# Mafia Reunion: Day Seven **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [February 21, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419 "2017-02-21T22:09:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/382 "2017-02-28T21:07:23Z")
\ I am almost home - stuck in traffic. Day Eight to begin immediately thereafter, unless one of my compatriots gets in before I do. \ ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/383 "2017-02-28T21:12:38Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Nice smudge, but I’ve already said that my working theory is that you’re lying cult, not scum. > > I think your role reveals more than you want to reveal, so you moved things around to create a bowdlerized claim. It would explain why your claim process was so dragged out. > > You’ve had “scummy vibes” from me all game? Could you be more concrete? I’m one of the most prolific posters still alive, so maybe you could go ahead and quantify what’s scummy about me other than the fact that I’m’a callin’ you out. OOG : Just as an aside, since the day is over - No one takes these games personally, right? As in, if I am going after you, or vice versa, it’s all good outside the game, yea? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/384 "2017-02-28T21:21:25Z")
I said as much to Inner Stickler: this is a game about unfounded accusations and whisper-thin case-making. The only thing that peeves me off in Mafia is people who don’t play at all. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/385 "2017-02-28T21:26:17Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I said as much to Inner Stickler: this is a game about unfounded accusations and whisper-thin case-making. The only thing that peeves me off in Mafia is people who don’t play at all. Good 🙂 It’s hard to tell sometimes, this all being in text. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/386 "2017-02-28T21:31:06Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > \*\*\ > > I am almost home - stuck in traffic. Day Eight to begin immediately thereafter, unless one of my compatriots gets in before I do. > > \\*\* **this post has been greened by the greengrocer** ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/387 "2017-02-28T21:48:02Z")
You absolutely have to use meta data to examine role claims. Role claims mean nothing without context. That said, this a game run by three separate people, so I wouldn’t be surprised with inconsistent role pms. Particularly with something like 3rd party roles that could easily be done by a different person than the main roles. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/388 "2017-02-28T21:56:46Z")
There are quite a lot of role PMs in the public sheet and they’re all very consistent with one another. I think Occam’s razor would tell us that the very few 3rd-party roles would also be consistent - not the other way around. Besides, the actual content of the role doesn’t feel at all out of place. The problem is the layout. It’s all wrong. It feels stitched together. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/389 "2017-02-28T22:08:32Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Okay, I had this whole thing typed up about LUTHA claims and so on, and that meandered me to look at Koldanar’s claim again. > > **Guys, please pay attention and comment.** > > Here is Koldanar’s role claim: > > I started thinking that it was odd how Koldanar’s BACKGROUND was precisely the same as Crys and Sachertorte even though his role is different. This doesn’t jive for a game with so much detail put into every single role. > > Then I looked at his POWERS section. > > **It does not match the other roles in the public document.** > > Go look. There is very little fluff for the other powers. For the most part, they get right to the mechanics. If there is fluff, it’s minor. If there’s fluff at the **beginning** of a power description, it’s extremely minor so as to not get in the way of the actual power. There is no role in the entire document that has as much silliness as Koldanar’s **in the POWERS section.