# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/381 "2017-01-26T21:27:24Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Happy day 3! Finished first skim quickly! > > Wow, I’m surprised at how ToeJam’s claim has been received. It sets off all sorts of alarms for me, I don’t think I’m that biased My thought process is very simple. If ToeJam is telling the truth, the scum will want to get rid of him. If he’s not dead by Day 5, I start looking squinty-eyed at him. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/382 "2017-01-26T21:29:27Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > \*\*Paul \*\* above is the point that you said you lied in-- what here is a lie? > I would have quoted the post where you brought this to my attention but damn if I can go back to find it at the moment No… I lied when I said I would address point #3 of your response when I could figure out what you were having trouble parsing. In my post I said I lied and then explained why I wasn’t going to try to clarify that point because it was my attempt at clarifying my position at the time. If I haven’t been able to clarify that point after rehashing it already, I don’t believe I am going to be able to do so unless you have specific questions that would help you parse point #3. Does that make sense now? If not I can quote the whole conversation chain and try to clarify for you. My lie was the statement that I would explain 3. in another posts when I knew what it part it was. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/383 "2017-01-26T21:39:06Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I just can’t agree with this. No one should follow me off a cliff, and the mental errors in my posts speak for themselves, but I’ll share what I’m thinking (which is remarkably little about some players) in the hopes it benefits us. I’d like to take this and expand if I may. By making a list and posting it publicly it does two things. 1. For town it shares info with everyone on how you are leaning for all players. It gives town players under suspicion a chance to see when they are being a distraction… say for example that no one has voted for you but a bunch of players has you listed as slight scum lean. You could then ask them why they have slight scum leans and get them to expand on their suspicions. If they are scum, it gives town even more of a record of them casting doubt on a townie. If they are town it still helps by giving you a chance to address those suspicions and hopefully prevent your own mislynch. You don’t know which they are, but at least you have gotten everyone on the record voicing their thoughts, later game that is valuable. 2. It forces scum to take positions on everyone and prevents them from being able to suddenly shift their opinions without reason. It gives town a record to go back to and find contradictions. Sure scum are going to try to falsify their lists to their own benefit, but later in the game it will put them in a sticky situation. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/384 "2017-01-26T21:44:29Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Happy day 3! Finished first skim quickly! > > Wow, I’m surprised at how ToeJam’s claim has been received. It sets off all sorts of alarms for me, I don’t think I’m that biased > > - First, I think it’s bs that scum look for breadcrumbs, on N0? A player leaves breadcrumbs to be able to point back at, not for others to stumble across. Also, I don’t see any of those posts as breadcrumbs - what am I missing? Scum look for extra info, extra attention, changes in playstyle, tells - not crumbs. > > - Arguably a doc is just as important as a cop, why risk drawing attention to yourself at all? Especially with hitman and outrider roles > > - N1 he self-protected? So he had time to submit an order but not read the thread? Or he read the thread, noticed that he was still alive, and submitted the order, but then all that bs on D2 about being shocked and surprised? > > - he says he only came back D2 because of the facebook post, but he was in contact with the mods on N1 - he PM’d them his order? > > - he says scum would bus him, bus not vote or pile on? > > - his concern about not having time to defend himself on D2 - how long does it take to say stop, I’m the doc! > > - I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player do a self-wow, ever. Feels like more bs to me, smoke and mirrors, if he spent 1/4 of the time hunting scum I’d be happy > > - He continues to misrepresent the case against him, his absence was a compounding factor, not the primary reason > > - I love how he’s basking in self-glory, he’s just so amazingly great at breadcrumbing and fooling scum, he can barely believe it himself, wha? His plan was to get himself lynched or NK’d? > > - His whole “townies without power should target themselves”, he claimed to be doing just that in #1221 > > - His “that’s what I’d do if I was scum- start bread crumbing a fake cult” comment, so you fake breadcrumb when you’re scum? > > - more self-obsession “I also know that yeah, there’s NO reason for scum to target me as I’m a free lynch” becomes “I think I’m still dying today, but probably Day killed rather than Lynched.” > > I suspect it’s an ploy to get the real doc Seward to claim, or a gambit to attract a cop, to be watched? Yet I’m torn because it’s a doc claim, and Sario poofed, and Septimus is dead. If it’s a real claim, he sure is likely to be targeted by scum, if it’s fake, the other scum team may still think it could be real, and take a shot anyway. Bleuggh, yuck, eww. You pinpointed what bugs me about the claim. Why would a doc ever try to get people to believe he was a cop? