-01-08T16:08:12Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Different person. > > Also on a side note some of you may know ToeJam better as Roosh. Entire post is OOG:: Oh! Really? I didn’t know that. Hey Roosh 🙂 Does anyone has the link to the google doc with names of mafiaplayers on different boards? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/110 "2017-01-08T16:08:47Z")
Agggggggg better start reading. . ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/111 "2017-01-08T16:10:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Colby’s may not be a slip … but it _might_ be. That’s good enough for a Day 1 vote. > > **Unvote Pleonast** > > **Vote Colby11** So do you still think Pleonast looks scummy or did you change you mind? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/112 "2017-01-08T16:14:36Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Meh. In my experience, scum slips usually aren’t. Usually aren’t what? Slips? What do you make of it then? I haven’t made up my mind entirely yet. But I am very puzzled at the way it was phrased. So I’d very much like to hear how others read it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/113 "2017-01-08T16:19:17Z")
OK, working with the idea that we should be looking for tells, here’s where I find mine. This really long, overly sensitive proclamation of innocence on Day 0. I thought it was excessive and a case of “the lady’s doth protest too much” > [@Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/412): > > **Sinjin, Guiri, Normal Phase** > Is there anything I can help to clear up on why you 3 find me suspicious? Sinjin had questions, so I can address those. The other two just snuggled up behind SJ, so I’ll be here waiting to hear from you guys. > > \*\* Sinjin \*\*: > Do you have issues with me thinking out loud? When I went through the paragraph ([here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19899462&postcount=258)you quote [it](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19898969&postcount=218)), I showed my work. > > You quote portions of my statements, and ask why did I bring up the previous one- because I don’t want to leave them out. If I present only one side of an argument, that’s kinda scummy. I want to consider both sides (and as you pointed me pointing out- I even stated that one option is LESS likely, and the other is more likely). > > Now, you ask why would scum kill the Patsy (your third statement)? Because of what I said afterwards- The Scum factions ALSO have to deal with the WIFOM that the Patsy is a false claim. It’s not likely, but Each scum faction has to worry about the possibility that the OTHER scum faction might have done it. > That doesn’t really matter early game (especially for Town), but late game- the scum group is going to get antys about the idea of a False claiming Patsy, and since it’d add to their kills if it WAS a real patsy, and if it WAS a fake-claim, it’d be pro-Scum to take out the Patsy the further we get into the late game. > > It’s all WIFOM. But it’s more and more WIFOM for the Scum the later it gets into the game with an uncounterclaimed Patsy (who ideally should be town, because… as I noted, it’d be really really risky for scum to counterclaim and trade 1:1 that early in the game, putting them immediately behind the other scum group). Hence the Doc’s get to WIFOM if they want to protect a potential Townie role that ScumA might actually be thinking about killing. > > That’s what I meant by my lines on the matter. > Also, if you notice- I do at the end summarize my thinking aloud with what I actually DO think of the whole matter: \*Basically- all in all- i’m pro-Patsy claiming Day 1, and then we should NOT lynch the Poor patsy day 1 either though. \* > > That’s the takeaway. The rest of it is WIFOM if you’re scum, if you’re a doctor, and if you’re not town. Which is what I want to do. I want to pour WIFOM for scum. I’m not going to make it easier on them. And if you’re scum, you better continue to expect such WIFOM. > > If you’re town, just ask me to clarify, and I will clarify (or I’ll probably clarify on my own, as I did there in that post). > > So now, Sinjin, you’re fine. But **Normal Phase, Guiri**. What’s up? It’s rather easy to jump on and go “me too”, but if you’ve actually got Qs, I’m still alive. Otherwise, I’ll just keep your snuggling in mind for the future. > -R VOTE TOEJAM ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/114 "2017-01-08T16:45:17Z")
Hi everyone. It’s great to see so many names from way back. Thanks to the **Mods** for letting us latecomers in. Sorry to see **Dante** go. I spectated a few of his games on GB and was looking forward to playing with him. I hope everything is OK. > [@Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/459): > > > [@Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/383): > > > > Okay. This night is kind of boring, so it’s story time with Uncle Sachertorte: > > … > > Just before Monk sachertorte left, Monk nesta was forced to claim :eek: > > … > > Monk nesta was viciously murdered by scum ☹ > > … > > Endgame Monk Cometothedarksidewehavecookies has to choose who is the final scum, rereads the entire game and nails the last scum. 😃 > > > > [At least, that’s how I remember it 😃] > > The only part I don’t like is that you didn’t remember me, because I was also a Monk but claimed without revealing anything else because you weren’t back yet and Cookies was staying quiet. Eventually scum killed me too, and then Idle felt safe coming out with his claim…right into the Cookies counterclaim. Then zuma tried to claim monk while scum as well–and screwed it up big time by posting drunk, IIRC. > [@Mafia Reunion - NIGHT ZERO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-night-zero/776315/462): > > Yeah. Sorry about that. I was walking home, and my error hit me. I don’t know why I got you confused with nesta. It was a long time ago, and my memory is poor, but I don’t think I was part of Monkgate. I remember it, but I’m not even sure I was in that game or just spectating. You might be conflating that game with another, where **Cookies** did end up in the final three with scum me and **DiggitCamera** (I might be mangling that name horribly), and chose correctly. In that game I was town until recruited at the last minute by the final remaining scum, **Blaster Master** , who was going to be lynched the next Day. That game is why I’ll never sign up for one where recruitment is on the table. Anyway… > [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > Another consequence of multiple scum groups: > > A scum under lynch pressure may claim a town power role, in order to provoke a counterclaim. However, there is less need to counter, as by claiming they have made themselves a target for the other scum group. So just leave them be and allow the other scum to take care of them. > > Although a downside to not countering is that town protective roles may waste their ability on someone who is actually scum. So I suggest that, if scum do claim your role, consider whether staying hidden would be better than immediately counterclaiming. I like this post. I hadn’t thought of this angle, and despite the WIFOM aspect, I think “scum wouldn’t post this”. I’m not sure I agree with counter claims holding off, but it’s an interesting thought that I don’t think scum would want to bring up. Thinking out loud here: Pros: [ol] [li]The second scum team might kill the false claimer, saving us the trouble.