# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/621 "2017-01-27T19:13:44Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > You changed your mind for bad reasons. You changed your mind because you claimed that anybody meeting your proposal with anything but sorrow was taking the “cheating” way out. > > Well, I’m sorry you see it that way, but I’m 100% playing for a town victory and I have been since Night 0. You’re a [del]Johnny-[/del] Idle-come-lately who, if VT, would have been better off going quietly into that good night and leaving the game to everyone else. > > Real, OOG talk here: Thank you for setting this game up. I’m enjoying myself. I’m sorry you were unable to play. But you hurt town by ghosting and now you’re continuing to hurt town. > > [Go on, Idle. Get out of here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiycHR5MZ5I) I actually like this post. OOG: Thanks. To be fair, I wish I hadn’t said (now) that I was staying in just to piss people off. It was a bad choice of words. Not that I think it will change anything. In short, (back in game talk) it really doesn’t matter anyway…I’ll be lynched and out of the game and everyone will be happy. Seems to me people are just unhappy because their logic is “If you really wanted to be out of the game, why not be mod killed, if you’re town that’s what would be best to do”…but my logic is this: If I’m really Town, then lynching me is just as bad. Seriously, ask yourself…are you voting for me because you REALLY, SINCERELY believe I’m scum, 100 percent…and that I’m the BEST person to lynch today? Or is it more so just because you’re annoyed with me at the moment and vote for me to spite me wanting to stay in now? I think it’s MORE so for the second reason than you (and others) would want to admit. I’m Town…okay? And I want to play now. And I’m sorry I said I was going to piss off people…but I had frustration too what with everyone voting for me for meta reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/622 "2017-01-27T19:14:53Z")
My post above (giving the three reasons people are voting for me) was supposed to be to PAUL, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/623 "2017-01-27T19:15:13Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I really don’t get this… you are the one who was so adamant that he was scum to begin with. I talked you out of his lynch in favor of a modkill. Are you really going to make me go back and quite all the times you advocated that he is scum or that you agreed we should let him be modkilled? > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk I’m very seriously confused by this. I’m reacting in real time and in my memory I’ve been consistently FOR his lynch today. And against him being modkilled, because we already had one modkill of town today. My opinion on this changed when he started this act over the past two hours. I think anyone who behaves like that should be modkilled as policy. And since we were just told that’s not happening today, I think he should be lynched. If you’re saying I agreed he should be modkilled before all of this, I genuinely don’t remember it, but my guess would be that this was well before Red Skeezix was modkilled. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/624 "2017-01-27T19:18:15Z")
Still have the flu. Still being quiet. I am reading everything. I agree that **Idle** is suddenly making a lot of noise. Interesting that. Could he be taking heat off of a buddy? Possibly. Could his team have decided they don’t want to lose something that he holds? (I wonder where that other Batman switch is exactly.) Is he just being a dog in a manger about the whole thing? It’s his party and the rest of us are here to play on his sufferance. FTR, I think that **ToeJam** ’s story is stinkier than fish after 3 days. I agree there’s no need for a counter-claim. Leaving my vote with **Idle**. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/625 "2017-01-27T19:20:50Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Here’s my thing - speaking as a moderator (but speaking only for myself). > > Modkilling is not supposed to be a game mechanic like the lynch or a role-block or a Night kill. In a perfect game, it would never be employed at all. I am reluctant in the extreme to allow players to attempt to manipulate the modkill or game it or incorporate it into a strategy. In my opinion, no player, regardless of alignment, should be happy when a modkill occurs; even if it ostensibly benefits your side, it’s still a sign that the game is not working correctly. What’s the fun in winning a broken game? > > My inclination is to reserve modkills only for truly inactive players, players who directly violate the rules, or players who become abusive. However, I will defer to my fellow moderators on the resolution of this particular situation. But this game isn’t working correctly. Mainly due to the sheer number of players who can’t keep up. I don’t blame them, but if they can’t play then either they need to be removed, or the game is broken. To ask the rest of us to play as we normally would while dealing with a huge pool of lurkers is absurd. We can’t assess them and lynching them requires that we not lynch people who have been playing. You want this game to continue, you can’t expect town to either lynch all the lurkers or leave them to end game, and you can’t expect scum to use their kill on players that are no threat to them. And if LUTHA exists, it severely incentivizes them to not participate and just post once a cycle to prevent modkill. All of which adds up to a broken game IMO. If we can’t dismiss non participants and let them be removed from the game, then this is no longer mafia, this is some bastardized version that requires town to remove the nonplayers before hunting scum or end up at end game with a bunch of scum and a bunch of people not playing. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/626 "2017-01-27T19:22:44Z")