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/385 "2017-01-26T21:46:54Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > You’re not seriously advocating this, are you? While I agree with you that the low posters are likely to hide scum, I have never once seen a game where the entire scum team hid, and here we have two of them. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro @Meeko , were you advocating the idea of all scum lurking, or questioning Prof.P’s logic? It’s unclear. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/386 "2017-01-26T21:50:44Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > No, I actually think that, since 1/3rd of the people now playing are Mafia or Wolf, that over 5 (approx. 1/3 x 44 players) will be found to be Scum. It’s possible they all are, but I’m guessing 7 or 8. This is vastly different than all of the scum lurking. And if not all of them are lurking then there is meat in the thread. It feels like you are dodging placing a vote against an active player after doesn’t some actual sleuthing. You are playing a numbers game that if accurate has close to equal chances of hitting town as it is scum. If you think there are 7-8 scum in the lurker pool as you stated above, then that leaves what 7-8 non scum? Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/387 "2017-01-26T21:57:36Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > This is vastly different than all of the scum lurking. And if not all of them are lurking then there is meat in the thread. It feels like you are dodging placing a vote against an active player after doesn’t some actual sleuthing. You are playing a numbers game that if accurate has close to equal chances of hitting town as it is scum. If you think there are 7-8 scum in the lurker pool as you stated above, then that leaves what 7-8 non scum? > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Well, it’s easier to hit Scum if you have a 50% chance (this pool of 14) than it is if you only have a 33 1/2% chance (the pool of active players). The 6-7 non scum players, being low posters, aren’t impacting the game as much as most, and aren’t leaving much of a record that can be examined later. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/388 "2017-01-26T21:58:05Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Happy day 3! Finished first skim quickly! > > Wow, I’m surprised at how ToeJam’s claim has been received. It sets off all sorts of alarms for me, I don’t think I’m that biased > > - First, I think it’s bs that scum look for breadcrumbs, on N0? A player leaves breadcrumbs to be able to point back at, not for others to stumble across. Also, I don’t see any of those posts as breadcrumbs - what am I missing? Scum look for extra info, extra attention, changes in playstyle, tells - not crumbs. > - Arguably a doc is just as important as a cop, why risk drawing attention to yourself at all? Especially with hitman and outrider roles > - N1 he self-protected? So he had time to submit an order but not read the thread? Or he read the thread, noticed that he was still alive, and submitted the order, but then all that bs on D2 about being shocked and surprised? > - he says he only came back D2 because of the facebook post, but he was in contact with the mods on N1 - he PM’d them his order? > - he says scum would bus him, bus not vote or pile on? > - his concern about not having time to defend himself on D2 - how long does it take to say stop, I’m the doc! > - I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player do a self-wow, ever. Feels like more bs to me, smoke and mirrors, if he spent 1/4 of the time hunting scum I’d be happy > - He continues to misrepresent the case against him, his absence was a compounding factor, not the primary reason > - I love how he’s basking in self-glory, he’s just so amazingly great at breadcrumbing and fooling scum, he can barely believe it himself, wha? His plan was to get himself lynched or NK’d? > - His whole “townies without power should target themselves”, he claimed to be doing just that in #1221 > - His “that’s what I’d do if I was scum- start bread crumbing a fake cult” comment, so you fake breadcrumb when you’re scum? > - more self-obsession “I also know that yeah, there’s NO reason for scum to target me as I’m a free lynch” becomes “I think I’m