# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/301 "2017-01-26T12:36:02Z")
@ToeJam:[spoiler] > [@ToeJam](#): > > Hello there. I’m RoOsh… and I used to play Mafia here a long time ago, This is my last Will and Testament. I know it might be early, and people may debate it, but lets be honest. I’m up for the Noose, and I was expecting this at some point toDay. > > \*FYI: There are no hidden messages in here. This is just the Truth. The random caps or phrases or whatever… that’s just Me. Don’t waste your time with it. \* > > Some things up front: > AKA: A peek into the Mind of ToeJam as he prepared to Play the Game > > 1. I have been Absent. M-F. I work long hours. Those were not intentional Lurks, but really were just absences. Sorry there wasn’t a brilliant play D1 or into D2, but that’s just honestly what it is. It did put a wrinkle into my plans however, as I DID have Plans for D1 and D2. I felt i still accomplished my D2 plans however. > > 2. So when I got my role this game… I looked through the game mechanics and all the various roles, and it was daunting. But I like making Mafia Fun for Me. And for the Viewers at home. And I wanted to be pro-town because I AM TOWN (please do try to give me that bit of doubt- my actions, while odd or usual were all done with the goal to Help the Town… even my stupid Target yourselves Ideas). > > 3. So anyways. I got my role and I made an executive decision this game based on a thing \*\*Storyteller \*\*once long ago had bemoaned in an Mafia game spoiler board ages ago: > > He was bemoaning the usage of _Breadcrumbs_, and how they can hurt the town at times… because Most Town Players aren’t looking for breadcrumbs during the game. They’re looking for “slips” but most well-intentioned breadcrumbs like cops leaving clues, or masons trying to talk to each other- are NOT picked up by regular Vanilla Townies. HOWEVER, SCUM actively DO look for breadcrumbs to try to pick up on PowerRoles. \*\*Story \*\*was bemoaning that game where Scum was able to pick off power roles by looking for those clues, and \*\*Story \*\*was noting there’s gotta be a better way or that it might be better NOT to breadcrumb too much because the ones who will notice more likely are Scum. > > –That was the lessons of Story. It stuck with me. All these years. > > 1. So thinking about that… Scum are MORE likely to look for power roles breadcrumbing than Townies are. And may try to use that decision to pick their targets and who to kill… AND knowing we have 2 scum teams (but both are ‘scum’), and so 2 pools of people looking for crumbs…\*\* > –\> I decided to Play the game as a Fake Cop Role.\*\* 🆒 > > 2. If you go back through my posts, my goal was to give off the Vibe of an Investigator type role, the problem? Work/Real Life. So I didn’t really get to do this Day 1. However, Once Day 2 came around, I again started dropping off breadcrumbs to hint that I might be an investigator. > –WHY? > –Because I wanted to. I felt it would throw some heat off the real cops, give them time to investigate. Also, if a REAL Cop did get suspicious of me, well they’d investigate me and I’d come up as Town to them. So all to the Good there. Double Good. Also, I figured then if I caught some heat maybe, Scum might try to bus me, then when I died and ended up town (or revealed my role), we’d have a good chance of an interesting Data pool to investigate. > > 3. I want to make this clear:\*\* > I DO NOT WANT ANY INVESTIGATORS TO ACTUALLY REVEAL THEMSELVES. > I AM NOT A REAL COP. I ONLY PLAYED AS IF I WAS ONE. > I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE AN ACTUAL COP. \*\* > > 4. Anyways, I didn’t expect to get the “Lurker” heat, and even more so was pleased and freaked out though by the D2 sudden run on me. That’s why I was freaking out (so look at my posts and the last 12 hours of D2 via MY eyes: I knew I had in D2 been bread crumbing that I was an investigator type of power role), but in 12 hours I suddenly gained traction for a lynch, and that was too fast for me to create a will and testament. My plan was going TOO WELL. That’s also why I feared then once scum saw I wasn’t going to be Lynched, the Mafia may just plan to Day Kill me on D2. Hence my panic at that. > > 5. But The Vig? - I’ll get to that part later. I took that into account too. Honestly though, I just hoped he’d not target me if he picked up the crumbs, but again- \*\*Storyteller \*\*Logic would dictate against that. > > 6. That’s all good and well, but where’s the proof? > So here we go: > \*\* > Night 0 WOW of ROOSH:\*\* > > 12 Posts (Note some of these are before I’ve even gotten my role): > > 1. #[66](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19896727&postcount=66): I just post about the numbers, thinking about what the the numbers. Estimated there might be 4 3rd Party Roles, but I dunno. I don’t know my role at this point. > > 2. [67](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19896740&postcount=67)): I point out I’m anti-NoLynching and Pro-Vigging, because I’d rather the Vigs make up their own minds at night and choose. This is general stances. > > 3. [74](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19896792&postcount=74)) : Responding to \*\*Meeko \*\*about reading into the Flavor from my first post. It’s more guessing. Trying to read into the Flavor of the game- bullets, fire, etc. Now I’m less caring about those things, but it’s fair game for a N0 discussion. I guess there’s 37 townies because of 37 bullets. Again. Still don’t know my role. > > 4. [75](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19896796&postcount=75)) Again responding to **Meeko** , and officially noting, I don’t know my role yet. > > 5. [173](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19898562&postcount=173)) This post points out basically I’ve gotten my role. Then just general helpful Townie advice (Null Tell). > > 6.