# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/441 "2017-01-27T03:42:16Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > No… I lied when I said I would address point #3 of your response when I could figure out what you were having trouble parsing. OK so you lied when you said you would explain when I made the problem with understanding clearer. So you would not explain if I got the question right chasing rabbit butts I got it ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/442 "2017-01-27T03:43:08Z")
I was skeptical of **ToeJam** ’s big reveal at first, but it makes enough sense as a possibility that I’m not prepared to kill him toDay either. Like someone else stated, if he’s still around Day 5 or so? That may be a horse of a different color. And really, this complicated scheme matches both what play I might expect of **RoOshJam** as Town, and what cover story I might expect from him as scum. The phrase “That’s just crazy enough to work!” comes to mind. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/443 "2017-01-27T03:50:58Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\*Vote Count: > > ProfessorP(8) - Texcat(278), jsgoddess(332), paulwhoisghost(343), pleonast(345), innerstickler(347), lightfoot(354), toejam(408), bufftabby(420), > > Idlethoughts(5) - Sunnydaze(182), raventhief(207), toejam(259), Halbriston(300), professorp(398) > > Tojeam(3) - Hookerchemical(9), billmc(23), sinjin(53), > > Sachertorte(1) - Johnnybravo(14), > > Enderw24(2) - Nanook(28), Crys75(34) > > Thingfish(1) - pleonast(141) > > Pleonast(1) - plumpudding(222), > > Khameleon(1) - Meeko(319)\*\* You have \*\*ToeJam \*\* voting for both \*\*Idle Thoughts \*\* and **Prof. P** ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/444 "2017-01-27T03:59:34Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > But we know that townies are ignorant… assessing their suspicions is good, because we know their honest… assessing their town leans is flawed because while honest they could very easily be mislead. Their suspicions could be wrong too, but scum is trying to mislead town, so IMO the thread townies suspicions should be given more weight than their town leans. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk I recall a game on the dope where scum used towny trust/don’t trust lists to go after town. Because scum knew who was who to begin with. It was before I started playing, I saw it only on the reread. I think town lost because scums knew what buttons to push. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/445 "2017-01-27T04:09:29Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Is there a scenario where Toejam survives? If he is scum making a fake claim, then the other scum faction doesn’t know this and they will try and kill him. If he is town and claiming for real, then he is also dead. > > Poor Toejam. My take as well FWIW ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/446 "2017-01-27T04:31:34Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > Currently, there’s a lot of people who were gunning for me hard D1 and D2, and voted for me… but as soon as I claimed, they got real quiet and became Pro-Me. > That’s STILL scummy to me.\*\* BioTop. SunnyDaze. Sinjin. Guiri. ThingFish\*\*. You guys would all be on my “smudge list” if I made those things. Sorry **Toejam** you are not the center of my universe. I spent yesterday dealing with my dementia mom’s problems and today enjoying Disneyland with my 2 year old grandson. You are still at the top of my scum picks. You lie pretty, but you are still a lying liar. My vote remains on you. For others who are giving you the benefit of the doubt after your “claim” I would bet that none of them are Pro- **Toejam**. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/447 "2017-01-27T04:36:11Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > But now that I think more about it, Toejam is a good target for a watcher. Maybe scum will back off him for that reason. You spilled your wine. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/448 "2017-01-27T04:39:47Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I actually have no idea how to do this. I’ll try not to overquote though. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro remove the periods and the code is [spoiler.][/spoiler.] ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/449 "2017-01-27T04:47:06Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > And why didn’t ToeJam claim then, when he was in serious danger of being lynched? Why did it take a week for him to come up with his role claim. I think his role claim and his silly VT targeting himself is all blather. He supposedly faked being a detective so scum wouldn’t target him? What is more dangerous to scum a doc or a detective? IMHO a dick is more a danger to scum in early days than a doc. > > If you are the doc, a really important role for town, why would you fake being another power role to draw attention away from you docness? That makes no sense at all. All it does is draw attention to yourself and target yourself for a kill. > > This looks to me like a last ditch, get more info from town before I die gambit, hoping that the real doc claims so scum get a one for one. That’s how I read it to. If he is scum then were are finally starting to get things going, if he’s town, we need to rethink why we are failing so hard. You take this one comment out of my post that wasnt even about Toejam, and pose an entire counter argument that aligns with my thoughts on the matter. If you were replying directly to me, please see my other posts regarding Toejam. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/450 "2017-01-27T04:49:58Z")
