# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/521 "2017-01-27T16:48:57Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > \*\*ATTENTION MODS: > > I would like to request that Idle’s own request be taken into account and that he be modkilled. If he is vanilla town as he claims, then he’d hurting an already reeling town by encouraging the lynch train against him. Since he apparently came back to the thread to ask (in green) that he be modkilled, I don’t think it’s unfair to ask that he be obliged so that we can use our lynch on somebody else. \*\* Huh? Same question to you as to Paul. How does it benefit us to have yet another modkill of (assuming he’s telling the truth) vanilla town? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/522 "2017-01-27T16:49:01Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > How do you get that a modkill would be better? If he’s truly vanilla town, then a modkill plus another (potential) mislynch is worse for town? (I’m not challenging you, I don’t understand and I suspect I’m missing something.) Mislynches of active players still give us data. Lynching Idle is a waste since he hasn’t really contributed. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/523 "2017-01-27T16:49:45Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > \*\*ATTENTION MODS: > > I would like to request that Idle’s own request be taken into account and that he be modkilled. If he is vanilla town as he claims, then he’d hurting an already reeling town by encouraging the lynch train against him. Since he apparently came back to the thread to ask (in green) that he be modkilled, I don’t think it’s unfair to ask that he be obliged so that we can use our lynch on somebody else. \*\* My inclination is to kill him right now, but that’s not a move I am going to make unilaterally. Y’all are going to have to wait until Mahaloth and Story have had time to weigh in. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/524 "2017-01-27T16:50:15Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Mislynches of active players still give us data. Lynching Idle is a waste since he hasn’t really contributed. This should read "Lynching a “vanilla town” Idle is a waste. If he’s scum as people are suggesting, then lynching him would be great. But since he only came back to ask to be modkilled, I would like to see that happen. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/525 "2017-01-27T16:51:32Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Mislynches of active players still give us data. Lynching Idle is a waste since he hasn’t really contributed. He hasn’t contributed but there have been lots of arguments for and against him. There will be data based on who took a stand. I don’t know if everyone missed this, I think I’m the only person who commented, but we’ve already had a modkill of a vanilla town toDay? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/526 "2017-01-27T16:52:42Z")
You know what? I change my mind. I don’t want to be modkilled, just to piss you off. I think I’ll start playing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/527 "2017-01-27T16:54:23Z")
Look at it from a different perspective. If we had two lynches today, would you be opposed to Idle Thoughts being the second lynch? If the answer is “no,” then consider the modkill to be equivalent the second lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/528 "2017-01-27T16:54:41Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > How do you get that a modkill would be better? If he’s truly vanilla town, then a modkill plus another (potential) mislynch is worse for town? (I’m not challenging you, I don’t understand and I suspect I’m missing something.) Based on the statement he’s made, he must die. And based on the fact that he made that statement, we cannot trust that he will allow the mods to modkill him. As such, we are forced to lynch him, cuz the scum teams sure as hell aren’t going to touch him and it seems fairly likely that Batman can’t handle him. We have been forced into the informational equivalent of no lynch by his actions. A modkill would have at least let us use the lynch on someone else, netting at least information if not an outright scum. **unvote ender** I still like this vote. I don’t know why more people aren’t following. But we don’t have a lot of options with Idle. **vote Idle Thoughts** ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/529 "2017-01-27T16:54:52Z")
I can’t believe you’d actually try to take the unfair, easy way out, Oh yeah, modkill him. Because if he’s scum…then hey! Free modkill of a scum! Woohoo! And if he’s not scum, then it saves us from a mislynch of a town player. Woohoo for free/second chances! Yeah, that’s the crap way. Since when do players ask for backhanded cheating ways like that? Sorry, no modkill for me any more. You’re just gonna have to MISLYNCH me and like it. Course, you’re free to NOT vote for me too, if you’re THAT unsure that I really may be telling the truth. Heaven forbid THAT ever cross your mind, **Johnny Bravo!** ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/530 "2017-01-27T16:56:56Z")