[218](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19898969&postcount=218): I’m pro-Patsy claiming D1 (but sadly I’m not around D1 to follow up on this), because It’d put scum into the WIFOM of do they claim Patsy or not. I start discussing what power roles should do when dealing with the Patsy. I mention Doctors, Investigators, and Vigs. Why? > –\> At this point, I’m getting it into my head: **I want to play Fake.Cop.** I want scum to start associating Power Roles with me… because I don’t think Townies will be looking AS hard for those sorts of subtle hints. So I need to start making scum associate power roles = me. Then Cop to me. > > 1. [220](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19898991&postcount=220)) Random Townie advice to a Noob ( **SunnyDaze** ) and fluffy moral boosting Townie speech. Null tells, I’d do this if i was scum too. > > 2. [221](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19898994&postcount=221)) Response clarification/agreement to **Boozy PI** ’s advice. > > 3. [249](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19899303&postcount=249): This was my One actual Legit breadcrumb. My conversation with **Boozy**. I had been interacting with him I realized I could drop a hint that no one would really get because it’s hidden in fluff. > > 4. [412](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19902427&postcount=412): Normal Phase, Sinjin, Guiri have found me suspicious- I ask how I can help clarify things. Again, it’s N0, I’m not trying to make enemies at this point, and I’ve got to play the long game. A fake cop confessing on D1 is useless, the goal is to last longer. > \*I respond at length to **Sinjin**. I again breadcrumb a hint of a power role in the response by naming them a few times. (Again, goal is just to have the people actively looking --Scum-- to see who keeps bringing up power roles and to associate them with me). > –\>I taunt the Scum knowing what I’m doing. > > 5. [415](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19902457&postcount=415): Re: **Pleonast**. I had attracted some attention about discussing power roles via my Patsy discussion. \*\*Pleonast \*\*wants me to discuss 3rd party and scum actions, I don’t want to do that really. I give my thoughts on D1 strategies, and then also again my null tell: random helpful townie advice. > –\>I then ask the Mods, because \*\*Pleonast \*\*confuses me genuinely with his talk of scum/3rd party having no way to coordinate. I just had assumed Scum get boards, but then with his comments, I wondered if maybe I was wrong on that, and they don’t have boards. So I asked the Mods. ((Later I’ll realize he meant coordinate with each other- like Wolves to Mafia, which to me was just 😕 I didn’t even think like that) > > 6. [441](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19902962&postcount=441): Reply to \*\*Sachetorte \*\*who smudges me for being too differential to \*\*Sinjin \*\*and others (which i later explain why on D2). > -I clarify my misread of the \*\*Pleonast \*\*question- point out my thoughts- unlikely for scum to cross communicate with each other. > > Thus ends my N0. I thought I had done well, I had dropped some power role hints, nothing crazy strong, and I had gotten 3-4 players on my tail ( **Sinjin** , Normal Phase, and **Guiri** , along with **Sachetorte** ) > –That was my goal, I figured I’d get some heat for it, but didn’t want to get anything crazy, because again my thoughts were it’s not going to be most Townies picking up on those, but maybe some people who are actively looking for power role hints. > –In Retrospect, ironically **Normal Phase** the investigator was one of those people. This was my goal to ping the power roles and hey, if I drew the investigation I knew I’d show up Town, so it’s all good. > > Well, onto the ShitPlay Day that was Day 1: > > 5 Posts: > 1 &2. [123](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19905221&postcount=123)) and post [124](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19905230&postcount=124)(which is just an attempt to fix formatting): I confess that I am **Ro0sh**. I drop again like a crumb of a hit by mentioning my \*\*Shoelessness \*\* from like one of the FIRST mafia games i ever played on the Dope. But i picked it because in that game I was claiming without claiming- going for the Shu Vibe and claiming not to be a Shu. It’s a crumb for the OG Players from back in the day. Maybe just