# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1341 "2017-01-16T19:09:17Z")
Of course the Hitman and Outriders are killing roles. They kill protectors. But there’s no indication whatsoever that they kill anyone else. Heck, the Homicide Detective also says that they target people, and cops sometimes kill, too. But nobody thinks that the Homicide Detective’s power kills the target. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1342 "2017-01-16T19:09:57Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Thing Fish, I think making too many assumptions can expose Town to increased risk. I try to mitigate that risk by not making prematurely narrow assumptions in particular. I think this is a similar strategy as to why you suggest that people should avoid too much conjecture as to who Scum attacked or why, don’t you think? > > I have no idea who first coined ‘burby’ but I am suddenly curious and may go play with some way back searches. > > Unauthorized Cinnamon was going to be my band name. Hat tip to a Deadwood episode with that title and plot point. Unauthorized Cinnamon. … Is also a Girl’s name, no? :eek: The only sticking point for me **Cookies** is that I can’t _exactly_ remember how you are related. But if I can’t even suggest how people how vote IRL without being offensive… ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1343 "2017-01-16T19:21:02Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > So this post is mainly to get a drink from Squid and make sure neither players nor mods fear I’m AWOL. You always have a drink ready at my bar, darlin’. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1344 "2017-01-16T19:24:47Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > There’s a role called the **Hitman**. He and the outrider are specifically told to get out there and kill people. Why would a kill only come into play if protection is in place? Because it’s an anti-doc role, not a bonus kill role for the scum. It would be wildly imbalanced if both scum teams got a kill each day and each night (because the Hitman and Outrider work on the opposite schedule of their respective teams kills.) ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1345 "2017-01-16T19:26:32Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Because it’s an anti-doc role, not a bonus kill role for the scum. It would be wildly imbalanced if both scum teams got a kill each day and each night (because the Hitman and Outrider work on the opposite schedule of their respective teams kills.) Ok I suppose that makes sense. I was feeling a bit despondent thinking that the bad guys had 2 kills per cycle. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1346 "2017-01-16T19:36:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Of course the Hitman and Outriders are killing roles. They kill protectors. But there’s no indication whatsoever that they kill anyone else. > > **Heck, the Homicide Detective also says that they target people** , and cops sometimes kill, too. But nobody thinks that the Homicide Detective’s power kills the target. My bold. No, the role-doc say > [@](#): > > Once per Day, you may investigate any player and will receive a result of either “Town,” “Scum (Wolf or Mafia),” or “Third Party." ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1347 "2017-01-16T19:40:47Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Because it’s an anti-doc role, not a bonus kill role for the scum. It would be wildly imbalanced if both scum teams got a kill each day and each night (because the Hitman and Outrider work on the opposite schedule of their respective teams kills.) I guess this makes sense. Talking more about the Hitman and Outrider proved useful after all! ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1348 "2017-01-16T19:44:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Welcome to the game; you are The Hitman > > BACKGROUND: > On behalf of Mahalnafteller Industries, congratulations on being awesome. Let’s be honest, everyone loves a hitman. No one really wants to admit it, but secretly we are all attracted to the power and the danger of your chosen profession. (Note from Doug: that’s a little creepy, boss. Maybe tone it down?). We could write you up a little bit of backstory about how you came to be the stone cold killer that you are, but we think it would make you less interesting. So your background is going to be shrouded in mystery. Trust us, it is better this way. > > Oh, fine. One small background detail. **Your mother was a doctor.** No no, that’s it. Make of that what you will. I guess the bolded part could be read as a hint. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1349 "2017-01-16T19:45:01Z")