still dying today, but probably Day killed rather than Lynched.” > > I suspect it’s an ploy to get the real doc Seward to claim, or a gambit to attract a cop, to be watched? Yet I’m torn because it’s a doc claim, and Sario poofed, and Septimus is dead. If it’s a real claim, he sure is likely to be targeted by scum, if it’s fake, the other scum team may still think it could be real, and take a shot anyway. Bleuggh, yuck, eww. This was my initial response too. But even if the other scum faction thinks he’s lying about the claim, they still know that he’s on the other team… they benefit a lot by taking him out it makes them a step ahead of the opposing team in terms of wincon where a townie kill doesn’t. That’s why I say leave him be and force the scum to kill him. It not like all of this against him is going to go away… if for some reason he survives to end game, he’s a sure lynch. And if he is telling the truth, we don’t lynch are doc on D3. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/389 "2017-01-26T22:03:35Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I voted for Crys yesterDay and I still think something is wrong with their story. It just doesn’t make sense to me, but I am willing to let the scum and/or the vig take one of them out. > > This is the advantage of the alleged 3 other members of the cult not claiming. They could be hit by scum looking for our remaining power roles. Or the could be hit by the vig looking for scum. And another reason that something is fishy with the whole cult thing. If they were innocent survivors, why wouldn’t they claim now? Because town is more than happy to let them be offed and no one is gonna protect an outed cultist. Because scum benefit from their death just as much as a townie death so claiming makes them an easy target. Because it serves no purpose to further their wincon, they are better off playing the game as though they are VT and trying to make it to end game, which is good for town. I see plenty of reasons for them to want to stay hidden. There is no chance that they will achieve their claimed wincon if they all claim. Especially not with procultist lynch players around. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/390 "2017-01-26T22:05:47Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > My thought process is very simple. If ToeJam is telling the truth, the scum will want to get rid of him. If he’s not dead by Day 5, I start looking squinty-eyed at him. The other faction would want him dead either way. Telling the truth, he’s a doc, definite target for kill. Lying, he’s on the opposing team and they should want him dead even more. A chance to take an early lead would help prevent the other team from winning if any of their members are lynched or killed randomly. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/391 "2017-01-26T22:08:44Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Well, it’s easier to hit Scum if you have a 50% chance (this pool of 14) than it is if you only have a 33 1/2% chance (the pool of active players). The 6-7 non scum players, being low posters, aren’t impacting the game as much as most, and aren’t leaving much of a record that can be examined later. This is [random.org](http://random.org) logic. If you play this game by numbers alone we will lose. This is not pro-town. You advocating it is not pro-town. You should be doing some sleuthing and seeing if the numbers back you up… not consulting the numbers and taking a 50/50 shot in the dark. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/392 "2017-01-26T22:17:45Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Well, it’s easier to hit Scum if you have a 50% chance (this pool of 14) than it is if you only have a 33 1/2% chance (the pool of active players). The 6-7 non scum players, being low posters, aren’t impacting the game as much as most, and aren’t leaving much of a record that can be examined later. Illogical. You don’t have a 50% chance of hitting scum if there are no scum in the pool you have chosen. Your chance then would be 0%. I could randomly choose 14 players off the list and probably be as correct as you are with your pool. Are there scum in the lurker pool? Highly likely, but I’d wager there are 2-3, not a solid 6-7 as you seem sure of. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/393 "2017-01-26T22:17:50Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > This is [random.org](http://random.org) logic. If you play this game by numbers alone we will lose. This is not pro-town. You advocating it is not pro-town. You should be doing some sleuthing and seeing if the numbers back you up… not consulting the numbers and taking a 50/50 shot in the dark. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Well, if I hadn’t put my vote on **sachertorte** , I’d have put it on **Idle** (who is on my list) because he’s playing as he does when he’s not happy with his role. Is that more what you had in mind? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/394 "2017-01-26T22:20:45Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Illogical. > > You don’t have a 50% chance of hitting scum if there are no scum in the pool you have chosen. Your chance then would be 0%. I could randomly choose 14 players off the list and probably be as correct as you are with your pool. Are there scum in the lurker pool? Highly likely, but I’d wager there are 2-3, not a solid 6-7 as you seem sure of. My studies in previous games have lead me to believe in my figures. We have 0 Scum and 10 Town dead - I have no reason to trust into typical play. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/395 "2017-01-26T23:00:14Z")