And of course in the process of me posting all that, things blew up. Bleh. I am now convinced that he’s just straight up scum fucking with people. I am no longer unhappy with my vote, though from a metagame perspective I feel bad for whoever is on the same team as him. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/531 "2017-01-27T16:58:30Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > A modkill would have at least let us use the lynch on someone else, netting at least information if not an outright scum. That’s not how the game is played, though. I only offered it up as “choose any of the available options”. But now that I see people are actually wanting to take the easy way out, I changed my mind. How the game is played is this: You lynch who you think is REALLY scum and if you happen to be wrong and mislynch a townsperson. OOPS! OH well! Try again next time! No free passes to remove a highly suspicious member so you can take a free turn. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/532 "2017-01-27T16:59:49Z")
**Idle Thoughts** , pulling our chains and playing out of anger at Town, it seems. **Unvote Professor Pepperwinkle** \*\*Vote Idle Thoughts \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/533 "2017-01-27T16:59:41Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > If you want to lynch one of the 3P players, please go back to my reasoning about why it’s better for us to lynch Sachertorte. It’s D2#990. Thanks for the reference. Like most people, I’m completely underwater trying to keep up with everything. **sachetorte** did breadcrumb prior to **Crys75’s** posting of her role PM. While the Martin LUTHA King thing seems a weird stretch, it was also a bit of a weird thing to say. His other crumbing was enough to convince me that he had a role roughly similar to what **Crys75** posted. I think if he’s nefarious in some manner, so is she. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/534 "2017-01-27T17:00:40Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Look at it from a different perspective. > > If we had two lynches today, would you be opposed to Idle Thoughts being the second lynch? If the answer is “no,” then consider the modkill to be equivalent the second lynch. No, I wouldn’t. But I might object to him being the third lynch. (We already had a VT modkill.) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/535 "2017-01-27T17:00:50Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > though from a metagame perspective I feel bad for whoever is on the same team as him. Well, allow me to clue you in to how things are: Town is my team…and the only reason people started voting for me today is “A durrr…Idle Thoughts has been non active!” It couldn’t actually be because, you know, **I’M BUSY**. No, it must mean it’s because I’m scum. Extremely stupid and weak reasoning. Many people even admit that their vote on me is based on metagaming. Well, you’ll soon see how THAT turns out for ya. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/536 "2017-01-27T17:04:48Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I can’t believe you’d actually try to take the unfair, easy way out, Oh yeah, modkill him. Because if he’s scum…then hey! Free modkill of a scum! Woohoo! > And if he’s not scum, then it saves us from a mislynch of a town player. Woohoo for free/second chances! > Yeah, that’s the crap way. Since when do players ask for backhanded cheating ways like that? Sorry, no modkill for me any more. You’re just gonna have to MISLYNCH me and like it. > > Course, you’re free to NOT vote for me too, if you’re THAT unsure that I really may be telling the truth. Heaven forbid THAT ever cross your mind, **Johnny Bravo!** Wow, unbelievable. \*\*You’re \*\*the one who hasn’t been playing. Let’s be very clear. If you are in fact town, as you claim, then you’re hurting us badly right now by not accepting the modkill that **you** asked for. You could have just continued lurking and let nature take its course on your modkill. We all would have moved on. If you’re scum, I’m perfectly happy spending the lynch on you. I think I suggested upthread that a scummy but dissatisfied Idle might pop in to post - just to avoid the modkill. It sure **seems** like you didn’t expect the mods to actually consider modkilling you since by posting you technically bypassed the lurker rule. So we’ll see. I really do hope you’re scum, because if it turns out you’re legitimately trolling your own team, I’m going to be super disappointed in you. \*\*unvote Vote Idle Thoughts\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/537 "2017-01-27T17:05:28Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > His apology is sincere. I just feel these things, 75% of the time I’m right when it’s real and not bullshit. _Especially_ in