# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/41 "2017-01-25T01:47:04Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Tojeam(3) - Hookerchemical(9), snfaulkner(17), billmc(23), Sachertorte(1) - Johnnybravo(14) Enderw24(2) - Nanook(28), Crys75(34) Toejam is currently up for the lynch.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/42 "2017-01-25T01:53:58Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > ~~snip~~ > > I’m willing to believe Brewha had the batswitch. We know, or at least it seems we know, that AUBatman likes to kill lynch runners up from N1. Who was a lynch runner up on D2? ToeJam. Scum would know this and they turned off their batswitch to save ToeJam. Therefore: > > Vote ToeJam > > Also for all the crazy plays he’s made, as summed up so well by Hooker above. Option 2 is that \*\* ToeJam \*\* is AUBatman. so Scum turned him off. I don’t know either way- but it is an option. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/43 "2017-01-25T02:11:13Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I don’t believe the bolded part above is correct. The roles doc shows on the scum PMs that they win when the number of scum is greater than 50% of the population and they outnumber the opposing scum faction. Which means they could win at at as few as 26 players remain if one of the factions loses no members and the other only loses 1. Example: Mafia have 7, wolves have 6, combined they number 13… meaning total population would be 26 to meet the wincon. Throw in at least 5 of the remaining population being 3P and it would be 8 town remaining. > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk I THINK your math is off here 50% of the population would in my mind, include All live players 7 Mafia is not more than 50% of 26 “YOU WIN if the total number of living Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Wolves.” ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/44 "2017-01-25T02:17:17Z")
> [@BillMC](#): > > How could 7 mafia win with a total of 26 still alive? > > Look at the wincon: > > _“YOU WIN if the total number of living Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population[/u[ AND greater than the number of living Wolves.”_ > > If 7 mafia were alive - for the 50% to be true, the total population could only be 14, and no more than 6 wolves alive. My mistake was interpreting “mafia” as scum in the wincon. I see how off that makes my logic. My bad. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/45 "2017-01-25T02:22:11Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Paul is wildly aggressive both as town and scum. This isn’t the first time people have said I was being too aggressive or intense… if it gets to be too much, let me know and I’ll try to dial it back. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/46 "2017-01-25T02:22:32Z")
My posts may be redundant- with the volume of this game I respond as I read- it works for me. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/47 "2017-01-25T02:29:43Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > My posts may be redundant- with the volume of this game I respond as I read- it works for me. Me too. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/48 "2017-01-25T02:33:33Z")
Town _YOU WIN if at any checkpoint (Dawn or Dusk) all 14 Scum players (Wolves + Mafia) are dead._ compare this with the Wolf/Mafia win-con “YOU WIN if the total number of living Wolf/Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Mafia/ Wolves.” Can you\* now see that the 3Ps have value? - generic you ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/49 "2017-01-25T02:41:15Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Option 2 is that \*\* ToeJam \*\* is AUBatman. so Scum turned him off. > > I don’t know either way- but it is an option. I consider this more plausible than a scum conspiracy to fake claim third party with an ability to confirm fellow cultists. I’m voting TJ, which should tell you I don’t think the second option is at all likely. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/50 "2017-01-25T02:42:33Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > I’m gonna look over TexCat Day 2, to see if I might revive my vote or not. Other than that, I’m feeling iffy… > …a bit on paulwhoisaghost (strangely aggressive, as if he has to make up for something)… > > On Crys and sachertorte: I can understand some arguments for how certain behaviors of theirs could be scummy, but for it all to add up together… I just don’t see the point, from their point of view as scum. Why not just stay silent? None of them were considered prime lynch-beef before all of this. The contortions to make all of this add up as scum motivation makes it improbable, IMO. What does that mean? “As if he has something to make up for.” Is that some sort of weird smudge? If you are trying to suggest I could be scum, what would scum have to make up for? If anything it’s town who has something to make up for, the knowledge scum has and they don’t. So yeah, I do have something to make up for. It bugs me that no one else seems to “have something to make up for.” Would you rather I lighten up and play like everyone else? Because I think my level of intensity actually helps town in assessing my character. By being so aggressive and vocal, I give town a litmus to compare my votes and actions to. Isn’t that a good thing? Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/51 "2017-01-25T02:53:21Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > \*\*PaulwisaG \*\*kinda pinged me last Night when he put words in my mouth, plus his theories seem overly paranoid to the point of being purposefully confusing. > . I think we are gonna ping each other every game… something to keep in mind next game. So far the impression I get from you this game is that you are participating only to the point of commenting on cases other people make. But I haven’t focused on you, so that may be unfair. To address your points, you call it putting words in your mouth, but my post was clearly addressing you. Yes I rephrase what you wrote, but I did so in order to put what I parsed from your post in my own words to make sure I was understanding you properly. I wasn’t. I am pretty sure I explained that during N2. My bad. And my crazy paranoid theories were not intended to be confusing. I was trying to consider all possibilities and rule them out… where I thought I saw scumminess I posed the possibility. This game is complex. Two scum factions, a cult, and switches to boot. Who am I to assume exactly how complex it is? I suspect I am at more of info disadvantage than you. Not necessarily that you are scum, but that you have a role that naturally has more info than mine. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Cygnus42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Cygnus42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cygnus42)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/52 "2017-01-25T02:59:25Z")