Hey, **Plum**! Regarding your request for an overview of voters who switched off of brewha, Crys or ToeJam yesterday — the most important statement is a quote from LightFoot in Post 1055: > [@](#): > > “I am on record requesting last hour voters why they voted their choice. They were rushed posts with no back-up explanation.” brewha revealed he had a switch in post 211. For the next few hundred posts no one voted for him except bufftabby (373), who viewed him as possible Scum trying to find the Vig. tabby’s vote only lasted until Post 417. It isn’t until Post 538, when Chronos revealed that brewha lied that the bandwagon begins on brewha. All of them give either no reason or the reason that he lied. The reason for the votes on Crys, when given, were for her admitting to be 3P. Interest in Crys was never as big as interest in brewha. Then in 909 Biotop started the vote on recently returned ToeJam. Biotop, sachertorte, raventhief and Hooker all changed their votes to ToeJam from brewha. Paul, Capt. Klutz and Sunny Daze changed their votes to ToeJam from Crys. There were some other votes onto ToeJam at the end, which, if it had continued, might have saved brewha. Since brewha has been revealed as Town, there’s not much cause for suspicion, as far as I can see. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/396 "2017-01-26T23:00:40Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I guess he could have said nothing and just let us lynch him… I don’t think that would have gone over well. Instead he claimed. > So either he is telling the truth or he’s scum who had a good chance of being lynched and his claim is a Hail Mary to get the real doc to counterclaim. He’s got nothing to lose… people obviously want him dead… and scum hasn’t done it yet. Added benefit being that if the doc doesn’t counter claim the votes will drop off him real fast. It’s a win-win for a scum Toejam and a lose lose for town Toejam. > > Given the WiFoM, and the fact that (if he’s scum) the opposing scum faction also won’t know if he’s telling truth but either way they know he’s either the doc or a member of the opposing faction, so they benefit from his death, I say leave him be for now and let scum sort it out. > > My initial reaction to his claim is that he is lying, but I’ve been looking for gambits all game and been wrong. You tell me, is he more likely telling the truth or scum? > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Finally, Paul! A scenario I can follow AND I can agree with! > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > … > I have been doing more reading over on MafiaScum. There I found two pieces of advice that encourage me: 1) Town are Idiots. We don’t have the information we desperately need and flail about all ways, hoping to luck into something. 2) Hunt the Scum Team, not just individuals. > > So, on D1 and D2 there isn’t enough Data to really make a good case. This is D3. Here they are: The Mafia and the Wolves are most likely found in these 14 people: > > **Svejk, Cygnus42, Khameleon, Howkeyop, Hal Briston, DiggitCamara, Nanook, > BillMC, Koldanar, MHaye, nesta, Zeriel, Idle Thoughts, Inner Stickler** > > The order is from least-to-highest posters. Yes, I considered people who’ve subbed in for other people. > > So, having said that, my vote goes to: > > **vote sachertorte** > Not because I think I’m wrong about Scum. It’s because sachertorte and Crys have claimed to be 3P, and harmless LUTHA’s. > > Archangel has said that 3P is always harmful to Town, and, having read through some 20+ games in the last year, I do believe she’s right. Crys offered herself up as a sacrificial proof, but she’s just the Second Deacon. sachertorte is the First. She’s protecting him. > > After we get rid of the 3P’s, then we can concentrate on Scum. And the other possibility is, the Deacons are lying, and are actually Scum hiding as harmless LUTHA’s. In which case, we win. What they are not is Town hiding as 3P’s. > **Plum** , I haven’t forgotten your request. I am now going back to my reading, and will have an answer for that either today or tomorrow, as time permits. Oh Prof P, I love having you around, but man…this is just…_sigh_ Let me paraphrase how I’ve seen your game so far: “After many days and Days and of reading and analyzing (and not fluffing it up) I’ve determined an inordinately large percentage