# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/181 "2017-01-25T20:22:12Z")
You know what I find really weird. I mentioned that I was going to do a comparison of the brewha and crys trains from yesterDay and see what information shakes out form the vote/unvote record. Guess what? Unless I missed something **there was absolutely no overlap between the two trains**! None. People jumped off both to join the ToeJam train or possibly a one-off–I wasn’t really paying attention to where they ended up while looking at this, but there were no cross-voters. Since the reasons for lynching them were completely different, the reasons for not-lynching them were also completely different, and the ToeJam case is fairly weak, in my opinion and some others here, I’m really surprised that no one moved from one to the other. Even when Crys claimed no one jumped to her from Brewha, though plenty of non-voters formed a train against her. Even as the merits of both cases were weighed out, no one switched to the other train. Am I the only one who finds that odd? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/182 "2017-01-25T20:25:49Z")
OK - This may be early, but I don’t know how sick I will get. Because **Idle Thoughts** has NOT been playing to his normal specs, and, in fact has been playing in a manner that is consistent with past statements or behaviors that would indicate that he is not town, I am leaning towards believing him scum. Yes, I am using past behavior as a guide, which has weaknesses. I acknowledge, but I use this as my starting point for the week. If other, stronger contenders emerge, I will move my vote if I believe it appropriate. **Vote Idle Thoughts** ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/183 "2017-01-25T20:31:22Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > > [@Pleonast](#): > > > > **Thing Fish** said “It reads to me like you could be scum advising your teammates on how to play and/or hinting to them that you are that seventh guy who didn’t show up to chat”. That implicitly states that Scum do not learn the identity of all their teammates on their secret board. Otherwise, why would a Scum player need to hint they were the seventh guy who didn’t show up to chat? > > > > Only a player who has read a secret board would know it doesn’t reveal all their teammates. It’s not stated anywhere in the rules. Thus, **Thing Fish** has revealed they’ve read a Scum secret board, and so must be Scum. This is a slam-dunk case of perfect information slippage. > > > > Of course I started the conversation! That’s the whole point of discussing Scum–so that they inadvertently make mistakes when discussing themselves. > > He was talking about what You said.YOU Yes, **Thing Fish** was talking about what I said, but gave information that I did not. Information that only someone who’s been reading a Scum board would know. > [@LightFoot](#): > > Not down play but if they did things AFTER that one post D1 that you find suspect- explain away. If not then you are discounting the rest of the Days. I’m not discounting anything. I am making my cases based on Day One reads. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/184 "2017-01-25T20:43:16Z")
OK, **Pleo** , I think I may actually see what you mean. You are saying that I assumed that, when one logs onto the scum board, one doesn’t see a list of all the other scum; therefore, if a scum didn’t post any comments, the other scum would have no way of knowing who he/she was. And you are thinking that this constitutes PIS? Well, I did assume that. I’ve never been on a scum board in an SDMB game, but that is how the ones on giraffe work. So all of your scum leans are from early Day One, though you’re commenting on developments since. You’re happy to spend another Day with a one-off vote. I still think you are scummy. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/185 "2017-01-25T20:50:09Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Yep… I said all those things… yep… I was wrong… if I was scum I would have had a pretty good reason to push the brewha wagon along… it’s a really good case. And a little obvious. I pushed for Brewha’s lynch because he lied. And I still stand by my logic. I was wrong, but I disagree with your assessment of my arguments. The only way a townie holding the batswitch wouldn’t have counterclaimed Brewha is if they realized it was a ploy and didn’t think Brewha had the other switch. That, or, you know, Brewha is the townie holding the Batswitch who claimed unprovoked and lied and then got quite offensive when I would question his motives… all of which reinforced my confidence that we had scum in the noose. > > But yeah, I was wrong… > > And my concern with the rush onto Toejam had nothing to do with Toejam as my concern for any vote swing that happens in the last 12 or even 24 hours of the Day. It’s either chaotic and bad for town or coordinated which is awfully hard to do when there isn’t someone openly organizing the troops. Add to that, it felt a lot like people jumping off the wagon just before the finish line so they aren’t caught on the vote record and I didn’t like it one bit. What is hard to understand about that? > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk So you’re claiming that you have two dubious policies which you play by: “lynch all liars, no matter what” and “nobody should change their votes after some arbitrary time of Day”. And you think that brewha looked scummy because Townies never get pissed off about being lynched? Well, unless multiple people confirm that these odd beliefs actually fit your meta, I’m keeping you on the “happy to lynch Today” list. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/186 "2017-01-25T20:54:58Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I forgot to warn you that the vig was out of commission? When did it become my job to make sure you aren’t missing obvious facts of the game? Nice smudge Thing Fish. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk You got on Biotop Yesterday about him moving his vote off brewha, which he clearly stated was due to fear of giving the scum control over Batman. But you didn’t address this issue, either then or at any time later. So you are saying that, although you realized that killing brewha would have a high chance of getting the Town Vig shut down, you still vocally advocated for this lynch? If this is Town play, it’s not the good kind. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/187 "2017-01-25T20:58:21Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > You’re happy to spend another Day with a one-off vote. Why are you so confident no one else will vote for you? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/188 "2017-01-25T20:58:44Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Think Fish’s analysis of paulwhoisaghost is viscerally satisfying, but I question whether scum would go to such great lengths to Lynch brewha and then be so hypocritical about it afterwards. I’m of the opinion that scum were more like “Holy shit! They are willing to Lynch the person claiming to hold the batman switch. Might as well let them.” (snipped) This is actually a decent point. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/189 "2017-01-25T21:00:15Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Why are you so confident no one else will vote for you? Well, based on Yesterday’s experience, I’m at least pretty confident that no one else will vote for me today because of _your_ case! ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/190 "2017-01-25T21:05:12Z")