\*\*No modkills on the docket right now. Idle, please be a bit less abrasive. Perhaps that is the wrong word, but it does seem like your behavior is rubbing people the wrong way.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/627 "2017-01-27T19:23:20Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Still have the flu. Still being quiet. I am reading everything. > > I agree that **Idle** is suddenly making a lot of noise. Interesting that. This is all spoken like a true person who has never played mafia with me before. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/628 "2017-01-27T19:24:42Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I like Enderw24 as a suspect too, my vote was on Prof.P. for similar reasons, but my suspicions of Prof P outweighed those of Enderw24. I’m beginning to doubt those suspicions on Prof P. I’d be willing to consider Enderw24 for Lynch as the game advances pending more info. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Me too that is why I voted him I’m dealing with the extreme pain and fever associated with an abcessed tooth. I’m now on antibiotics so hopefully I will be feeling better soon. Also no longer on the narcotic pills. I need to go back through day 2 but come on exactly 4 posts in each section of the thread and always seems to be around at end of day. I’m not buying it Town NEEDS to find scum today. Lynching me doesn’t bring you any closer to towns wincon. However I’m still willing to.die to put the Lutha in a better position. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/629 "2017-01-27T19:27:11Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I’m very seriously confused by this. I’m reacting in real time and in my memory I’ve been consistently FOR his lynch today. And against him being modkilled, because we already had one modkill of town today. > > My opinion on this changed when he started this act over the past two hours. I think anyone who behaves like that should be modkilled as policy. And since we were just told that’s not happening today, I think he should be lynched. > > If you’re saying I agreed he should be modkilled before all of this, I genuinely don’t remember it, but my guess would be that this was well before Red Skeezix was modkilled. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro It probably was before the modkill. I can’t remember either… also playing in real time right now. I understand you now. We are on the same page. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/630 "2017-01-27T19:28:01Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > This post makes my spidey-sense buzz. Loudly. Too loudly. Reason? Defense of assorted list of players with no reason given. > > **Vote Thing Fish** What about the others who posted their truthiness lists? ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/631 "2017-01-27T19:32:00Z")
I’m out… this goes beyond game logic. This has ceases being mafia and has turned into the Idle show. I’m happy with my participation toDay and with the leans/suspicions I have provided town to assess my alignment by… I will not feed Idle’s need for attention. I’m happy with my vote for now and will consider all the facts of the aftermath following his reveal. I’ve got better things to do than to continue reading nonsense and superior lectures. I’ll be back on Saturday night/ Sunday morning to check on things, until then I need to get away from all of this and clear my head. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/632 "2017-01-27T19:37:52Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > You know what? I change my mind. I don’t want to be modkilled, just to piss you off. > > I think I’ll start playing. 🙂 **unvote Toejam** although I still think he is scummy as all get out. **vote Idle Thoughts** I was going to let this go until you posted the above. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/633 "2017-01-27T19:38:02Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I’m happy with my vote for now and **will consider all the facts of the aftermath following his reveal.** Bolding mine. I’d like to believe this would be the case, but it probably won’t be. Next game you’ll probably think I’m suspicious YET again, based on no or weak reasoning, and vote for me even though I’m Town in that game too. This will be twice now you’ve voted for me SO SURE I must be scum, when–in fact–I’m town. I’m sure it’ll be three for three someday. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/634 "2017-01-27T19:38:53Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > This is all spoken like a true person who has never played mafia with me before. She has never played before, so good guess. That being said, I think I need a bit of a breather, too. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/635 "2017-01-27T19:40:16Z")