something for the peanut gallery. But it was relevant to what I’m currently doing. Claiming but not claiming. And pointing out my “old habits”. I explain who I am for the new people who may not know me. I can be aggressive, I can be odd/controversial in my thoughts of playing mafia (Ie: I think it’s okay to Fake Claim Power Roles if you have information that you think can benefit Town and will not cause mass confusion - though I’m not going to say that D1, because I know that gets me lynched SUPER Quick by like \*\*Pleonast \*\*or other guys in the past. Also, Note- I’m a fan of “Lynch All Liars”. However, I would like to point out I’m not LYING. I’m freely admitting that I’m a FAKE COP. Lying would be claiming to be a Cop in an intent to mislead the TOWN. Misleading Scum- well fuck them) > Back to the post > -I try to defend myself against accusations of “I sound too Townie”. Again, this is a null tell with me in the past. I always “sound Townie” because I always post “helpful” townie advice in the past. Actually. This whole thing summing up my playstyle- I agree with it. I’ve been playing Lazier as a Townie. As scum, I’m anal retentive and feel i play scum stronger than I do Town, and I did feel intimidated with a game this size and with new players. > -I point out Colby’s Slip up seems a slip up. Again. It’s a fair thing to put down a vote for at the start of D1, but I expect he’ll probably defend himself later and explain it. > -random townie advice > > - I espouse my pro-tracking votes over the course of the game, and I feel D1 votes will only get more important over time. in previous games (when I had more time) i enjoyed going through daily vote changes and seeing if there’s scum to be had in there. Here i was (naively) expecting to be able to do the same. > –I respond to **Klutz** : he found my confusion over **pleonast** ’s comments N0 suspicious. I noted eh. I clarified but I don’t care much over it. > > 1. #[128](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19905276&postcount=128): Vote Count Post. Again, this is what I like to do, track votes/nonvotes, and cross off, as well as color coding roles. I was expecting to do this for the rest of the game. I sadly have no time for it. And hope someone else actually DOES want to do this. I find them extremely helpful if you do daily ones esp. by endgame when it’s all filled in with colors. > > 2. [132](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19905303&postcount=132): I put down my early vote for Colby. Again i start looking for voting patterns with “3 quick votes” on Colby. But I do agree with \*\*Mhaye \*\* (from later in D3)- which is sometimes the best way to get information is to put down votes and to drive up a lynch. Plus, at that time, I figured Sunday AM, that was the most I had, and probably over the week we’d get more info and I’d move my vote around. > –I **FOS SunnyDaze** as I felt her vote vs. me was more “Me too” though again, I don’t put huge weights into the FOS, but just a mile marker for my brain of what i noticed during that time period. I acknowledge it’s a weak vote, it’s not fully ‘scummy’, and I recalled in my own head- she was a self-proclaimed Noob, so I didn’t have a great read, but it was there. > > 3. [133](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19905308&postcount=133). Fluff post- shout out to Drainbead and I acknowledge it as an OOG shout out. > > Then… That’s it for Day 1. So to point out, all those posts were on Sunday. I had the expectation that I’d be back to do more analysis, get more data, and have more people up there to discuss. I was going to get back into vote counting, and I was basically in the honeymoon phase of Mafia. And at that point, I didn’t really have a lot of heat, I wasn’t worried, and didn’t think myself as a huge target. It’s good to have some suspicion. > –But then Monday hit… and work hit hard and Poof I was Gone– > > So yeah. I guess if you want to call it “Lurking” I can’t say thing to change your mind. But Goddamn. Somehow from those 3 (because one was a repost, and one was OOG fluff) posts from D1 and my thoughts on the Patsy and \*\*pleonast \*\*interactions on N0, I somehow nearly became a lynch leader?! > > –\> So in my Head, when I came back on D2 and saw that I nearly got lynched for just that on D1… I was like :eek: Because I knew I was trying to draw some heat, and I had been mentioning power roles N0 mostly, and the goal was to get onto scum’s radar, but I didn’t think I had done enough or if Scum would THAT QUICKLY pick up on my crumbs that I was a power role of some sort. > > But yeah. So when I showed up D2. My goal was to avoid the lynch, but again continue to drop hints that I was a Fake Cop… > > In summary; TL;DR: > My intent since the Start of the game was to play the Game as a **Fake Cop Role.