# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/481 "2017-01-27T06:23:53Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > The terrible post is the one where he finally gives us his LtL results then votes 3rd party. And I’ve seen many games that afterwards, when reading the scumboards, there is at least discussion of what type of things to post, if not verbatim text. Got it, I’ve never experienced it but I don’t doubt it happens. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/482 "2017-01-27T06:24:21Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > I’ve played many a Scum game and I don’t remember ever allowing/not allowing a teammate to post. If I was going to make a major claim I’d run it by my Scummates. Strategy? Sure. Schemes? You bet. But the general blah blah of daily posting can’t be monitored that way, I don’t think. > > What would you tell a teammate in trouble **SNF**? \*Just be yourself and try to ride it out? \*I think that is what I would advise. That would surely be better than giving him a false case and then expecting him to back it up under scrutiny. One more add to this, the post I’m talking about wasn’t general blah blah. IT was the Big Reveal of him catching up and analysis. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/483 "2017-01-27T06:24:55Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > So, on D1 and D2 there isn’t enough Data to really make a good case. This is D3. Here they are: The Mafia and the Wolves are most likely found in these 14 people: > > **Svejk, Cygnus42, Khameleon, Howkeyop, Hal Briston, DiggitCamara, Nanook, > BillMC, Koldanar, MHaye, nesta, Zeriel, Idle Thoughts, Inner Stickler** > > The order is from least-to-highest posters. Yes, I considered people who’ve subbed in for other people. The whole post is so wrong, but I just wanted to comment on this bit. Apparently, Day 1 and Day 2 have not enough data for good cases, but Day 3 is when good cases can be made. And here it comes: the scum are (…drum roll…) the low count posters. Seriously?? Some others have commented that scum are more likely to be better represented in that group, but I actually think the opposite is the case. Scum have an exciting role and get to scheme and plan on their own secret board. They feel involved in the game. Conversely, vanilla town can feel like very minor players, and allow the game to overwhelm them. Returning to Prof. Pepperwinkle’s entire post, it is so bad that it is almost too scummy to be scum. But certainly **FOS Prof. Pepperwinkle** ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/484 "2017-01-27T06:33:27Z")
I am rereading D2 through search and I see that ToeJam was around at EoD and aware of his danger. I stand corrected, it does seem odd he didn’t claim then. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/485 "2017-01-27T06:37:21Z")
Ok, I’m about to step up my sleuthjuice rations…I can’t promise to try to cut down on jabbering idiocy, but I’ll try to try. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/486 "2017-01-27T06:42:21Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by DiggitCamara > > Seeing that Sario just blew up, couldn’t he be the one who prevented a Night Kill? > > > > Other than that, I am still re-reading the thread. One question, however: why does everyone assume that the cult has been “cleared” and is probably non-hostile? > > > > The thing is that makes me a bit nervous is: > > > > 1. We only know their role by their reported PM. > > > > 2. They hold at least a switch. I am assuming that switches are held by members of opposing factions (to maximize WIFOM). Wouldn’t a reveal of the switch help us see whether or not a living townsperson holds a similar switch? If that counterswitch were discovered, we would know for certain if the third party is hostile, wouldn’t it? > > Brewha claimed to have a switch. He flipped town so I have to assume he was telling the truth. But no mention of a switch was noted in his flipping. > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Meeko > > Could the entirety of the scum team be lurking? > > Nope, but I do think there are good odds of there being a lot of them in that group Prof put forth. 1. The mods have already stated that switches are not revealed on death. 2. I wouldn’t put good odds on that, as I just posted a short time ago. Even if they are over represented, lynching from that pool will still likely result in a town death, as I said in [#119](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19948898&postcount=119) ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/487 "2017-01-27T06:46:45Z")
