# Mafia Reunion - Day One **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 7, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577 "2017-01-07T22:01:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1381 "2017-01-17T04:25:47Z")
it\* is\* Night for those following my OOG bits I am home and I have no idea when hubby can yet be released ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1382 "2017-01-17T04:27:16Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Man, I’ve been busy. I promise (if I’m still alive), I will either be more active in Day 2 or I will find a sub. I would hate to see you leave Idle, but I commend you on your “I will supply a sub for you” attitude. Still, try to stick around. This whole thing was your idea. It would suck if you had to leave. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1383 "2017-01-17T04:28:22Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > it\* is\* Night > for those following my OOG bits I am home and I have no idea when hubby can yet be released Thiniing good thoughts Lightfoot and hoping he is released soon! ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1384 "2017-01-17T04:34:37Z")
Oh and Sunny, my opinion isn’t worth much - I am not one of the veterans - but I think you’re doing great! ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1385 "2017-01-17T05:19:50Z")
Hi guys… I’m on page 15 of this thread. Just got my role PM. Who am I subbing for? That way I can have some context of interactions occurring with them as I continue to read. I am going to slip N0 for now, as I have to prioritize if I am to catch up. If you need me to respond to something before I post that I have caught up, please mention me by name or quote my post so it sends me a notification. Looking forward to playing with you all. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1386 "2017-01-17T05:31:22Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Hello all. I am following along. I will admit the whole hitman/outrider thing is still confusing as hell to me, but I’ll catch up. (Really, no death unless the target is being guarded - so why guard? I am soooooooo confused. Is that the same person could be targeted twice?) > > Also, I wanted let everyone know that my husband is out of town until Friday. (why? Why, why, why! Kicks feet and wails). I am on solo parent duty until then. I will be reading and participating, but apologize if in advance if I am sporadic. > [@raventhief](#): > > Protection would still work against the factional kill or a third party killer (like a Serial Killer). > > Sorry about the solo parental duty! I’ll stomp my feet in solidarity if you need more of a temper tantrum 🙂 :eek: The protection always works! Let me use examples: Let’s say **Angel** is the Outrider, and targets **Biotop.** Nobody else targets Biotop. Nothing happens. Now say Doc **Cookies** also targets\*\* Biotop. Cookies\*\* is killed by the Outrider power. Nothing happens to Biotop. NOW say that Serial Killer\*\* Diggit\*\*\* also\* targets **Biotop.** Again, only **Cookies** dies; despite dying, her action still functions to protect\*\* Biotop.\*\* So, to **Sunny’s** question “why guard”, or more precisely “how does the existence of this power affect Doc strategy?”…it’s complicated. If I were a Doc in this game, and there was only one claimed power role, I would be very leery of guarding that power role (which would ordinarily be the no-brainer move) for fear of the Hitrider. If we reach a gamestate later on where there are multiple claimed power roles, then it becomes a guessing game between the Doc, Hitperson and killers. BUT then again on the other hand, consider the Town Watcher. That single power role would also be the no-brainer target for the Watcher, meaning that the Outrider likely would be scared off. In that case, since the Watcher won’t get any useful information from the factional kill, you should probably protect. Confused yet? If not, we can talk about how switches might affect the calculations. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1387 "2017-01-17T05:32:22Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > it\* is\* Night > for those following my OOG bits I am home and I have no idea when hubby can yet be released Best wishes to both of you! ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1388 "2017-01-17T05:32:50Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Hi guys… I’m on page 15 of this thread. Just got my role PM. Who am I subbing for? That way I can have some context of interactions occurring with them as I continue to read. I am going to slip N0 for now, as I have to prioritize if I am to catch up. If you need me to respond to something before I post that I have caught up, please mention me by name or quote my post so it sends me a notification. Looking forward to playing with you all. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk You are in for Winston Smith. I don’t believe there were any interactions, at least in this thread. Not sure about night zero. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1389 "2017-01-17T05:34:03Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Oh and Sunny, my opinion isn’t worth much - I am not one of the veterans - but I think you’re doing great! Yeah, I can’t believe this is **Sunny’s** first game. Clearly an early favorite to succeed **raventhief** as Rookie of the Year!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1390 "2017-01-17T05:35:38Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Hi guys… I’m on page 15 of this thread. Just got my role PM. Who am I subbing for? That way I can have some context of interactions occurring with them as I continue to read. I am going to slip N0 for now, as I have to prioritize if I am to catch up. If you need me to respond to something before I post that I have caught up, please mention me by name or quote my post so it sends me a notification. Looking forward to playing with you all. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk > [@raventhief](#): > > You are in for Winston Smith. I don’t believe there were any interactions, at least in this thread. Not sure about night zero. Yes, **Winston** never posted at all, hence the subbing. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1391 "2017-01-17T05:42:08Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Paulwhoisaghost - in for Winston Smith > And back for an encore performance Lakai in for Daphne Black! > > Give em both a big friendly Mafia reunion welcome! > > Technically they aren’t in the game till Day 2, but I’m OK with introducing them now. Paul you’re in for Winston. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1392 "2017-01-17T05:45:09Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > It is different. In a normal game, if scum fake a claim then they are safe from nightkill , as scum are obviously not going to target their own. However, to a separate scum group, the claim looks totally legitimate, and the player is therefore a target. > > Yes, it leads to dilemmas for both town and scum. Should townies protect? Should scum target them? If scum do get scared off, then that is actually a gain for town. Your logic is flawed. If town protects and scum get scared off then that means they targeted someone else… there is no benefit to town here. At best town doesn’t protect and scum get scared off and then we are back to the crapshoot… so it’s all WiFoM. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1393 "2017-01-17T05:51:21Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Oh and Sunny, my opinion isn’t worth much - I am not one of the veterans - but I think you’re doing great! Thank you! > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > :eek: The protection always works! Let me use examples: > > Let’s say **Angel** is the Outrider, and targets **Biotop.** Nobody else targets Biotop. Nothing happens. > > Now say Doc **Cookies** also targets\*\* Biotop. Cookies\*\* is killed by the Outrider power. Nothing happens to Biotop. > > NOW say that Serial Killer\*\* Diggit\*\*\* also\* targets **Biotop.** Again, only **Cookies** dies; despite dying, her action still functions to protect\*\* Biotop.\*\* > > So, to **Sunny’s** question “why guard”, or more precisely “how does the existence of this power affect Doc strategy?”…it’s complicated. If I were a Doc in this game, and there was only one claimed power role, I would be very leery of guarding that power role (which would ordinarily be the no-brainer move) for fear of the Hitrider. > If we reach a gamestate later on where there are multiple claimed power roles, then it becomes a guessing game between the Doc, Hitperson and killers. BUT then again on the other hand, consider the Town Watcher. That single power role would also be the no-brainer target for the Watcher, meaning that the Outrider likely would be scared off. In that case, since the Watcher won’t get any useful information from the factional kill, you should probably protect. Confused yet? If not, we can talk about how switches might affect the calculations. I will NOT tell you how many times I had to read that before I realized I was switching Angel and Cookies. :smack: The watcher makes more sense to me, inherently. The single claimed power role also “seems” clear, but you lose me on the probably protect because everyone will probably be scared off. Then why protect? I will keep reading through that. I think I will go off and quietly consider the switches. What’s Boozy-squid offering tonight? > [@LightFoot](#): > > it\* is\* Night > for those following my OOG bits I am home and I have no idea when hubby can yet be released I hope he’s still doing better! ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1394 "2017-01-17T06:15:48Z")
Welcome paul! Glad to be playing with you again. And Lakai 2: The Revengencing, I hope to watch you go on a murderous rampage, hell bent on right those who wronged you in your previous life! ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1395 "2017-01-17T06:25:05Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Meeko, I remember you quite well but can’t tell if you remember me by this name or not. On idleMafia and Giraffe I went by Rabid Rennaisance. > > I do have boobs and female bits but femininity is not something I have much of. > > I’m sure there are some folks out there whose parents named them Cinnamon. Probably a few strippers and sex workers who might be fond of the moniker too. In Deadwood, it was literally use of the spice without permission as a flavor enhancer sprinkled on canned fruit (peaches? Pears?) that got Johnny Burns in trouble with his ethically ambiguous boss, Al Swearengen. I’ve only known you as Cookies, Cookies. I was of the impression that you had a relationship with someone named Cassia. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1396 "2017-01-17T06:53:23Z")
Kassia, my ex wife but yes she did play for a minute. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1397 "2017-01-17T07:55:15Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Kassia, my ex wife but yes she did play for a minute. And now you see why I was sheepish in assuming your orientation. Like I said, it’s a freakish memory… Not for what it remembers mind you, just that I can’t really control it. Cassia is a term for Cinnamon like spices, that is not strictly speaking from a cinnamon plant. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1398 "2017-01-17T10:13:51Z")
Welcome paul! And welcome back Lakai! ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1399 "2017-01-17T13:06:18Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Cassia is a term for Cinnamon like spices, that is not strictly speaking from a cinnamon plant. Huh. Learn something new every day. Kassia was just her screenname but she chose it because she is a composer and ‘Kassia the nun’ was a Byzantine woman in the Middle Ages (she died in 863 AD) who was a composer and poet and the first in history to have her compositions documented. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2017, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/1400 "2017-01-17T13:27:50Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I think I will go off and quietly consider the switches. What’s Boozy-squid offering tonight? To digest all that, you’re going to need a double, I think. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=69) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577.md?page=71)