Couple thoughts… I like \*\*ToeJam \*\*as the primary suspect for today - if nothing else, it’ll resolve some questions from Day 1. He’s come back with a very fervent defense, but that makes sense than just laying down to die (or standing up to hang, whatever) - so, it’s not that unexpected. Also we should keep in mind… **Drain Bead** was suspicious of a few people before getting killed in nondescript fashion - **TotalLost** , **BillMC** , and **ProfP**. So, he/she may have been on to something and struck a nerve. Also, all three of these were among the last to jump onto the \*\*brewha \*\*bandwagon, making a pretty safe vote at the time. I agree with the observation that Prof P is being vocal without being helpful…a lot of posting, but not much investigation (not that I can talk, but still - noticeably different than the one other game I played in). ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/53 "2017-01-25T03:02:13Z")
**Roosh/Toejam** : When I singled your post out on Day one I had no idea that you were one and the same person. I suspected you then and my suspicions have only increased since then. Your VT gambit seems to be douchy to the mods and an attempt to take the heat off yourself. It makes no sense at all. I think you are scum of some variety. **vote Toejam** {oog} I don’t appreciate you bringing up past game dust-ups in the current game. Your remembrance of things past does not agree with mine. Not cool. Let’s just play this game. Kay? Thanks{/oog} ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/54 "2017-01-25T03:02:28Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Town _YOU WIN if at any checkpoint (Dawn or Dusk) all 14 Scum players (Wolves + Mafia) are dead._ > > compare this with the Wolf/Mafia win-con > “YOU WIN if the total number of living Wolf/Mafia is greater than or equal to 50% of the total population AND greater than the number of living Mafia/ Wolves.” > Can you\* now see that the 3Ps have value? > > - generic you Yes… so long as we can kill all the scum with only the lynch before the 3P achieve their wincon, then we are okay… just one problem… the games all blue so far… which means if the 3P are lying about their wincon, then town could be in trouble. I’m playing Devils advocate here… it doubly helps us to not lynch the 3P. Once because we know we don’t have to hunt for scum there. (If you believe they are 3P and the claim is at least honest about that… and that’s how I’m going to proceed. I agree that it is unlikely scum would be given the false role PMs.) And a second time because they count against scum wincon. We need to lynch scum and only scum anyone else would be a mistake. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/55 "2017-01-25T03:08:53Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Anyway, back to the game. > > I’m willing to believe Brewha had the batswitch. We know, or at least it seems we know, that AUBatman likes to kill lynch runners up from N1. Who was a lynch runner up on D2? ToeJam. Scum would know this and they turned off their batswitch to save ToeJam. Therefore: > > \*\* > Vote ToeJam\*\* > > Also for all the crazy plays he’s made, as summed up so well by Hooker above. I feel like your batswitch theory unnecessarily involves Toejam. I’m pretty sure that if\* scum are holding the batswitch they would press it anyway. Why take a chance at him shooting one of them at random if it costs them nothing to push a button? \*It is possible a third party holds it, but I think it more likely scum have it. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/56 "2017-01-25T03:14:09Z")
\*\*Poof! Did you hear that? Yeesh, that was…odd sounding. Very odd. And…oh, look.\*\* **Sario is dead. He was the Wizard.** **This is a Day death. It does not impact the total available lynches. It was not a mod-kill.** ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/57 "2017-01-25T03:15:46Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > **Roosh/Toejam** : When I singled your post out on Day one I had no idea that you were one and the same person. I suspected you then and my suspicions have only increased since then. Your VT gambit seems to be douchy to the mods\*\* and an attempt to take the heat off yourself.\*\* It makes no sense at all. I think you are scum of some variety. > > **vote Toejam** > > {oog} I don’t appreciate you bringing up past game dust-ups in the current game. Your remembrance of things past does not agree with mine. Not cool. Let’s just play this game. Kay? Thanks{/oog} I have no problem with this vote, but I don’t understand the bolded part above. What scum role would take cover by getting VT to target themselves? I don’t understand the scum benefit other than adding to the noise. I do agree it would be painful to the mods. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/58 "2017-01-25T03:16:01Z")
Jesus Christ, this is getting fucking ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/59 "2017-01-25T03:16:09Z")
The hell? Did The Wizard use all spells at once? What happened? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/60 "2017-01-25T03:18:46Z")
I didnt think any deaths would resolve in the middle of a day or night? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=4)