# Mafia Reunion: Day Seven **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 21, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419 "2017-02-21T22:09:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/202 "2017-02-23T13:18:46Z")
I don’t have any intention of going down this cookies rabbit hole. There are ten million possibilities regarding her powers and win conditions and we have absolutely no way of verifying any of them. I do think it reasonable, considering some of the other roles in the game, to guess that she had more powers than a simple day/night kill. I do not have any reason to believe she has a bomb. As others have said, it’s perfectly common for an outed SK to say “you got me” and then accept the lynch. Removing players from the voting pool to protect power roles just creates a smaller pool of players for scum to lynch out of. Bad idea. Regarding info: we as town would love for her to give us information because we’re the good guys, but the **fair play** thing for her to do is remain silent - there’s no good reason for her to favor one group of players over the other when neither are her team and she has nothing to gain from it. That’s kingmaking, and it’s bad form in any kind of game. I think the analysis of Cookies’s “my list” comment is probably a wifom rabbit hole. A vanilla SK’s strategy in this game would be to try and kill mafia/wolves at an even pace to prevent either group from winning. If she also has some sort of investigative power, then she especially would have had a mental list of players to look at/kill. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/203 "2017-02-23T14:07:02Z")
An unknowable bomb mechanic is poor game design (as opposed to Patsy, which is a known bomb and perfectly fine) and I don’t think we have poor game designers. So unless someone comes out with concrete information related to it, I’m not going to give it any further thought. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/204 "2017-02-23T15:29:17Z")
On the GLaDOS/Bomb thing: I think it’s paranoia, and I don’t think it sounds plausible. I also don’t see anything warranting this thinking in how Cookies has acted after claiming. Koldanars claim makes me more suspicious of LUTHA. I’m looking forward to hear of crys’ result tomorrow. Lets hope someone does not fuck with it. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/205 "2017-02-23T17:43:15Z")
> [@nesta](#): > > **Vote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** [SPOILER] > > I am concerned that she’s going out without a fight. She could have claimed non-exclusive wincon and offered to work with Town, but instead she raised her middle finger and didn’t volunteer any information we could use. She could be a bomb, but I doubt it. Occam’s razor is that she hasn’t been participating much, so isn’t very invested, so now that she’s caught she might as well fuck with everyone, get lynched, and then she doesn’t have to worry about this game anymore. > > My paranoid side says that she might have a wincon that is advanced if she’s lynched, or she thinks that one more kill before lynch can achieve her wincon. But I’ve learned not to trust my paranoid side. > > It worries me that exclusive third party win conditions are mentioned. The cult claims non-exclusive, but maybe **Cookies** is exclusive. If so, a traditional SK role doesn’t seem to fit this setup, and would be almost impossible to pull off. I think her wincon isn’t to just survive and then be an exclusive winner. If she’s exclusive I think her wincon probably has an easier objective. The theories that she has a list of roles she needs to kill, or eliminating the cult, are worth considering. > > That said, I think she was caught out before she had a chance to fulfill her wincon, and if she’s a Jester of some sort that’s a bastard mod game that I don’t mind losing.[/SPOILER] > > I do note your heroic act of hiding in the bunker while the rest of us poke the bomb with sticks. I understand your concern that **Cookies** is a bomb, but your unvote was premature. We have days yet to figure this out, and you could have pushed the discussion of the possibility without the unvote. You seem afraid. Your self-sacrifice to expand the pool of unvotes comes off as false. Are you a town power-role [rhetorical]? If so, why draw attention to yourself? Or are you cult looking to just survive? Or scum looking for an easy excuse to back away from a perceived threat? > > Ping. RE: the highlighted bits- you don’t seem to deny the possibility of my ‘idea’. Historically my ‘ideas’ don’t gain much traction. So I unvoted to get the publics attention. Yes we have some time, but note that \*\*MHaya \*\*has yet to respond to my idea. \*\* Hooker \*\* for one, (maybe others) is not discounting my idea ( post #168 and forward). I have stated many times that I am Not LUTHA. I could be a Town power role OR I could be a concerned citizen helping to create a smoke screen for the Town power roles ( which I have said more than once as well) There will be Scum that take the out I created, and it will give us data as well. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/206 "2017-02-23T18:01:44Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Thanks for coming forward with this info, and the info on the switch. About the switch, have you thrown it all? if so, which Days/Nights? I have thrown the switch every night. I don’t know who, or what, has altered it on the nights she has made kills. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/207 "2017-02-23T18:05:10Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > Could you post your entire role PM? [QUOTE=NAF1138] Welcome to the game; you are The Pontiff of the Cult of Lutha ALIGNMENT: Third Party (Non-Hostile) YOU WIN along with all members of the Cult, living or dead, if any of the five Cultists of Lutha are alive when the game ends in any other way. BACKGROUND: Some people venerate wealth or power, or chase sirens of fame or possessions. Not you. You care nothing for the bloodlust of the Werewolves, or the base greed and pinstripes of the Mafia, or even for the pleasant camaraderie of the Town. You are the Cult of Lutha, and your numbers are legion. Actually, your numbers are five. You don’t know one another’s names or faces, but so long as even one of you remains alive, the principles of Lutha will triumph in the end. (Postscript: “Lutha” stands for “Leave Us the Hell Alone.” You are no threat to any side. Good luck convincing them of this). POWERS: You are the fly in the ointment, the crack in windowpane, the monkey in the wrench. Your powers sow chaos and confusion, the better to keep you safely hidden in plain sight. In any given cycle, you may use your power either by Day or by Night. Select a primary target, and a secondary target; any power used by the former will be automatically redirected onto the latter. This is an exhausting ability, involving possession and astral projection and a whole lot of Fireball whiskey, so you may never use it in two consecutive Cycles. [/QUOTE] Adding words, because quoting longer stuff doesn’t count as a post. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/208 "2017-02-23T18:23:39Z")
The various people that have volunteered to take one for the team? Yeah, you just helped scum by narrowing the pool for powers. This is what I meant when I said that trying to avoid the theoretical bomb was more likely to cause harm than help. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/209 "2017-02-23T18:47:08Z")
> [@nesta](#): > > If so, a traditional SK role doesn’t seem to fit this setup, and would be almost impossible to pull off. I think her wincon isn’t to just survive and then be an exclusive winner. If she’s exclusive I think her wincon probably has an easier objective. The theories that she has a list of roles she needs to kill, or eliminating the cult, are worth considering. > > That said, I think she was caught out before she had a chance to fulfill her wincon, and if she’s a Jester of some sort that’s a bastard mod game that I don’t mind losing. Yeah a traditional SK role seems absurd in this setup, there’s just too many people to kill. But then I think the LUTHA roles seem to have too easy a wincon so what do I know. That said, I really doubt she’s a bomb too - if she’s 3rd party then being a bomb wouldn’t really advance her position very much since she’d already be dead. Just seems like it would be gastard. **vote cookies** ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/210 "2017-02-23T18:53:25Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Khameleon, Capt K. both seem hinky > > and it is a bruised horse, but the LUTHA that \*\* won’t come forward in good faith \*\* are making me spinner-ey What makes you pro a LUTHA claim but not mason + patsy? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/211 "2017-02-23T18:54:25Z")
> [@Koldanar](#): > > Sorry, I am even more distracted today than I am on other days. > > I’m an every other cycle redirector. This means, once per ‘cycle’, as the mods put it, I can take an action, and redirect it. So if I did this day 1, then I can’t on night 1, day 2, night 2, but can again once day 3 dawns. > > And so far nothing at all has come of this. I’ve been trying to use it to suss scum out, but nothing has happened, as far as I can tell. I get no feedback on what happens. I’ve tried to redirect those I was suspicious of, to see what I could find. > > Night 1 - Chronos. Known Mason, so nothing would have happened. > Night 3 - EnderW. I’m a little confused here, so I need to look back at his post - was he already the IJ then? (On re-read - he picked the day power, so at night nothing would happen). > Day 6 - TexCat. > > I can’t do anything again until the 8th dawn. I have no other abilities, and I do not know anyone else in LUTHA. Is that instead of teh power to confirm another LUTHA? Or in addition? Was it only crys who could confirm? ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/212 "2017-02-23T19:04:42Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Is that instead of teh power to confirm another LUTHA? Or in addition? Was it only crys who could confirm? It’s completely instead - I don’t have any confirmation powers. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/213 "2017-02-23T20:06:39Z")
I dont think Cookies is a bomb. I acknowledge it as a possibility, but I am willing to take the risk. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/214 "2017-02-23T20:14:46Z")