I won’t be voting **Toejam** for the moment, and **Idle Thoughts** might be handled by the mods. So **Vote Boozahol Squid** ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/488 "2017-01-27T06:46:47Z")
Ok… I went back and searched D2 for “cultists” and reread a good chunk of the Day through that lense. I want to preface this post by saying that, to be fair, I was neutral at best about the cultists and was very skeptical, my following suspicions and leans are based solely on the players’ posted thought at the time. I understand an evolving perspective, so if your position on the matter has changed, please let me know. I haven’t done a reread of D3 yet with this new focus. Cultist Pushers (The people who seem to be in favor of lynching 3P.) JohnnyBravo (Thinks it’s a scum ploy but in D2#960 seems to discount a scum ploy and in favor of letting the cultists live. Then suddenly in D2#990 he thinks its a scum ploy and wants to lynch one of them. To be fair, I thought of this possibility to, but I think it highly unlikely.) Enderw24 (hostile 3P theory…sorry, it’s not a theory, he KNOWS) Prof.P. (Though he did move his vote to Idle) SNF (D2#927) Scathach (D2#959, wants to lynch Crys to test Sach’s claim, votes Crys.) **Town Leans based on Cultists Issue** HookerChemical (D2#988) Sunny Daze (D2#932) Captain Klutz (D2#950) Again, these are impressions from D2. I think, for example, that SNF’s position on the matter has changed. That may also be true of others, I intend to continue this through D3, but I need to get some sleep and wanted to post what I had. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/489 "2017-01-27T07:06:53Z")
I do believe at least one of the claimed cultists needs to die sooner than later, but ideally as a 2nd or 3rd lynch if available. Scumbos should be top priority for now. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/490 "2017-01-27T07:07:03Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Seeing that Sario just blew up, couldn’t he be the one who prevented a Night Kill? > > Other than that, I am still re-reading the thread. One question, however: why does everyone assume that the cult has been “cleared” and is probably non-hostile? > > The thing is that makes me a bit nervous is: > > 1. We only know their role by their reported PM. > > 2. They hold at least a switch. I am assuming that switches are held by members of opposing factions (to maximize WIFOM). Wouldn’t a reveal of the switch help us see whether or not a living townsperson holds a similar switch? If that counterswitch were discovered, we would know for certain if the third party is hostile, wouldn’t it? Commenting on point 2: I don’t know what you mean by “Wouldn’t a reveal of the switch help us see whether or not a living townsperson holds a similar switch?” **Crys75** has already revealed what switch she has. Whoever holds the other one is free to mention it. But note that we don’t have any information on the distribution of the switches, so inferring alignment (or hostile/non hostile) from switch possession would be reckless. Tell me, **DiggitCamara** , what would you conclude if the other switch were held by: 1. Scum 2 Town 3 Third party ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/491 "2017-01-27T12:27:23Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Ok, so back to the game. We know scums have infinite yapping. Prof’s case is so monumentally bad that can’t see his scum pally pals signing off on it. Unless he rogue posted it, or its a ploy of some kind…anyone have thoughts on this? **snfaulkner** , I have played games where scum discuss posting in general, and may run a fake claim post by each other, or some other major ploy, but it has not been my experience that a single post like **Prof Pepperwinkle** ’s is something I would de facto _expect_ to have been discussed on a scum board. This “signing off on” scum posts and “making” someone fake claim you speak of is foreign to me. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/492 "2017-01-27T13:24:24Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Ok… I went back and searched D2 for “cultists” and reread a good chunk of the Day through that lense. > > … > > JohnnyBravo (Thinks it’s a scum ploy but in D2#960 seems to discount a scum ploy and in favor of letting the cultists live. Then suddenly in D2#990 he thinks its a scum ploy and wants to lynch one of them. To be fair, I thought of this possibility to, but I think it highly unlikely.) This is wildly misrepresenting the whole thrust of my attitude towards the cultists. If you were doing a keyword search for “cultists,” why didn’t you start on my **first** post using that keyword in #715? Or (if you’d bothered to follow the