Does anyone know how to get my computer to stop auto-capitalizing the word Lynch? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/191 "2017-01-25T21:35:59Z")
I’m liking the argument on Idle, for largely meta reasons. I don’t have the meta on the players that others do, but last time I mentioned that I was told I no longer get to play the newb card 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/192 "2017-01-25T21:46:30Z")
Yeah, I keep waiting for one of the many players who has played more with Idle than I have to weigh in, but my impression is that being highly active as Town and vanishing as Scum is very much within his meta. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/193 "2017-01-25T21:52:37Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Honestly, and we can talk about this post game but, he wasn’t going to change his mind. He made it pretty clear that this was the result he wanted. **True dat. He’s said as much directly post-game.** > [@raventhief](#): > > Thanks. Ill drop it now. \*\*No worries. It’s understandable. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/194 "2017-01-25T21:57:22Z")
Still, **Hal Briston** has four posts all game, even less than\*\* Idle\*\*, and he hasn’t voted, whereas **Idle** voted once. I don’t see why one would vote for any other lurker over **Hal.** ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/195 "2017-01-25T22:01:33Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > I’m concerned about the \*\*ToeJam \*_wagon and lethargic case against him. It really only boils down to he wasn’t playing, then at end of day he tried to play and catch up, posted some defensive stuff and there was a weird Vanilla Town plan in there. It sounds right now like much ado about nothing. ToeJam might BE scum, but I haven’t seen anything that pings me as scummy other than his sparse participation (which is entirely explainable by a career that isn’t known for lots of free time_). There are a lot of other people that fit that bill as well, with top of that list being **Idle Thoughts** and **Hal Briston.** I think you’re oversimplifying the case on ToeJam. There’s (1) the overly eager to avoid scrutiny attitude, (2) the contradiction of that attitude with his stated aggressive playstiel, (3) his 180 on Colby, (4) the deep lurk, (5) the nonsense about being the potential Day Kill. It’s not a bulletproof case, but it’s more than non-participation. I do like the case for Idle, and maybe Hal. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/196 "2017-01-25T22:05:06Z")
People I think seem Townie: **Sunny Daze, Biotop, Hooker Chem, sinjin, Capt. Klutz, Guiri.** I go back and forth between Town and null on **snfaulkner.** ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/197 "2017-01-25T22:05:45Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I still know you’re lying. And I’m (right now) not gonna bother doing anything about it. Okay? > [@Enderw24](#): > > The problem is that it’s not. \*\*What I’m convinced of is that Crys is lying. > \*\* > What I’m not convinced of is what to do about it. **There’s simply no way for me to figure out WHAT Crys is lying about.** Seriously?! You know she’s lying, but you have no idea what, and you don’t know what to do about it? [snip] > [@Enderw24](#): > > As I mentioned before, I haven’t actually read Sach’s claim. I need to do that. Probably before going further in this thread. And you haven’t even read all of Day 2? Okay… You suspicions of Crys75 is on\* ignore\*… > [@Pleonast](#): > > **vote Plumpudding** for refusing to vote when called on it in D1.401. > [snippy snip] Am I right in that this was the post you got suspicious about? > [@Mafia Reunion - Day One](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-one/776577/401): > > Push as much as you want, I’m not gonna place a vote now if I don’t feel it’s a worthwhile one. If you have a problem with that, place down a vote or piss off. So, Guiri asks me to vote, I post the above ^, but you really can’t see how I made a joke about him pushing me to vote while not putting a vote down on me for it? And why would I yield, even if I’m called on it, if I’m not ready to vote? Why is that scummy? Is this all? Up your game, build a case, this is embarrasing… ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/198 "2017-01-25T22:15:12Z")
Yeah, Pleo’s “votes” are all awful. I put it in quotes because most of them don’t count, and all of them have such flimsy reasoning that it calling them votes is insulting to real votes. Normally he’s much more analytical, so I’m not sure what’s going on. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/199 "2017-01-25T22:46:11Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > I think you’re oversimplifying the case on ToeJam. There’s (1) the overly eager to avoid scrutiny attitude, (2) the contradiction of that attitude with his stated aggressive playstiel, (3) his 180 on Colby, (4) the deep lurk, (5) the nonsense about being the potential Day Kill. It’s not a bulletproof case, but it’s more than non-participation. > > I do like the case for Idle, and maybe Hal. Perhaps an oversimplification on my part, but that’s how I view it personally. No one should take my synopsis as gospel. I know I stated how much I hate using meta info from previous games in current ones, but if what everyone is saying about a scum Idle is true then it crosses the line into an M.O. I just don’t know if we should cut bait and lynch or wait for modkill and continue scum hunting. This game has me second guessing my sincerely held beliefs on gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/200 "2017-01-25T22:57:36Z")
I have been reading for over two hours. I’ve gone back over N0 and am at Post 1001 on D1. Anyone looking for a lynch candidate who hasn’t posted much and has posted mainly fluff (even more than I) might want to take a look at **MHaye**. I’m going back to my reading now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=11)