\*\*Day 7 Vote Count Cookies(19): Texcat(4), Hooker(6), Johnnybravo(7), Mhaye(12), Biotop(34), raventhief(36), snfaulkner(37), Captainklutz(38), Koldanar(65), Nanook(66), Hawkeyeop(69), bufftabby(89), plumpudding(110), Guiri(111), zeriel(187), sinjin(191), nesta(196), Scathach(206), Cookies is the obvious lynch leader. Few days left in the Day. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/215 "2017-02-23T22:02:09Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > What makes you pro a LUTHA claim but not mason + patsy? LUTHA is not Town. they need to show good faith if they indeed plan to be pro-town.We can’t check their vote record for same if we don’t know who they are. m masons and patsy are Town. at this time they are fine in the shadows IMO just my thoughts ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/216 "2017-02-23T22:03:33Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Is that instead of teh power to confirm another LUTHA? Or in addition? Was it only crys who could confirm? \*\* sach \*\* claimed they had the power to confirm as well ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/217 "2017-02-23T22:08:05Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > LUTHA is not Town. they need to show good faith if they indeed plan to be pro-town.We can’t check their vote record for same if we don’t know who they are. > m > masons and patsy are Town. at this time they are fine in the shadows IMO > > just my thoughts Just curious since people seem to be very willing to accept LUTHA as claimed. If so then a full LUTHA/mason/patsy claim should be a good thing. I’m not particularly willing to accept LUTHA but I’m obviously in the minority. > [@LightFoot](#): > > \*\* sach \*\* claimed they had the power to confirm as well Curiouser and curiouser. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/218 "2017-02-23T22:09:43Z")
> [@Koldanar](#): > > Sorry, I am even more distracted today than I am on other days. > > I’m an every other cycle redirector. This means, once per ‘cycle’, as the mods put it, I can take an action, and redirect it. So if I did this day 1, then I can’t on night 1, day 2, night 2, but can again once day 3 dawns. > > And so far nothing at all has come of this. I’ve been trying to use it to suss scum out, but nothing has happened, as far as I can tell. I get no feedback on what happens. I’ve tried to redirect those I was suspicious of, to see what I could find. > > Night 1 - Chronos. Known Mason, so nothing would have happened. > Night 3 - EnderW. I’m a little confused here, so I need to look back at his post - was he already the IJ then? (On re-read - he picked the day power, so at night nothing would happen). > Day 6 - TexCat. > > I can’t do anything again until the 8th dawn. I have no other abilities, and I do not know anyone else in LUTHA. To go back to this. Your wincondition is simply to survive or have one of your team survive right? So, without being funny, why are you trying to suss scum out? Why wouldn’t you be trying to suss your LUTHA teammates out and then using your redirection to protect them? ---
**Author:** ![Cygnus42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Cygnus42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cygnus42)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/219 "2017-02-23T22:12:30Z")
Hi all - coming back after a very busy week, and unpacking all the claims and results has been very interesting, if confusing. I’ll likely have to read it over again tomorrow / weekend for things to sink in. I don’t see much reason to buy into the ‘bomb’ idea for the SK - it wouldn’t really be good game design for something to come along and wipe out a large chunk of the remaining players like that. So, I think schemes to mitigate the effects of a bomb are not that useful. I will join the crowd and **Vote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** I can see why some feel like this vote is too easy - we’ve had a few cases where we had an ‘easy’ lynch train that turned out to be wrong - like Inner yesterDay. That’s something I want to start to investigate when I get some time - the days where we lynched a townie with a large chunk of the voters, and mainly uncontested - who started up those cases? In this game, it seems like a good scum tactic would be to build a plausible case against anyone not on their scum team, and let others jump on board agreeing with it - I know I’ve been motivated by the cases others put together, if I can find something plausible in it. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/220 "2017-02-23T22:18:11Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Just curious since people seem to be very willing to accept LUTHA as claimed. If so then a full LUTHA/mason/patsy claim should be a good thing. I’m not particularly willing to accept LUTHA but I’m obviously in the minority. > > Curiouser and curiouser. as far as we know LUTHA does not effect Towns win con. they do effect Scums win con ( via the numbers) But any dead non Scum ( M/W respectively) is fine with them(Scum). If some of the cultists can cross confirm Town comes out ahead.-- it would do very little for Scum (M/W respectively) at this time. Masons know who each other are already-they are operating in tandem even though they can’t speak privately. is that even a bit sensical? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2017, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/221 "2017-02-23T22:29:31Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > An unknowable bomb mechanic is poor game design (as opposed to Patsy, which is a known bomb and perfectly fine) and I don’t think we have poor game designers. So unless someone comes out with concrete information related to it, I’m not going to give it any further thought. I agree with this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419.md?page=12)