** I missed most of the game though, and then showed up D2, and started trying to drop fake Cop hints like crazy. > So please analyze my D2 Paranoia and N2 thoughts knowing that: I was trying to play Fake Cop to see if I Could find scum/draw an NK/WIFOM situation. I was going into the end of the lynch with 3 potential people for lynch, and I wasn’t a target. I thought I was safe and was planning to continue that on D3. Suddenly, in the last 12 hours, a HUGE BUS comes up to lynch ME, and I get super paranoid because my plan worked TOO well. > > \*and what about Vig Kills wouldn’t I be worried about that? > No. I’m not afraid of the Vig. Hell it’s why on D2 I was suspicious that there were more kills. > It’s also why I came up with my ridiculous “Townies should target themselves.” But noooo… you whiney babies had to go running to your Mods nappies rather than have some faith in your OGs. > > I am a Town Power Role, which I breadcrumbed N0 to Boozy (Calling him the Sleuth for basically pointing out my IRL role is my InGameRole. > I’m actually your fucking doctor: Doctor Seward > N1: I protected myself. (Good catch, **Guiri**. Yeah, Everynight I had targeted myself. Why’d I want everyone to do it. So if a watcher saw me, they might WIFOM that the Mods let me get away with it rather than assume I was a power role, but noooo…) > N2: I protected myself. (Because screw your third parties. I only trust one person here so far). > N3: I’m going to get Hitmanned if I don’t get lynched toDay. > Good Luck Town, you guys will need it. :mad: > > -R [/spoiler] Why do all this? Especially as a power? After a hiatus from Mafia, playing in a gigantic reunion game with more than enough confusion already in the mix, with a bunch of new faces as well as old, that don’t know you and your playstyle… Why? > [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > I get that this is a joke, but something here doens’t quite jibe well with me. If someone let something slip and edited it out, they would have been communicating with their _teammates_, not their enemies, wouldn’t they? Something about this just strikes me as…odd. But it also makes **Plumpudding** seem every-so-slightly-Town to me. Why would scum communicate to their teammates via editing, if they have their own boards? I hate having to explain jokes, but I guess that comes with not being witty enough… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/302 "2017-01-26T13:10:35Z")
Completely tangential, but I just posted in a Cafe Society thread, saw an error, and had a moment of dismay because “if I edit they’ll all… oh, right, this isn’t the Mafia game.” ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/303 "2017-01-26T13:54:06Z")
**Unvote ToeJam** Because of the claim, and in absence of a counterclaim. I have fake claimed investigator as town once before, but this claim doesn’t sit at all well with me. I’m not sure why you would put such a target on your back if you’re really the doctor. I’ll give it time, though. **Vote Boozahol Squid** Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/304 "2017-01-26T14:03:01Z")
\*\* Vote Count: Idlethoughts(4) - Sunnydaze(182), raventhief(207), toejam(259), Halbriston(300) Tojeam(3) - Hookerchemical(9), billmc(23), sinjin(53), Sachertorte(1) - Johnnybravo(14) Enderw24(2) - Nanook(28), Crys75(34) Thingfish(1) - pleonast(141) Pleonast(1) - plumpudding(222), ProfessorP(1) - Texcat(278), Boozahol(2) - Hoopyfrood(286), angelofthenorth(303) \*\* ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/305 "2017-01-26T14:03:23Z")
Biotop, you’re on my scum leans now for your response to ToeJam’s claim. Specifically, it feels rote, not like you actually considered it. Hal, good to see you, hope you stay. Paul, I tried to reply to your post and my reply disappeared. Bud, you know I love you but I’m not buying what you’re selling here. 😉 It’s good for me to be forced to articulate the reasoning behind my gut, though. Ups my game. It’s not because you defended Idle. In fact, I strongly believe scum you never defends teammate Idle in this way. I think your reasoning about the modkill is sound and honest. I suspect you for the attempts to be conciliatory. An example off of the top of my head- when you said if you were being too aggressive you’d tone it down. You have a “reasonable” tone in places that doesn’t sit well with me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/306 "2017-01-26T14:12:22Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > And Boozy knows that 3rd party lynches are not something to rush into for town because they count as a mislynch in the numbers game. I know he knows this because I remember it coming up on the spoiler boards in Batman when (before I was dead/spoiled) I figured out the approximate numbers of town, scum, and third party remaining based on the somewhat cryptic clue that NAF/Penguin revealed that morning. I remember you and Boozy (the Mods) giving me kudos for the post and discussing that town was in a tough spot due to the shear number of lynches we still had to get through and the small amount of leeway we had with the number of third parties. They count as a mislynch in the numbers game because they are a missed opportunity to kill scum. In the case of yesterday, I was a proponent of using the additional lynch to kill a third party because using it wouldn’t detract from using the main lynch. I realize in this game, with the day and the night kill, we’re in some senses obliged to start hitting multiple scum targets with lynches in order to keep up, but I don’t think we’re at the point where it makes sense to start doubling up on our lynches just for the sake of it. We’ve already done a fantastic job of letting the scum avoid any hits on themselves while letting half of our own power roles die. Killing a third party with the second lynch isn’t a bad thing in and of itself, and it’s a hell of a lot better than killing a townie role with it. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/307 "2017-01-26T15:09:47Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > > [@Pleonast](#): > > > > > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > > > > > You’re happy to spend another Day with a one-off vote. I still think you are scummy. > > > > Why are you so confident no one else will vote for you? > > Well, based on Yesterday’s experience, I’m at least pretty confident that no one else will vote for me today because of _your_ case! A perfect encapsulation of how scum think: the important thing about a vote is how many players will follow it. > [@LightFoot](#): > > OK what about the posts since then? from your suspects? > If D1 posts could solve he game we wouldn’t have many You’ll have to elaborate, because I’m not understanding you. > [@Plumpudding](#): > > You know what, I’ve been liking the case on Pleo since Day 1, and he has only reinforced that since then. > \*\* > vote Pleonast\*\* Would explain what you think the case is? > [@NAF1138](#): > > I got to hold a stingray today! **Oh no! Did you survive?** (Really, once a game starts, you should only take questions via PM.) ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/308 "2017-01-26T15:16:29Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > You lied- about what? > > to the rest of your post here I don’t see how it applies to the discussion I initiated > Perhaps one f us needs a nap- don’t get up I’ll go first. I was a dressing point number 3 in the post you quoted. The bit you had difficulty parsing. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/309 "2017-01-26T15:32:58Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > 1. Koldanar: Are they still in the game? Yeesh, I didn’t think I was THAT quiet (in game)yesterday. See my post earlier (in game)today - dealing with some issues after a wind storm here this week. I’ll try for a megapost today, or early tomorrow, then participate after. Been skimming at least today, and trying for a deeper re-read after my lunch time. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/310 "2017-01-26T15:34:35Z")
> [@Koldanar](#): > > Yeesh, I didn’t think I was THAT quiet (in game)yesterday. See my post earlier (in game)today - dealing with some issues after a wind storm here this week. > > I’ll try for a megapost today, or early tomorrow, then participate after. Been skimming at least today, and trying for a deeper re-read after my lunch time. Okay. No worries, I was catching up myself and switched from reading from Safari to reading from Tapatalk so I may have missed you. I’ll go back and reread again. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/311 "2017-01-26T15:34:40Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > **Oh no! Did you survive?** > > (Really, once a game starts, you should only take questions via PM.) I did. It was in a controlled environment at an ecological preserve. Very cool. I also got to swim with sharks at the same place. Proceeds go to conservation efforts. And we could only take questions via PM and it would be cleaner for game play, but I suspect less fun. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/312 "2017-01-26T15:44:33Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Hal, good to see you, hope you stay. I’m in full-blown “sick as a dog” mode, so I’ll either be here drooling on my keyboard, or in bed in a cold medicine coma. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/313 "2017-01-26T15:47:17Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > **Vote ProfP** > > It’s now day three. And we still haven’t seen an opinion yet? Yeah, I’m slow. Today for sure. Back to my note-taking. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/314 "2017-01-26T15:53:05Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > To sum it all up… I agree he’s probably scum. I think it’s low hanging fruit, too easy, not very useful. I think we should aim higher and see if we can get a better lynch out of toDay. And I think it likely he’ll be mod killed next time the axe goes around. If he’s scum (I don’t have the same metaknowledge as you guys who are so certain), then it’s only a bad lynch **if he is not utilizing a role power.** He may be disengaged and he may not be contributing here, but that doesn’t mean a scummy Idle won’t use a role power and then report back to the scum boards. I don’t know what to make of a player who says, “yeah they’re scum, but let’s vote for somebody else.” He literally only has to pop in and say “oh hai” to avoid the modkill. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/315 "2017-01-26T15:57:54Z")