NETA I dont think, but would have to recheck, that he was around at the end of Day. Which is why some thought it odd that he was overly paranoid N2 and the beginning of toDay. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/451 "2017-01-27T04:51:42Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > No. His reappearance and willingness to answer my direct question with a rapid response in the middle of the night made me doubt his Scumminess. He then posted a WOW defense and role claim. This did not match up with my theory that he bailed under pressure on Day 1. Once \*\*TowJam \*\*claimed I believed him enough to recind my vote. I understand this much better, I thought I was misreading things. That’s why I asked, thank you for the response. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/452 "2017-01-27T04:53:38Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Which is to say if you’re scum it’s so brilliant I can’t help but admire it. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro A boy can dream, but not this game. Maybe next time. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/453 "2017-01-27T04:54:42Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > OK so you lied when you said you would explain when I made the problem with understanding clearer. So you would not explain if I got the question right > > chasing rabbit butts I got it Chasing rabbit butts? Not an expression I’m familiar with, but I think I like it. It’s that all this whole to-do with you and Paul and the lie amounts to? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/454 "2017-01-27T04:55:22Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > supersnips…WHY? BECAUSE I’M THE GODDAMN DOCTOR. This reminds me of: _German accent_"What do you think I am, A GODDAMN DOCTOR!? I don’t sell sedatives. Tranquilizers, I do have._/german_ 100 banana stickers to the first one to name the movie. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/455 "2017-01-27T05:01:25Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > OK so you lied when you said you would explain when I made the problem with understanding clearer. So you would not explain if I got the question right > > chasing rabbit butts I got it I think this is right, but im having trouble parsing it… which may be the point? In a further attempt to clarify… this is almost comedic… I will be happy to answer any questions, I am not going to try to reword that whole point again. If you don’t understand something, I’m happy to answer any questions you have. Reading this reply from you made me feel like we both speak non-english languages and are running our posts through a translator. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/456 "2017-01-27T05:02:42Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > This reminds me of: > > _German accent_"What do you think I am, A GODDAMN DOCTOR!? I don’t sell sedatives. Tranquilizers, I do have._/german_ > > 100 banana stickers to the first one to name the movie. Where is Drain Bead when you need her? ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/457 "2017-01-27T05:04:28Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I don’t understand why we’re still discussing Toe Jam. If we’re not going to lynch a claimed third party with a role that doesn’t seem to make sense, why on earth would we lynch a claimed town doc who could be counter claimed? I’m not suggesting that if there is a counterclaim that they do it now, BTW. I agree. He’s not even in the lead and he’s still talking about himself. @Toejam, you are not in danger of being lynched. Please dial it back and/or do some sleuthing. At the very least, try to reduce the noise. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/458 "2017-01-27T05:08:07Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > My studies in previous games have lead me to believe in my figures. We have 0 Scum and 10 Town dead - I have no reason to trust into typical play. Didn’t your studies of lurking in the previous games lead you to conclude LTL was no better than an average guess? At least that’s the way I remember it from Giraffe. If we can’t trust our logic and psychology then we depend on luck/power roles to win the game. What fun is that? I don’t think you really believe what you are arguing. **Vote Prof. Pepperwinkle** ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/459 "2017-01-27T05:08:42Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Chasing rabbit butts? Not an expression I’m familiar with, but I think I like it. It’s that all this whole to-do with you and Paul and the lie amounts to? Oh… I get it now… down the rabbit hole… I like it. @lightfoot… I read you 5 by 5 now. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/460 "2017-01-27T05:11:01Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Where is Drain Bead when you need her? Imma go drink a bunch of bourbon and go watch it for the zillion time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=24)