** > > Chunks of Koldanar’s POWERS section look, 100%, would belong in the BACKGROUND section of any other role. > > Summary: > > - Koldanar’s BACKGROUND section matches the Deacons exactly even though he is a different role altogether. > - Koldanar’s POWERS section has too much fluff in it as compared to the other POWERS sections in the public role list. > > Conclusion: Koldanar’s claim is fake. I don’t have any problem with this kind of meta analysis, but I don’t really buy your theory. There’s plenty of fluff in the Basement/consiglierie/omega POWER sections. Maybe not quite as much as what K is caliming in his POWER section, but enough to make me think this is a non-issue. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/390 "2017-02-28T22:13:20Z")
I went back to look at [Crys’s claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19936233&postcount=561): > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by NAF1138 > Welcome to the game; you are The Second Deacon of the Cult of Lutha > > ALIGNMENT: Third Party (Non-Hostile) > YOU WIN along with all members of the Cult, living or dead, if any of the (number redacted) Cultists of Lutha are alive when the game ends in any way. > > BACKGROUND: > Some people venerate wealth or power, or chase sirens of fame or possessions. Not you. You care nothing for the bloodlust of the Werewolves, or the base greed and pinstripes of the Mafia, or even for the pleasant camaraderie of the Town. You are the Cult of Lutha, and your numbers are legion. Actually, your numbers are (redacted). You don’t know one another’s names or faces, but so long as even one of you remains alive, the principles of Lutha will triumph in the end. > > (Postscript: “Lutha” stands for “Leave Us the Hell Alone.” You are no threat to any side. Good luck convincing them of this). > > POWERS: > You may investigate any player by Night to determine whether your target is a fellow Cultist. However, once you successfully find such a player, you may no longer continue to investigate. I couldn’t find Sachertorte’s PM. Did he ever post it? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419/391 "2017-02-28T23:06:36Z")
Vote records updated **Day 1** [spoiler] **Lakai** (17): InnerSticker[257], [del]SNF[295-1205][/del], RedSkeez[319], PlumPudding[647], Lightfoot[883], Koldanar[900], [del]Guiri[977-1182][/del], HoopyFrood[1031], Angel[1078], Meeko[1082], HockeyMonkey[1102], Drain[1108], RavenThief[1109], JSGoddess[1129], MHaye[1176], Nesta[1187], BuffTabby[1194], Cookies[1206], Nanook[1208] **ToeJam** (15): [del]CaptKlutz[57-347][/del], Sunny Daze[113], [del]Normal[147-322][/del], Hooker[184], Sinjin[200], Sachertorte[534], [del]Lakai[775-1006][/del], CaptKlutz[796], Normal[1011], ProfP[1057], BillMc[1152], Septimus[1155], Biotop[1178], Guiri[1182], Ender[1195], Chronos[1197], SNF[1205],Lakai[1209] **Colby** (6): Texcat[91], [del]Guiri[101-977][/del], [del]Septimus[106-231][/del], [del]Meeko[130-1082][/del], ToeJam[132], [del]HockeyMonkey[152-1101][/del], [del]Lakai[154-775][/del], [del]Suburban[162-541][/del], [del]Diggit[249-264][/del], Hawkeye[350], [del]Nanook[455-1208][/del], Brewha[683], Pleonast[841], [del]Septimus[993-1034][/del], Suburban[1026] **Angel** (3): [del]SNF[37-157][/del], Zeriel[413], TotalLost[493], [del]JSGoddess[503-716][/del], BoozySquid[546], [del]Septimus[981-993][/del], [del]Lakai[1006-1209][/del] **Pleonast** (1): [del]Septimus[85-106][/del], ThingFish[794], [del]Normal[824-1011][/del], [del]Nesta[1187-1187][/del] **Normal Phase** (1): [del]Texcat[29-91][/del], Johnny Bravo[36], [del]Pleonast[241-511][/del] **Septimus** (1): Ender[243], [del]TotalLost[273-493][/del], [del]Normal[322-714][/del], [del]Colby[335-946][/del], [del]CaptKlutz[347-796][/del], [del]HoopyFrood[480-736][/del], [del]Pleonast[511-841][/del] **SNF** (1): Diggit[264] **Texcat** (1): Scathach[758] **Brewha** (1): Colby[946] **JohnnyBravo** (0): [del]Meeko[41-130][/del], [del]BuffTabby[259-1094][/del], [del]Septimus[488-659][/del] **Meeko[**(0): [del]Drain[94-888][/del] **Drain** (0): [del]Angel[97-542][/del] **BoozySquid** (0): [del]Normal[102-147][/del], [del]SNF[157-295][/del], [del]Angel[542-1078][/del], [del]Biotop[709-957][/del] **JSGoddess** (0): [del]Chronos[183-917][/del] **Hawkeye** (0): [del]BoozySquid[188-540][/del] **Capt Klutz** (0): [del]HoopyFrood[195-480][/del], [del]Drain[889-1108][/del] **Biotop** (0): [del]PlumPudding[412-470][/del] **Prof.P.