the circumstances where objective evidence would seem to indicate the opposite. > > I know some of you will pull your hair out at this statement- I got told I suck as town for years because this is how I play, and I didn’t get decent as town until I learned to not care and trust it. > > But I’ll try to offer you objective evidence too for those of you that need it. (I’m half-convinced now that my “empathic” abilities are just picking up on evidence subconsciously and being unable to articulate what that evidence is. ) > > He’s being inconsistent as hell. That is a general TOWN tell, not a general SCUM tell. Scum are caught by one inconsistency, not being all over the place. > > And every bandwagon that built this fast in this game has been on town. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Feelings? Okay, I know you play like this. Not much I can do with just a feeling though, since I’m not sure I share it. Btw: I don’t think it is sincere, at least not all of it. I’d like Prof. to comment on this too. I remember when you (Prof.) posted the result of your LtL research, and per my memory, you basically said LtL as a strategy was about as effective as guessing at random and that you were dropping it as a strategy. So why bring it up again? It makes no sense that LtL is more effective here than on Giraffe, why would a different board make it more viable? And why would you believe bringing it up here along with absolutely nothing else wouldn’t net you votes? I know you’re fond of it, it’s your pet-theory, your meta blabla, but come on, I’m sure you can see how it’s not particularly satisfying, especially as a main course with no sauce, sides or garnish. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/538 "2017-01-27T17:07:59Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > How the game is played is this: You lynch who you think is REALLY scum and if you happen to be wrong and mislynch a townsperson. OOPS! OH well! Try again next time! No free passes to remove a highly suspicious member so you can take a free turn. How the game is played is that **everybody plays.** Life happens, yes, and nobody blames you for being busy. But if you’re not playing, **you should be removed without us having to spend a lynch on you.** ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/539 "2017-01-27T17:09:00Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > **Idle Thoughts** , pulling our chains and playing out of anger at Town, it seems. > > **Unvote Professor Pepperwinkle** > > \*\*Vote Idle Thoughts \*\* What anger? This is me normally in games. You’ve played in two games with me as a player so far (I’m not counting the one I modded). BOTH times I was Town (you don’t know I am in this game yet, but you soon will, so I’m counting it already)…well, this is how every game is with me. It’s not anger at all. However when people vote for foolish reasons like “Oh, he’s been inactive, so he must be scum”, that makes me want to say something, if only at how bad that logic is and to use it when playing mafia. It’s like I said in this post: > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Well, allow me to clue you in to how things are: Town is my team…and the only reason people started voting for me today is “A durrr…Idle Thoughts has been non active!” > It couldn’t actually be because, you know, **I’M BUSY**. No, it must mean it’s because I’m scum. > Extremely stupid and weak reasoning. Many people even admit that their vote on me is based on metagaming. Well, you’ll soon see how THAT turns out for ya. Ahem, now to this… > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Wow, unbelievable. \*\*You’re \*\*the one who hasn’t been playing. > > Let’s be very clear. If you are in fact town, as you claim, then you’re hurting us badly right now by not accepting the modkill that **you** asked for. You could have just continued lurking and let nature take its course on your modkill. We all would have moved on. > > If you’re scum, I’m perfectly happy spending the lynch on you. I think I suggested upthread that a scummy but dissatisfied Idle might pop in to post - just to avoid the modkill. It sure **seems** like you didn’t expect the mods to actually consider modkilling you since by posting you technically bypassed the lurker rule. > > So we’ll see. I really do hope you’re scum, because if it turns out you’re legitimately trolling your own team, I’m going to be super disappointed in you. > > \*\*unvote > > Vote Idle Thoughts\*\* I shouldn’t have to accept a modkill. If you’re so sure I’m scum, THEN LYNCH me. If you think I’m town, however, and you’re still lynching me, then that’s **YOU being foolish** , not me. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/540 "2017-01-27T17:09:12Z")
**Idle Thoughts** , I think EVERYONE understands the case against you at this point. We get your defense. Move on and play if that’s what you are going to do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=28)