# Mafia Reunion: Day Seven **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 21, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419 "2017-02-21T22:09:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/342 "2017-02-27T02:09:23Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > You should. It’s a great puzzler in a FPS wrapper that should please you if you’re either. And it’s really funny. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/343 "2017-02-27T02:16:34Z")
my list has not changed much- Klutz.Khameleon.Hawkeye- and on a sniggle Koldanar. are m tops (incase I wake up dead) I have a bit of time this clock day and no one is around ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/344 "2017-02-27T03:34:09Z")
Good game **Cookies**. Thanks for not blowing us up. **crys** , hope to play with you again soon. **Mahaloth** , I don’t know if you’ve got the same sickness I’ve got, but this is certainly the worst I have felt illness-wise in years. I can’t even call out sick because half the staff at work is sick…so because I am a manager I gotta show up regardless. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/345 "2017-02-27T04:41:47Z")
Sickyness is the worst. Especially when it strikes for people that cannot take off to recover. I am thrilled that GladOS did not blow us the fuck up. Or ned up ot quite dead. But at least we have cake! No cake? That was a lie? Damn. Ok at least we no longer have a serial killer loose in the town. The coloration throws me off - crys and cookies have the same color. the logical part of my brain says “there are only so many colors for people and groups,” The squirrel that lives in my head says “But they are the same color. Also, I would like a peanut.” ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/346 "2017-02-27T07:18:04Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Don’t trust me on the capitalization. I haven’t played portal. Play it! Just ask SNF. If you don’t play it the cake won’t be a lie! ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/347 "2017-02-27T07:19:28Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Well, Crys could have confirmed Koldanar as a cultist. Killing her leaves his alignment in doubt. > > Alternately, Crys could have confirmed Koldanar as **not** a cultist, and killing her leaves his alignment in doubt. This. Leaning towards the latter as it seems a much better reason for choosing her. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/348 "2017-02-27T15:36:17Z")
I tend to agree. His claimed actions, and the way everything had to be dragged out of him one little piece at a time, makes the whole claim feel off. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/349 "2017-02-27T16:06:15Z")
I’m still leaning towards “Koldanar is cult but they’re lying about their wincon,” but I won’t be surprised to learn otherwise. If Koldanar is scum, he’s a very juicy kill target for the other scum team and they’ll have to weigh their kills against that. If he’s a cultist, he’s still a tasty target for either team since he’s a body in the way of their victory. I updated the player list just because we’ve had important changes. > [@nesta](#): > > **Player list** > > **The Living** (25): > 3. Biotop > 6. bufftabby > 7. Captain Klutz > 13. [del]DaphneBlack[/del]Lakai 2 - [Not Mafia (Enderw24)] > 17. Guiri > 19. hawkeyeop > 21. HookerChemical > 25. Johnny Bravo > 27. Khameleon > 28. Koldanar > 30. LightFoot - [Not Mafia (Enderw24)] > 32. MHaye - Watcher > 33. Nanook of the North Shore > 34. Nesta > 37. Plumpudding > 38. [del]Precambrian mollusk[/del]Cygnus 42 > 40. Raventhief > 44. Scathach > 46. sinjin > 47. snfaulkner > 50. Texcat > 53. Total Lost > 55. Zeriel > > **The Deceased** (30): > 12. Dante G – ModKilled D1 –Vanilla Town > 29. Lakai 1 – Lynched D1 - Vanilla Town > 35. Normal Phase – Daykilled D1 - Investigative Journalist > 45. septimus – Daykilled D1 - EMT - [Killed by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (MHaye)] > 48. Suburban Plankton – Nightkiled N1 (1) Homicide Detective > 9. Colby11 – Nightkilled N1 – Vanilla Town > 5. brewha – Lynched D2 – Vanilla Town > 8. Chronos – Daykilled D2 - Mason > 15. Drain Bead - Nightkilled N2 - Leprechaun > 41. Red Skeezix - Modkilled D3 - Vanilla Town > 43. Sario – poofed D3 - Wizard > 23. Idle Thoughts - Lynched D3 - Vanilla Town > 26. jsgoddess - Daykilled D3 - Beta Wolf > 51. Thing Fish - Daykilled D3 - Omega Wolf > > 1. AngeloftheNorth - Nightkilled N3 - Vanilla Town > 2. Toejam - Nightkilled N3 - Doctor Seward - [Killed by Mafia Hitman Hal Briston (MHaye)] > 3. DiggitCamara - Lynched D4 - Vanilla Town > 4. Boozahol Squid, P.I. - Lynched D4 - Outrider > 5. Pleonast - Daykilled D4 - Seer > 6. BillMc - Nightkilled N4 - Whelp > 7. Sunny Daze - Nightkilled N4 - Informant > 8. Hockey Monkey - Nightkilled N4 - Consigliere - [Killed by Wolves (MHaye)] > 9. Prof. Pepperwinkle - Lynched D5 - Vanilla Town > 10. Sachertorte - Daykilled D5 - First Deacon > 11. [del]Winston Smith[/del]Paulwhoisaghost - Nightkilled N5 - Vanilla Town - [Killed by Wolves (MHaye)] > 12. Meeko - Modkilled D6 - Vanilla Town > 13. Inner Stickler - Lynched D6 - Vanilla Town > 14. Hoopy Frood - Daykilled D6 - alternative universe Batman > 15. EnderW24 - Nightkilled N6 - Understudy (Investigative Journalist) > 16. Hal Briston - Nightkilled N6 - Hitman > 17. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies - Daykilled D7 - SK > 18. crys75 - Daykilled D7 - Cultist (Second) > > _Alive:_\* > Town (7 confirmable, 6 vanilla): > A Townsperson x7 > The Patsy - Miller > The Watcher - Day and Night cycle wather - MHaye > The Basement-Based Tinkerer - Night action, each only once: reset all switches to on; previous Day and Night watcher; block Consigliere and Omega Wolf for next Day-Night cycle. > A Mason x3 > The Zoning Inspector - Day roleblocker > > Cult (3): > Pontiff - Every-other cycle redirector - Koldanar [claimed] > Other x2 > > Mafia (4): > The Godfather - First kill of them will fail > The Bodyguard - Night protect, but dies instead > The Mook - One time use power of dead teammate > The Enforcer - Roleblocker for following Day and Night > > Wolves (3): > The Alpha Wolf - First kill of them will fail > The Bloodhound - Day tracker > The Trickster - Roleblocker for current Day and following Night > > - Claims included with a grain of salt. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/350 "2017-02-27T17:25:04Z")
How many of us remain? I think it’s 23, not 25. Cookies was lynched, not day killed. The mafia have killed both of the dead LUTHAs. Perhaps they’ll take care of the other 3 of them for us, as well. (If there are, in fact, 3 more.) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/351 "2017-02-27T17:30:02Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Cookies was lynched, not day killed. I knew I’d screw something up. 100% inevitable. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/352 "2017-02-27T18:07:29Z")
> [@Khameleon](#): > > This. Leaning towards the latter as it seems a much better reason for choosing her. Sure - let’s look at the two scenarios. 1. I am cult, and she was killed. No one trusts I am cult. Win for the scum (Both sides) for there to be doubt. 2. I am some flavor of scum, hiding under a fake cult claim. This only benefits one scum team - Mafia kill during the day, wolves at night, so a mafia kill of crys would cast doubt on me. If I am mafia, would I want that attention? So it would make sense to assume I’m wolf? Maybe - seems complicated. Does that make sense? I think they would like to cast doubt - cause those out there that doubt me to doubt even more. Distract, as it were. This also assumes the other two out there haven’t themselves investigated me. Any other reason for her kill doesn’t make sense - she has been out there as a Cult member since day 2, and hasn’t been a threat at all to anyone. Unless there is something we all don’t know - again, we’ll go crazy thinking that way. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/353 "2017-02-27T20:10:34Z")
What killing the claimed cultists has done for scum, IMHO, has muddied the waters, making it basically impossible to hard-confirm Koldanar. I would be INSANELY suspicious of any further cult claims now, too. Which may also be part of the point–this renders the cult impotent as a semi-confirmed pool that Town can avoid lynching in, which would have been nice as far as we trusted your description of your win condition. It’s relatively plausible that Koldanar is actually scum playing some kinda WIFOM scum-wouldn’t-do-that game, mind you. Not sure we’d have any reasonable way to choose there. In short, I think the most we can draw from this is my initial paragraph: Scum, plausibly, doesn’t want a semi-confirmed non-scum pool around. This fits either “Koldanar is also cult” or “Koldanar is scum trying to hide in muddied waters” scenarios, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/354 "2017-02-27T21:48:22Z")
> [@Crys75](#): > > Reading. That’s where I am. I’m going to investigate kolander tonight then I know that we all know **Crys** _could_ find out whether **Koldanar** was a cult member or not - but I just wanted to throw in the reminder that she actually _said_ that was what she was planning on doing toNight. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/355 "2017-02-27T22:49:41Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Did **MHaye** ever tell us what **Guiri** did last night? I recall only learning what she did during the day. Mhaye’s a girl? I was quite lonesome again: > [@MHaye](#): > > This reread has led me to the realisation that I never reported on activities at _chez_ guiri last Night. > > guiri had no visitors. I’d say it was as quiet as the grave, but I never go there, remember? > [@Koldanar](#): > > Sure - let’s look at the two scenarios. > > 1. I am cult, and she was killed. No one trusts I am cult. Win for the scum (Both sides) for there to be doubt. > > 2. I am some flavor of scum, hiding under a fake cult claim. This only benefits one scum team - Mafia kill during the day, wolves at night, so a mafia kill of crys would cast doubt on me. If I am mafia, would I want that attention? So it would make sense to assume I’m wolf? Maybe - seems complicated. > > Does that make sense? I think they would like to cast doubt - cause those out there that