** (0): [del]PlumPudding[472-647][/del], [del]Septimus[659-981][/del] **Ender** (0): [del]ProfP[528-545][/del] **PlumPudding** (0): [del]Suburban[541-1026][/del] **Koldanar** (0): [del]ProfP[545-908][/del] **TotalLost** (0): [del]RavenThief[679-912][/del], [del]JSGoddess[716-1129][/del] **Scathach** (0): [del]HoopyFrood[798-1031][/del] **ThingFish** (0): [del]Chronos[917-1197][/del] **Chronos** (0): [del]Biotop[957-1178][/del] **Not voting** (9): Crys, DaphneBlack, HalBriston, Khameleon, PrecambrianMollusc, WinstonSmith, Sario, IdleThoughts[/spoiler] **Day 2** [spoiler] **brewha** (16): [del]bufftabby(373-417)[/del], Chronos(538), [del]Biotop(543-909)[/del], BoozaholSquid(556), Cometothe…Cookies(575), [del]sachertorte(576-913)[/del], [del]HookerChemical(621-688)[/del], bufftabby(622), DrainBead(638), [del]raventhief(646-1002)[/del], paulwhoisaghost(703), Khameleon(716), Lakai(720), [del]HookerChemical(722-988)[/del], Meeko(726), ToeJam(730), Crys75(743), JohnnyBravo(767), Prof. Pepperwinkle(794), BillMc(947), TotalLost (957), InnerStickler(1033) **ToeJam** (14): [del]raventhief(31-597)[/del], IdleThoughts(32), [del]Sunny Daze(34-318)[/del], Biotop(909), sachertorte(913), CaptainKlutz(950), sinjin(955), HookerChemical(988), guiri(995), brewha(998), ThingFish(1000), raventhief(1002), Sunny Daze (1023), MHaye(1036), jsgoddess(1038), nesta(1039) **Crys75** (8): [del]Guiri(262-812)[/del], [del]SunnyDaze(568-1023)[/del], HockeyMonkey(584), DiggitCamara(588), AngeloftheNorth(595), Texcat(639), [del]CaptainKlutz(640-950)[/del], snfaulkner(641); [del]jsgoddess(795-976)[/del], Hawkeyeop(803), Zeriel(860), Scathach(959) **Texcat** (1): Plumpudding (68) **Thing Fish** (1): Pleonast(121) **Chronos** (1): Nanook (151) **HockeyMonkey** (1): HoopyFrood(663) **snfaulkner** (1): [del]DiggitCamara(250-588)[/del], [del]Texcat(633-639)[/del], [del]Guiri(812-995)[/del], koldanar(819) **Pleonast** (1): Lightfoot(288), [del]HookerChemical(295-621)[/del], [del]ThingFish(297-1000)[/del], [del]jsgoddess(976-1038)[/del] **Plumpudding** (0): [del]SunnyDaze (318-508)[/del] **Angelofthenorth** (0): [del]Zeriel(60-529)[/del], [del]BoozaholSquid, P.I.(80-556)[/del] **Idle Thoughts** (0): [del]Angelofthenorth (44-595)[/del] **BillMc** (0): [del]DrainBead(132-638)[/del], [del]Texcat(179-633)[/del] **jsgoddess** (0): [del]HoopyFrood(294-663)[/del] **DiggitCamara** (0): [del]snfaulkner(332-641)[/del], [del]Paulwhoisaghost(386-699)[/del] **CaptainKlutz** (0): [del]DrainBead(45-132)[/del], [del]SunnyDaze(567-568)[/del], [del]Crys75(583-743)[/del] **Meeko** (0): [del]JohnnyBravo(169-767)[/del] **Sario** (0): [del]Prof. Pepperwinkle(45-794)[/del], [del]Cometothe…Cookies(523-575)[/del] **Paulwhoisaghost** (0): [del]Zeriel(529-860)[/del] **sachertorte** (0): [del]Meeko(201-726)[/del], [del]brewha(806-998)[/del] **Non-voters** (5): EnderW24, HalBriston, Precambrianmollusc, RedSkeezix, Sario[/spoiler] **Day 3** [spoiler] **IdleThoughts** (17): SunnyDaze(182), raventhief(207), [del]ToeJam(259-408)[/del], [del]HalBriston(300-923)[/del], [del]Prof.Pepperwinkle(398-692)[/del], [del]Paulwhoisaghost(515-710)[/del], Nanook(528), Biotop(533), JohnnyBravo(536), [del]Plumpudding(552-889)[/del], [del]Angelofthenorth(554-778)[/del], HockeyMonkey(576), Khameleon(593), sinjin(632), CaptainKlutz(699), Lightfoot(715), nesta(731), Hawkeyeop(758), BillMC(765), Zeriel(807), [del]snfaulkner(821-836)[/del], Angelofthenorth(873), [del]TexCat(874-908)[/del], Plumpudding(897), Cookies(917) **Prof. Pepperwinkle** (14): [del]TexCat(278-874)[/del], jsgoddess(332), [del]Paulwhoisaghost(343-515)[/del], [del]Pleonast(345-602)[/del], InnerStickler(347), [del]Lightfoot(354-715)[/del], [del]HockeyMonkey(367-576)[/del], ToeJam(408), Bufftabby(420), [del]Biotop(458-532)[/del], Enderw24(588), IdleThoughts(590), Pleonast(602), Sachertorte(656), MHaye(674), Cygnus42(818), TotalLost(837), HoopyFrood(877), [del]ThingFish(901-903)[/del], TexCat(908), HalBriston(923) **Boozahol