> [@Colby11](#): > > “We’re just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl > Year after Year” > > So, you claim that you will actively lurk? Yes, this makes perfect Townie sense… Not. > > **Unvote Septimus** > **Vote brewha** This came during my phone induced blackout - but I am trying to make it through what I missed over the weekend. My plan was to read the thread - which is easy to do on my phone. Posting with my phone is much less easy than it is to type on a keyboard. So, no - I was not planning on posting from my phone unless there was a compelling reason to do so. As it turned out the pop up ads kept me from reading as well as posting - so I guess it’s all moot. Did you really misinterpret my post? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1350 "2017-01-16T21:37:39Z")
I’m back. I did my best to keep up over the weekend, but I have to use a mobile ghostery browser to keep my phone from being hijacked and it doesn’t play nicely with the site’s text formatting, so reading has been a bit of a chore. Bad results, but at least we have the Understudy. For what it’s worth at this particular juncture, I am Town and not third party. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1351 "2017-01-16T22:13:01Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > …Yeah, one of them was delayed by a turn, but that probably doesn’t matter unless we’re so close to endgame that the game would have ended in between… and if the game’s that close to over, the power probably still doesn’t matter. When would this ever be worthwhile for Scum to use? I think you answered your own question there. Bodyguards combined with the bulletproofedness of the godfathers near endgame sound very dangerous. > [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Wait, people think the Hitman and Outrider kill their target if they aren’t protected? Wut? There’s nothing in the posted rules descriptions that say anything of the sort. It seems pretty straight forward. > > Step 1: Pick target > Step 2: Check if target is protected. If yes, go to 3, otherwise nothing happens. > Step 3: Kill protector. This is how I read hitrider/outman roles as well. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1352 "2017-01-16T22:14:10Z")
_ **Unofficial** _ final Day One votecount (Thing Fish’s count, Edited and colorized by SNF) Lakai (18 votes) - Inner Stickler (257), RedSkeezix(319), Plumpudding(647), Light Foot (883), Koldanar (900), Scathach (1031), AngeloftheNorth (1078), Hockey Monkey (1102), Drain Bead (889), Raventhief (1109), Meeko (1082), buffytabby (1094), jsgoddess (1129), Hoopy Frood (1130), MHaye (1176), nesta (1187), ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (1206), Nanook of the North Shore (1208) ToeJam (15 votes) - Sunny Daze (113), Hooker Chemical (184), sinjin (200), Sachertorte (534), Captain Klutz(796), Normal Phase (1011), Prof. Pepperwinkle (1057), BillMC (1152), septimus (1154), Biotop (1178), Guiri (1182), EnderW24 (1195), Chronos (1197), snfaulkner (1205), Lakai (1209) colby11 (6 votes) - Texcat (91), ToeJam (132), Hawkeye(350), brewha (683), Pleonast (841), Suburban Plankton (1026) Angelofthenorth (3 votes) - Zeriel(413), TotalLost(492), Boozahol Squid PI (546), PLAYERS WITH 1 VOTE: Pleonast (1 vote) - Thing Fish (794) snfaulkner (1 vote) - diggitcamera (264) Normal Phase (1 vote) - Johnny Bravo (36), Texcat (1 vote) - Scathach(758) brewha (1 vote) - Colby11 (946) [/QUOTE] I switched my vote to toejam from lakai near the EoD. I see Thing Fish have my vote on Toejam, but I was still shown on Lakai. I made the correction. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1353 "2017-01-16T22:22:15Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Wait. When did I say the ToeJam votes were “entirely spearheaded by Town”? I don’t believe I did say that. I said that the late swing towards ToeJam AS A WHOLE wasn’t scum motivated, and you are twisting that to suggest I said that every single one of those voters were Town? > > The presence of two scum teams makes gross vote manipulation less likely, not more. Each team has only seven members, so to believe with brewha that scum moved the Lakai vote ahead of Colby, you would have to believe that almost all of the wave of voters which took Lakai from 7 to 14 votes were members of the same scum team, none of whom had previously put any effort into building a counterwagon to Colby. Each team has only seven members, Did I miss this day in class? I mean, I think 8/6 just to mess with us, is a lot more likely. I mean… To mess with us, and to also accommodate the large size. That is to say, I think some other aspect of the game… Either math or mod as Gasterd wise, dictates a non 7-7 split. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1354 "2017-01-16T22:38:15Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Wait, people think the Hitman and Outrider kill their target if they aren’t protected? Wut? There’s nothing in the posted rules descriptions that say anything of the sort. It seems pretty straight forward. > > Step 1: Pick target > > Step 2: Check if target is protected. If yes, go to 3, otherwise nothing happens. > > Step 3: Kill protector. That’s how I read it as well. So no PIS for Thing Fish, in my book. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1355 "2017-01-16T22:49:08Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Each team has only seven members, > > Did I miss this day in class? > > I mean, I think 8/6 just to mess with us, is a lot more likely. I mean… To mess with us, and to also accommodate the large size. That is to say, I think some other aspect of the game… Either math or mod as Gasterd wise, dictates a non 7-7 split. We’ve been given a list of Wolf and Mafia roles. There are seven of each. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1356 "2017-01-16T22:51:00Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Each team has only seven members, > > Did I miss this day in class? > > I mean, I think 8/6 just to mess with us, is a lot more likely. I mean… To mess with us, and to also accommodate the large size. That is to say, I think some other aspect of the game… Either math or mod as Gasterd wise, dictates a non 7-7 split. The mafia, werewolf, and town roles are spelled out in the document. There are 7 roles for mafia and 7 for the wolves. So I don’t think 8/6 is likely at all. In fact, unless the mods are lying to use about the scum roles, it’s impossible. And they said this game isn’t bastard, so we should take them at their word on that. > [@snfaulkner](#): > > Lakai (18 votes) - Inner Stickler (257), RedSkeezix(319), Plumpudding(647), Light Foot (883), Koldanar (900), Scathach (1031), AngeloftheNorth (1078), Hockey Monkey (1102), Drain Bead (889), Raventhief (1109), Meeko (1082), buffytabby (1094), jsgoddess (1129), Hoopy Frood (1130), MHaye (1176), nesta (1187), ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (1206), Nanook of the North Shore (1208). I want to point out that my vote was post **1031** not **1130**. When I called out the moderators for missing my vote, I mistyped the number of the post as 1130, but immediately fixed this in a follwup post that the mods seem to have missed. (On a side note, had I edited that post, it probably would have been better for the mods and the vote record both.) I blame **NAF1138**. “Why?” you ask. Because I can. And he’s the most fun to blame. > [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Wait, people think the Hitman and Outrider kill their target if they aren’t protected? Wut? There’s nothing in the posted rules descriptions that say anything of the sort. It seems pretty straight forward. > > Step 1: Pick target > Step 2: Check if target is protected. If yes, go to 3, otherwise nothing happens. > Step 3: Kill protector. Yeah, that’s how I interpreted it as well. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1357 "2017-01-16T23:26:41Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > _ **Unofficial** _ final Day One votecount (Thing Fish’s count, Edited and colorized by SNF) > > Lakai (18 votes) - Inner Stickler (257), RedSkeezix(319), Plumpudding(647), Light Foot (883), Koldanar (900), Scathach (1031), AngeloftheNorth (1078), Hockey Monkey (1102), Drain Bead (889), Raventhief (1109), Meeko (1082), buffytabby (1094), jsgoddess (1129), Hoopy Frood (1130), MHaye (1176), nesta (1187), ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (1206), Nanook of the North Shore (1208) > > ToeJam (15 votes) - Sunny Daze (113), Hooker Chemical (184), sinjin (200), Sachertorte (534), Captain Klutz(796), Normal Phase (1011), Prof. Pepperwinkle (1057), BillMC (1152), septimus (1154), Biotop (1178), Guiri (1182), EnderW24 (1195), Chronos (1197), snfaulkner (1205), Lakai (1209) > > colby11 (6 votes) - Texcat (91), ToeJam (132), Hawkeye(350), brewha (683), Pleonast (841), Suburban Plankton (1026) > > Angelofthenorth (3 votes) - Zeriel(413), TotalLost(492), Boozahol Squid PI (546), > > PLAYERS WITH 1 VOTE: > Pleonast (1 vote) - Thing Fish (794) > snfaulkner (1 vote) - diggitcamera (264) > Normal Phase (1 vote) - Johnny Bravo (36), > brewha (1 vote) - Colby11 (946) > > I switched my vote to toejam from lakai near the EoD. I see Thing Fish have my vote on Toejam, but I was still shown on Lakai. I made the correction. Thanks, and thanks for the colorizing. The first draft also listed Scathach twice; she unvoted TexCat when she switched to Lakai near the end. And here is even more crucial information: NOT VOTING (shame! shame!) 8 players: Daphne Black, crys75, Hal Briston, Idle Thoughts, Khameleon, precambrianmollusc, Sario, Winston Smith ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1358 "2017-01-16T23:28:56Z")
NETA: I edited within Nate’s quote tag to remove the extra Scathach vote. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1359 "2017-01-16T23:35:00Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > THANK YOU! I’m not crazy! All I wanted was a Pepsi! [YOU’RE the one who’s crazy! INSTITUTION!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoF_a0-7xVQ) ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1360 "2017-01-16T23:42:25Z")
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