doubt me to doubt even more. Distract, as it were. This also assumes the other two out there haven’t themselves investigated me. > > Any other reason for her kill doesn’t make sense - she has been out there as a Cult member since day 2, and hasn’t been a threat at all to anyone. Unless there is something we all don’t know - again, we’ll go crazy thinking that way. Three scenarios: - you’re cult, killing Crys adds to the chance you’ll be lynched - you’re mafia, Crys would have learned you’re not cult, she needed to go - you’re a wolf, as with cult, increased chance you’ll be lynched There were quite a few questions about your claim, have you answered them all? I asked about your N3 choice, why you didn’t mention targets when you claimed, and what kind of results you were expecting. What makes you think the other two cultists can investigate you, since you say you can’t investigate? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/356 "2017-02-28T00:19:08Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > What killing the claimed cultists has done for scum, IMHO, has muddied the waters, making it basically impossible to hard-confirm Koldanar. > > I would be INSANELY suspicious of any further cult claims now, too. Which may also be part of the point–this renders the cult impotent as a semi-confirmed pool that Town can avoid lynching in, which would have been nice as far as we trusted your description of your win condition. > > It’s relatively plausible that Koldanar is actually scum playing some kinda WIFOM scum-wouldn’t-do-that game, mind you. Not sure we’d have any reasonable way to choose there. > > In short, I think the most we can draw from this is my initial paragraph: Scum, plausibly, doesn’t want a semi-confirmed non-scum pool around. This fits either “Koldanar is also cult” or “Koldanar is scum trying to hide in muddied waters” scenarios, IMHO. Why would you be so suspicious of further cult claims? I actually think the other cultists should come forward now. If there are indeed just 2 other claimants then we have all 5 cultists and nowhere for scum to hide. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/357 "2017-02-28T00:45:28Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > What killing the claimed cultists has done for scum, IMHO, has muddied the waters, making it basically impossible to hard-confirm Koldanar. > > I would be INSANELY suspicious of any further cult claims now, too. Which may also be part of the point–this renders the cult impotent as a semi-confirmed pool that Town can avoid lynching in, which would have been nice as far as we trusted your description of your win condition. > > It’s relatively plausible that Koldanar is actually scum playing some kinda WIFOM scum-wouldn’t-do-that game, mind you. Not sure we’d have any reasonable way to choose there. > > In short, I think the most we can draw from this is my initial paragraph: Scum, plausibly, doesn’t want a semi-confirmed non-scum pool around. This fits either “Koldanar is also cult” or “Koldanar is scum trying to hide in muddied waters” scenarios, IMHO. we don’t yet know if other cultists can investigate — it would be helpful if one came forward. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/358 "2017-02-28T01:55:29Z")
Four deacons and a pontiff? I like how a five member cult has a pontiff. Since scum is killing LUTHA, I don’t think the other two LUTHA will come forward. Unlike Town, if they die it doesn’t help their win condition. It would be helpful to the Town if LUTHA do come forward. It would make scum hunting somewhat easier if we know who LUTHA members are. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/359 "2017-02-28T02:24:45Z")
The cult may have a structure like any faction - in other words, one or two may be vanilla cult, with no powers. I dont know how likely that is, but its possible. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/360 "2017-02-28T02:48:11Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > The cult may have a structure like any faction - in other words, one or two may be vanilla cult, with no powers. I dont know how likely that is, but its possible. Is there vanilla scum? If anything, most factions in this game don’t have vanilla members. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/361 "2017-02-28T02:48:55Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Four deacons and a pontiff? I like how a five member cult has a pontiff. > > Since scum is killing LUTHA, I don’t think the other two LUTHA will come forward. Unlike Town, if they die it doesn’t help their win condition. It would be helpful to the Town if LUTHA do come forward. It would make scum hunting somewhat easier if we know who LUTHA members are. Like I typed before- since \*\* crys \*\* lured/ appeased us with " the cult wants to be pro Town" popsicle. They need to share in good faith with Town. But it seems they are not willing to do that- so IMO Scum can have at them [sorry rude?] although I do think Scum will leave one LUTHA alive- so they can hide in that pool if forced to claim ( even if that will only work for one cycle) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419.md?page=19)