[/li][li]The player with the power role gets to stay hidden.[/li][li]The false claimer will be forced to share false actions and results which we can analyze for information.[/li][li]Eventually the false claimer will be outed, either through a later true claim, or from death reveal. I don’t think a false claim can last to the end game.[/li][/ol] Cons: [ol] [li]The docs might protect them, negating the most obvious pro of the other scum team killing them. This is a bad WIFOM situation for the docs, of whether to protect a claimed power.[/li][li]If they claim a cop or watcher or something, we might trust their “results”, leading to a mislynch.[/li][li]A later claim by the true role will be distrusted because they didn’t immediately claim, leading to a mislynch.[/li][/ol] It’s something for our power roles to think about. Kudos to **Captain Klutz** for seeing the possibility. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/115 "2017-01-08T16:46:47Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > So do you still think Pleonast looks scummy or did you change you mind? > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Even much later in the game I have trouble making black/white judgments. Here in Day 1 I’m seeing only shades of gray, _almost all the same_. Pleonast is ever so slightly more likely to be Scum than average, and Colby just slightly more so.     Sent from my Heckler & Koch MR 556A1 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/116 "2017-01-08T16:48:00Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Different person. > > Also on a side note some of you may know ToeJam better as Roosh. That’s **Roosh**? Hi **Roosh**! I need to re-read all his posts now, with old-school **Roosh** logic in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/117 "2017-01-08T17:05:50Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I’m of the Normal Phase school of thought on Scum slips. This one seemed fairly straightforward to me, and actually a bit town-leaning. If you’re town, literally everyone else is on “the other team”. If Colby turns out to be Town, there’s a lot of info to be gained on the early attempt to force a bandwagon here. It feels forced to me. There are a lot of “me, too” type of votes. Let us take a closer look then. Bandwagons can be very informative - at least when you know the alignment after the Day. > [@TexCat](#): > > _unvote: Normal > vote: Colby > \*\* > Bolding mine, above. This phrasing really stood out for me. I would have said, I think the fire is probably from one of the scum teams, or an arsonist. But Colby says the other team_. It sure sounds like he’s on one of the scum teams to me. > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I missed that in my reading. But I do agree - strange way to phrase it indeed. > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > /snipped > > Good catch, looking at the color or later discussion, I don’t see anything that clearly identifies a first team in contrast to the other team. > > **Vote Colby** > [@BillMC](#): > > yes that stood out to me as well “the other team” is a very strange turn of phrase to use here. > > we’re on the 3rd page of day 1 and Idle hasn’t claimed yet? most suspicious! > [@septimus](#): > > Colby’s may not be a slip … but it _might_ be. That’s good enough for a Day 1 vote. > > **Unvote Pleonast** > **Vote Colby11** So it looks like 3 votes from **TexCat, GuiriEnEspaña and septimus.** And while no voting a “what was that” from 2 players: \*\*Total \*\*(me :)) and **BillMc**. So 5 players in this game can be called a bandwagon? I tend to disagree. I think we’re having a very interesting Day 1 - and a slip-vote is more solid to me than a policy-vote, a non-participant-vote or a lurker-vote. So far I am not voting - because I’d like to see **Colby’s** response to the votes and the phrasing. But to call this a bandwagon seem a bit dramatic to me ATM. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/118 "2017-01-08T17:06:49Z")
Seems early to being casting votes already on Day one. We’ve got players that haven’t posted at all in the game. I’m not a big fan of lynching the loud. We have to get discussion going and if we start voting players just because they post, the scum will have the advantage. I do find Colby’s wording suspicious as well. And I thing the Durpclears are a bit to obvious. But, I want to wait for more discussion before casting a vote. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/119 "2017-01-08T17:07:06Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Even much later in the game I have trouble making black/white judgments. Here in Day 1 I’m seeing only shades of gray, _almost all the same_. Pleonast is ever so slightly more likely to be Scum than average, and Colby just slightly more so. Oh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up for me 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/120 "2017-01-08T17:07:18Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I’m of the Normal Phase school of thought on Scum slips. This one seemed fairly straightforward to me, and actually a bit town-leaning. If you’re town, literally everyone else is on “the other team”. If Colby turns out to be Town, there’s a lot of info to be gained on the early attempt to force a bandwagon here. It feels forced to me. There are a lot of “me, too” type of votes. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I’m really torn on this. The charitable interpretation of “the other team” may be the correct one. Or it may be a significant slip, as the phrasing is certainly awkward and potentially revealing. I’m not sure which way I’m leaning on it at the moment. But: I can absolutely see why people find it worth voting for. In that case, what else really _could_ be said about it than, “me too”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=7)