of the following list are probably scum, and of those I vote for…none of them. Instead I’m voting for a claimed 3rd party.” I don’t know if this is just bold and scummy prof, or just head-not-in-the-game bad towny prof… I’m thinking you may be scum trying to make a sacrifice to keep toejam alive one more night…I’ll have to think about this theory… > [@Koldanar](#): > > … > Post 17 - snfaulker came out and voted Toe Jam right away. I need to re-read day 2, but didn’t you vote crys then (on re-read, I see yes, you did)? What has changed, in your opinion? I voted Crys yesterday because A)I believe brewha was town and only those two were really in contention at the time I voted B)I wanted to see her flip as the 2nd lynch and C) I wasn’t around at EoD when votes radically switched to toejam. Now toDay there is only 1 lynch available, and I think it is best to get try and get scum with it rather than wasting it on a 3rd party. > [@Svejk\_1](#): > > Actually I never got my role PM and because I was also a little overwhelmed by the sheer amount of reading that awaited me, I wrote to **Mahaloth** that on second thought I was going to pass. So I never subbed in. I just I’d see if my absence was being noted since I never heard back from **Mahaloth** after I wrote to say I was chickening out. Soooo…are you playing or…not? > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I don’t like the lists of leans at all. If I were scum, I’d start looking for a player who lists as much of my team as possible as leaning town and then off that person. If the person flips town, most of my team has just become slightly harder to lynch because town will have to vote against the opinion of a dead Townie and that can be hard for players to do. Town shouldn’t be worried about being offed by the scummy scummy bang bangs. The should be worried about getting their thoughts known before they die. Gotta go do some actual work…more to come… ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/397 "2017-01-26T23:08:31Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > [snip] > Oh Prof P, I love having you around, but man…this is just…_sigh_ > > Let me paraphrase how I’ve seen your game so far: “After many days and Days and of reading and analyzing (and not fluffing it up) I’ve determined an inordinately large percentage of the following list are probably scum, and of those I vote for…none of them. Instead I’m voting for a claimed 3rd party.” > > I don’t know if this is just bold and scummy prof, or just head-not-in-the-game bad towny prof… > > I’m thinking you may be scum trying to make a sacrifice to keep toejam alive one more night…I’ll have to think about this theory… Yeah, I pretty much shot myself in the foot voting for sachertorte. I missed out on most of the discussion to have Town not vote for the Cultists because I was re-reading N0 and D1 and some of D2, and skimming the more recent posts. ---
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Having said that, since no one’s going to vote on sachertorte with me, and I’ve mentioned my other suspects… **unvote sachertorte** **vote Idle Thoughts**. Which is probably too little too late. ---
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> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Seeing that Sario just blew up, couldn’t he be the one who prevented a Night Kill? > > Other than that, I am still re-reading the thread. One question, however: why does everyone assume that the cult has been “cleared” and is probably non-hostile? > > The thing is that makes me a bit nervous is: > > 1. We only know their role by their reported PM. > > 2. They hold at least a switch. I am assuming that switches are held by members of opposing factions (to maximize WIFOM). Wouldn’t a reveal of the switch help us see whether or not a living townsperson holds a similar switch? If that counterswitch were discovered, we would know for certain if the third party is hostile, wouldn’t it? Brewha claimed to have a switch. He flipped town so I have to assume he was telling the truth. But no mention of a switch was noted in his flipping. > [@Meeko](#): > > **Could the entirety of the scum team be lurking?** Nope, but I do think there are good odds of there being a lot of them in that group Prof put forth. ---
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> [@Scathach](#): > > (snip) > > I have two problems with the cultists, 1. Their win condition seems too easy and requires basically no effort on their part. It’s a role with zero motivation to participate in the game which seems unlikely. I feel like there’s more to it than meets the eye. Also the more accepted it gets the more it becomes a viable scrum fake claim. > > (snip) I also believe the cultists’ description is fishy. The fact that they are/were hidden from each other and have the power to find each other might make what happens AFTER they find each other interesting. And not necessarily good for townsfolk. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=21)