Squid** (2): [del]HoopyFrood(286-877)[/del], [del]Angelofthenorth(303-554[/del]), [del]CaptainKlutz(487-699)[/del], Guiri(772), [del]Angelofthenorth(778-873)[/del], snfaulkner(83) **Khameleon** (2): Meeko(319), [del]ThingFish(632-901)[/del], ThingFish(903) **Enderw24** (1): [del]Nanook(28-528)[/del], Crys75(34) **Crys75** (1): BoozaholSquid(499) **Sachertorte** (1): [del]JohnnyBravo(14-536)[/del], [del]Prof. Pepperwinkle(339-398)[/del], Prof.Pepperwinkle(692) **ThingFish** (1): [del]Pleonast(141-345)[/del], Diggitcamara(691) **HockeyMonkey** (1): Lakai(704) **Diggitcamara** (1): [del]Guiri(740-772)[/del], Paulwhoisaghost(796) **Pleonast** (1): [del]Paulwhoisaghost(116-158)[/del], [del]Plumpudding(222-552)[/del], HookerChemical(814) **ToeJam** (0): [del]HookerChemical(9-708)[/del], [del]snfaulkner(17-299)[/del], [del]BillMC(23-673)[/del], [del]Sinjin(53-632)[/del], [del]Biotop(112-296)[/del], [del]CaptainKlutz(118-298)[/del], [del]Angelofthenorth(134-303)[/del] **Non-voters** (2): Koldanar, Scathach[/spoiler] **Day 4** [spoiler] **DiggitCamara** (14): Paulwhoisaghost(20), Totallost(172), GuiriEnEspana(263), Koldanar(376), BillMC(422), HookerChemical(438), Prof.P(511), raventhief(516), Boozy(518), HoopyFrood(519), Lakai(521), SunnyDaze(529), Cygnus42(530), [del]JohnnyBravo(534-546)[/del], bufftabby (535) **BoozaholSquid** (14): CaptainKlutz(45), EnderW24(102), Biotop(180), snfaulkner(192), [del]HookerChemical(262-438)[/del], DiggitCamera(288), Meeko(302), Hawkeyeop(320), Inner Stickler(346), Sachertorte(523), Plumpudding(524), Texcat(525), Cookies(543), HockeyMonkey(544), JohnnyBravo(546) **Prof. Pepperwinkle** (6): [del]BoozaholSquid(48-61)[/del], [del]Pleonast(121-142)[/del], Pleonast(142), Nanook(152), [del]bufftabby(197-535)[/del], Zeriel(353), MHaye(417), sinjin(435), Lightfoot(473) **EnderW** (1): Crys(15) **HookerChemical** (0): [del]Lakai(46-440)[/del] **sachertorte** (0): [del]Prof.P(419-511)[/del] **Meeko** (0): [del]BoozaholSquid(314-518)[/del] **Texcat** (0): [del]HoopyFrood(315-519)[/del] **Biotop** (0): [del]Lakai(440-521)[/del], [del]sachertorte(452)[/del] **Paulwhoisaghost** (0): [del]Texcat(471-525)[/del] **Hal Briston** (0): [del]Plumpudding(298-524)[/del], [del]HockeyMonkey(305-527)[/del] **Khameleon** (0): [del]JohnnyBravo(26-534)[/del], [del]HoopyFrood(52-315)[/del], [del]Prof.P(154-419)[/del] **Not voting** (4): HalBriston, Khameleon, Nesta, Scathach[/spoiler] **Day 5** [spoiler] **Prof Pepperwinkle** (15): Hawkeyeop(6), paulwiag(19), Lakai(50), bufftabby(57), [del]snfaulkner(68-231)[/del], sinjin(104), Biotop(129), CaptainKlutz(138), [del]JohnnyBravo(142-296)[/del], DarkCookies(192), Khameleon(201), Mhaye(224), LightFoot(230), Zeriel(257), Cygnus42(353), Nanook(395), Koldanar(431) **TexCat** (3): PlumPudding(38), HoopyFrood(229), nesta(438) **Nanook** (2): Sachertorte(225), HookerChemical(253) **Sachertorte** (2): JohnnyBravo(296), Prof P(445) **Johnny Bravo** (1): InnerStickler(314), [del]Koldanar(341-357)[/del] **Khameleon** (1): Snfaulkner(231) **Paulwhoisaghost** (1): TexCat(22) **Total Lost** (1): Guiri(429)[/spoiler] **Day 6** [spoiler] **Inner** (7): Texcat(55), Johnny(81), Hooker(85), Raven(89), Cygnus(127), Lakai(188), Ender(198) **Texcat** (4): Hoopy(24), [del]Klutz(26-102)[/del], Plump([del]31-50[/del],50), Guiri(94), Nesta(205) **Khameleon** (3): snfaulkner(6), [del]Johnny(10-81)[/del], Crys(173), Lightfoot(201) **Hal** (3): Bufftabby(143), Hawkeyeop(162), MHaye(208) **Johnny** (1): Inner(32) **Zeriel** (1): Biotop(65) **Snfaulkner** (1): Khameleon(182) **Cygnus** (1): Klutz(185) **Klutz** (0): [del]Texcat(35-55)[/del] **Total** (0): [del]Guiri(40-94)[/del] **Not voting** (9): **Cookies** , **Hal** , **Koldanar** , **Nanook** , **Scathach** , **Sinjin** , Total, **Zeriel** [/spoiler] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-seven/780419.md?page=19)