I can’t understand those who really, genuinely think Idle is scum who do not have a vote on him. This makes me less trusting of the meta-case, and I was already not particularly trusting of it. Why make the perfect lynch the enemy of a good lynch? If you think he’s scum, you have to think he’s a good lynch. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/316 "2017-01-26T16:20:15Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I can’t understand those who really, genuinely think Idle is scum who do not have a vote on him. > > This makes me less trusting of the meta-case, and I was already not particularly trusting of it. > > Why make the perfect lynch the enemy of a good lynch? If you think he’s scum, you have to think he’s a good lynch. I genuinely think he’s non-town. I also genuinely think Squid is scum. I’m content to lynch one scum and have the other non-town modkilled. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/317 "2017-01-26T16:24:46Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I genuinely think he’s non-town. I also genuinely think Squid is scum. I’m content to lynch one scum and have the other non-town modkilled. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Sorry, yeah, I should have been way more clear. If you have two people you genuinely think are scum, well, we only have one lynch, so it makes sense to choose one. But if you have one, or two, or a half dozen people you (general you!) genuinely think are scum and you don’t have a vote on any of them, that makes no sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/318 "2017-01-26T16:28:34Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > What is the difference between lurky and non-participatory? Reading. I’m sure I’m doing one or both by now. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/319 "2017-01-26T16:36:49Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > 1. Hoopy Frood: neutral > 2. Idle: scum lean > 3. Inner Stickler: leaning town > 4. Johnny Bravo: neutral > 5. JSGoddess: neutral > 6. Khameleon: are they still in the game? > 7. Koldanar: Are they still in the game? > 8. LightFoot: Leaning town. > 9. Meeko: neutral. > 10. MHaye: is he still in the game? > 11. Nanook: neutral > 12. Nesta: leaning scum > 13. Pleonast: neutral > 14. Plumpudding: slight scum lean > 15. Cygnus 42: haven’t made their acquaintance yet > 16. Prof P: scum lean > 17. Raventhief: slight scum lean > 18. Svejk: don’t know them > 19. Sachertorte: I believe he is third party > 20. Scathach: slight town lean > 21. Sinjin: neutral > 22. SNFaulkner: town lean > 23. Sunny Daze: neutral > 24. TexCat: scum lean > 25. Thing Fish: town lean > 26. Toejam: scum lean > 27. Total Lost: neutral > 54: PaulWhoIsAGhost: scum lean > 28. Zeriel: slight town lean > > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro **Retweets don’t equal endorsement…** No, but seriously, I see the value in this type of thing immediately. However, in all seriousness, I’m not trying to say I nescessairly agree. I’d love to do the same as above, but I don’t really read…er uh, I mean I don’t have reads on anyone. And frankly, it would be insane to start now. … It’s probably also insanity to have started. 🙂 Khameleons blend in, right? Can I poke the Khameleon with a stick? Will it show it’s true colors if I do? 😛 Vote Khameleon ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/320 "2017-01-26T16:38:28Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > I’d say it’s a question of intent. **A lurky player is following along but not posting, while a non-participatory player \ isn’t posting because they’re not following along.** > Damn do I _hate_ meta-reasoning in this game. But…it’s 100% true. **Idle** is almost certainly is scum. > Not directed at me, but…the hell? **So which is it, “non-partipants should be posting more” or “if you haven’t been posting all along, don’t bother now”?** > > Not to defend my lack of participation, but if 50+ players all posted 10 times each Day, would _anyone_ have time to muddle through all that? > > …and… > > (Bolding mine) > This goes against every fiber of my Mafia experience. When you have scum cornered, you finish the job, full stop. _If_ I had another strong suspect in mind, and _if_ I could be sure **Idle** wouldn’t pop back in and make a bacon-saving one-off post, then I may be ok with letting him be modkilled. But, I don’t have the first criteria, and I _definitely_ don’t have the second. > > I’m very comfortable thinking **Idle** is scum, but I’m not going to let him potentially use a power that could off another town role. > > Vote **Idle Thoughts** Bolding is mine for the most part. You make a point to clarify the difference between lurking and not participating, but then criticize my playful jab at Prof. P. He has been here and following along, so it was odd for him to say that NOW he’s gonna start taking the game seriously. Then you criticize my point about Idle being an easy lynch. You flat out say that you don’t have a better suspect; which points to you not having particpated. So is this your attempt to justify a lazy me too vote based entirely on the reasoning of others? So which is it, are you going to actually play or just throw shade at people for calling out lazy play? Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=17)