thread of the topic that **you** are rereading back just a little ways) even the first time I mentioned the cult at all in #610? There’s no “sudden” change in my attitude towards these guys. In D2#960 I used the phrase “if they are real” twice, and I’m discussing the cultists in the context of my plan, the entire point of which is to confirm that the cultists are not scum. Post D2#990 is me clarifying a facet of that same plan. You said you did a keyword search for “cultist” in D2 but then, in your analysis, you excluded posts of mine that included that keyword. You used the word “suddenly” to try and paint a clarification of an existing conversation as me being wishy-washy, when I’ve been damned consistent in my opinion of what to do with the cultists. The only thing that’s changed is my agreement that if all five cultists were to claim, lynching one would be unnecessary, but that’s 100% consistent with my initial desire to confirm them as being an actual 3P rather than masquerading scum. So - what the hell? I’d say that skimming is a scum tell, but you did a keyword-based reread and managed to completely misrepresent even the posts of mine that involve the keyword. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/493 "2017-01-27T13:55:37Z")
> [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > I won’t be voting **Toejam** for the moment, and **Idle Thoughts** might be handled by the mods. So > > **Vote Boozahol Squid** Any particular reason? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/494 "2017-01-27T14:20:30Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > \*\* I have a vote on Boozahol Squid that’s not being counted?\*\* \*\*I like Boozahol, so he is mod-protected. Kidding. His votes were on the bottom of my document and did not paste when I copied and pasted.\*\* 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/495 "2017-01-27T14:21:33Z")
\*\*Please check for accuracy. Vote Count: ProfessorP(10) - Texcat(278), jsgoddess(332), paulwhoisghost(343), pleonast(345), innerstickler(347), lightfoot(354), Hockeymonkey(367), toejam(408), bufftabby(420), biotop(458) Idlethoughts(4) - Sunnydaze(182), raventhief(207), Halbriston(300), professorp(398) Boozahol(3) - Hoopyfrood(286), angelofthenorth(303), Captainklutz(487) Tojeam(3) - Hookerchemical(9), billmc(23), sinjin(53), Sachertorte(1) - Johnnybravo(14), Enderw24(2) - Nanook(28), Crys75(34) Thingfish(1) - pleonast(141) Pleonast(1) - plumpudding(222), Khameleon(1) - Meeko(319)\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/496 "2017-01-27T14:23:09Z")
I apologize to Town for my bad playing. But I am Town. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/497 "2017-01-27T14:43:23Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I apologize to Town for my bad playing. But I am Town. FWIW I’m beginning to believe you, Prof. The effect of having two scum teams seems to be that everyone piles on town. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/498 "2017-01-27T14:45:18Z")
And I’d really, really like to see the one-offs take a stand on someone who has a chance of being lynched. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/499 "2017-01-27T14:56:16Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > And I’d really, really like to see the one-offs take a stand on someone who has a chance of being lynched. **vote: Crys75** I’ve drank hospital coffee stronger than the cases currently being leveled against \*\*Idle \*\*and **Prof. Pumpernickel**. I’ve never voted for a non-counterclaimed doctors, and I’m unlikely to break that streak for **Toejam.** The best that I can see right now is to lynch one of the third party contenders, and if we’re going to have only one of the two around in the endgame, hopefully helping Town, I know **sache** is a very strong/dangerous player. That leaves **Crys75** , I’m afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/500 "2017-01-27T15:01:28Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > I’ve drank hospital coffee stronger than the cases currently being leveled against \*\*Idle \*\*and **Prof. Pumpernickel**. I’ve never voted for a non-counterclaimed doctors, and I’m unlikely to break that streak for **Toejam.** The best that I can see right now is to lynch one of the third party contenders, and if we’re going to have only one of the two around in the endgame, hopefully helping Town, I know **sache** is a very strong/dangerous player. That leaves **Crys75** , I’m afraid. If you want to lynch one of the 3P players, please go back to my reasoning about why it’s better for us to lynch Sachertorte. It’s D2#990. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=26)