You know what’s funny, though? I was SO sure you were actually one of the ones who was strongly Town, Paul…because you were one of the lone hold outs in regards to voting for me… but then you go and do it anyway as soon as I come back and post again, which just boggles my mind. So even though I still have a town read on you, it’s much, much more unsure and weak than as strong as it was before your vote for me. Before your vote, you were actually making sense for once in all of your posts. I think you’re letting your past irritation of me color your thoughts into misguided ones. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/636 "2017-01-27T19:41:28Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > **unvote Toejam** although I still think he is scummy as all get out. > > **vote Idle Thoughts** I was going to let this go until you posted the above. Well, in my SLIGHT defense, I did make a post recently (not sure if you reached it yet) where I express regret at saying that. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/637 "2017-01-27T19:50:52Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Hey, **Plum**! > > Regarding your request for an overview of voters who switched off of brewha, Crys or ToeJam yesterday — the most important statement is a quote from LightFoot in Post 1055: > > brewha revealed he had a switch in post 211. For the next few hundred posts no one voted for him except bufftabby (373), who viewed him as possible Scum trying to find the Vig. tabby’s vote only lasted until Post 417. > > It isn’t until Post 538, when Chronos revealed that brewha lied that the bandwagon begins on brewha. All of them give either no reason or the reason that he lied. The reason for the votes on Crys, when given, were for her admitting to be 3P. Interest in Crys was never as big as interest in brewha. > > Then in 909 Biotop started the vote on recently returned ToeJam. Biotop, sachertorte, raventhief and Hooker all changed their votes to ToeJam from brewha. Paul, Capt. Klutz and Sunny Daze changed their votes to ToeJam from Crys. There were some other votes onto ToeJam at the end, which, if it had continued, might have saved brewha. > > Since brewha has been revealed as Town, there’s not much cause for suspicion, as far as I can see. Hey Prof. thanks for the help! My request was a bit more specific, though. One of the key things I wanted to know was if there was a dropoff in general casemaking in the latter half of Day 2. Did you notice anything like that while rereading? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/638 "2017-01-27T19:51:12Z")
Ugggggg.Is anybody having fun here? I can certainly see wanting to vote for Idle, but his behavior is just so weird that I’m not sure it’s alignment indicative. If I had to guess, Toejam is probably lying scum, but the real doc shouldn’t counterclaim until we’re much closer to endgame; most likely the real doc will get killed in the course of events and then we can lynch ToeJam. Obviously he is off limits for voting until then. Prof I think is probably just Town getting heat for playing poorly, but he did vote for brewha, so I think for Today I’d prefer to lynch him over Idle. And although I’m not too moved by the theory that Idle is trying to protect him, if you believe that it would be more logical to vote for Prof and adjust your suspicion of Idle based on the flip. I did a reread on **Khameleon**. I don’t have time to do a full WoW right now (not that it would take long, his first post Today just took him all the way up to 13 posts), but it’s almost all fluff and discussion of game mechanics. He didn’t vote Day One and voted for Brewha Day Two. So, I’ll try to get some traction going on someone I think is scummier than either of the two current front-runners: vote Khameleon ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/639 "2017-01-27T19:56:55Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Hey Prof. thanks for the help! My request was a bit more specific, though. One of the key things I wanted to know was if there was a dropoff in general casemaking in the latter half of Day 2. Did you notice anything like that while rereading? Oh, yeah! Nobody made much of any case on anyone, which is one reason for LightFoot’s request. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/640 "2017-01-27T19:58:00Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I’m out… this goes beyond game logic. This has ceases being mafia and has turned into the Idle show. I’m happy with my participation toDay and with the leans/suspicions I have provided town to assess my alignment by… I will not feed Idle’s need for attention. I’m happy with my vote for now and will consider all the facts of the aftermath following his reveal. I’ve got better things to do than to continue reading nonsense and superior lectures. I’ll be back on Saturday night/ Sunday morning to check on things, until then I need to get away from all of this and clear my head. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk I agree with you, \*\*paul \*\*. The air is toxic right now and not conducive to good/fun play. Time to step back and let the cloud pass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=33)