# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/641 "2017-01-27T20:03:12Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Ugggggg.Is anybody having fun here? No, not at the moment… > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Oh, yeah! Nobody made much of any case on anyone, which is one reason for LightFoot’s request. Ok, thanks. Do you remember any specifics, or was it more or less completely dead in general? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/642 "2017-01-27T20:06:26Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Will will reconsider at Night. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\*No modkills on the docket right now. > > Idle, please be a bit less abrasive. Perhaps that is the wrong word, but it does seem like your behavior is rubbing people the wrong way.\*\* **Which is it? No mod-kill or reconsidering at night?** ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/643 "2017-01-27T20:09:59Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Oh, yeah! Nobody made much of any case on anyone, which is one reason for LightFoot’s request. Not sure what you are referring to? ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/644 "2017-01-27T20:18:46Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I can’t believe you’d actually try to take the unfair, easy way out, Oh yeah, modkill him. Because if he’s scum…then hey! Free modkill of a scum! Woohoo! > And if he’s not scum, then it saves us from a mislynch of a town player. Woohoo for free/second chances! > Yeah, that’s the crap way. Since when do players ask for backhanded cheating ways like that? Sorry, no modkill for me any more. You’re just gonna have to MISLYNCH me and like it. > > Course, you’re free to NOT vote for me too, if you’re THAT unsure that I really may be telling the truth. Heaven forbid THAT ever cross your mind, **Johnny Bravo!** As others have said, this is nonsense > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > That’s not how the game is played, though. I only offered it up as “choose any of the available options”. But now that I see people are actually wanting to take the easy way out, I changed my mind. > > How the game is played is this: You lynch who you think is REALLY scum and if you happen to be wrong and mislynch a townsperson. OOPS! OH well! Try again next time! No free passes to remove a highly suspicious member so you can take a free turn. If you didn’t want us to choose why did you post in thread? You could have quietly sent a pm to the mods with your request and you would have been subbed or modkilled. You didn’t flip out until NAF indicated his willingness to mod-kill you imediately. > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Well, allow me to clue you in to how things are: Town is my team…and the only reason people started voting for me today is “A durrr…Idle Thoughts has been non active!” > It couldn’t actually be because, you know, **I’M BUSY**. No, it must mean it’s because I’m scum. > Extremely stupid and weak reasoning. Many people even admit that their vote on me is based on metagaming. Well, you’ll soon see how THAT turns out for ya. Many people are busy and come in and state that fact and they are not up for lynch. Why did you not take that route vs the outlandish method you chose? > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Well, **I AM PLAYING NOW** , so what’s your reason for still wanting to lynch me? > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Since many people have voted for me for “meta reasons” as they claim, here’s some meta-ing of my own: > > _ **Raise your hand if you’ve ever been in a game where people vote for Idle Thoughts just because they get angry/annoyed/irritated with him and accuse him of being/playing anti-town regardless of what side he may be on…and yet he turns out to be Town.** _ > > Yeah, that’s what I thought. > It’s happened before (many times), it’s happening now, it will no doubt happen again beyond this. I have a better suggestion: Raise your hand if you’ve played in a game with IDLE where he used extra large font while accusing town of abusing him and repeatedly saying how much he didn’t want to play and he turned out to be scum. \*\*sinjin \*\*Raises her hand I don’t remember the game but it caused me to stop playing for awhile. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/645 "2017-01-27T20:21:22Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I’m very seriously confused by this. I’m reacting in real time and in my memory I’ve been consistently FOR his lynch today. And against him being modkilled, because we already had one modkill of town today. You don’t see any contradiction in these two sentences? You;re happy to lynch him, indicating you think he’s scum, but don’t want him being modkilled, because modkilling town is bad? So he’s Schroedinger’s Idle, simultaneously town and scum until you open the box? And exactly what I said would happen has done so. Idle comes in, makes a lot of noise, and the Day shuts down. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/646 "2017-01-27T20:22:28Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > You didn’t flip out until NAF indicated his willingness to mod-kill you imediately. Wrong. It was JohnnyBravo’s post that I be modkilled just so everyone can have a second chance at lynching scum that got me going. > [@sinjin](#): > > Many people are busy and come in and state that fact and they are not up for lynch. Why did you not take that route vs the outlandish method you chose? I don’t see anything outlandish with the way I did anything. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/647 "2017-01-27T20:23:15Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > **Which is it? No mod-kill or reconsidering at night?** Well it sort of depends on how the Day goes doesn’t it. The reconsideration potential is due to the fact that we can’t predict what is going to happen next. As it is no one is getting killed. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/648 "2017-01-27T20:27:15Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > But this game isn’t working correctly. Mainly due to the sheer number of players who can’t keep up. I don’t blame them, but if they can’t play then either they need to be removed, or the game is broken. To ask the rest of us to play as we normally would while dealing with a huge pool of lurkers is absurd. We can’t assess them and lynching them requires that we not lynch people who have been playing. You want this game to continue, you can’t expect town to either lynch all the lurkers or leave them to end game, and you can’t expect scum to use their kill on players that are no threat to them. And if LUTHA exists, it severely incentivizes them to not participate and just post once a cycle to prevent modkill. All of which adds up to a broken game IMO. If we can’t dismiss non participants and let them be removed from the game, then this is no longer mafia, this is some bastardized version that requires town to remove the nonplayers before hunting scum or end up at end game with a bunch of scum and a bunch of people not playing. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk If you have a genuine complaint about how the game is being run, you may, as always, take it up outside of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/649 "2017-01-27T20:30:23Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Is the game supposed to hold so that we Lynch inactive players for some sort of integrity? Why aren’t the scum killing absent players to maintain game integrity? > Scum are killing _active_ players. I don’t see scum being required to rectify the problem of inactive players. Requiring Town to Lynch inactive players is, if not ‘unfair’ then ‘silly.’ An ideal game, one that is balanced, is also solvable. Or potentially solvable. But to solve it, Town powers need to be utilized, information needs to be shared, and discussions need to happen. None of that occurs with lurking players. Scum, on the other hand, have no real need to solve anything. They know who their teammates are. Everyone else is the enemy. These are two very opposite goals from one another. The solutions are also, often, opposite as well. Why would scum kill lurkers? What harm are they causing? What problems are they solving? If this thread just sat empty until Sunday afternoon when it was time to vote, that would suit scum just dandily. Now, I don’t know anyone who is advocating killing a specific lurker. But, if no suitable candidate pops up, what harm does offing a lurker do? In the absolute worst case scenario, you killed a Power Town role. That person wasn’t contributing to the game anyway and therefore wouldn’t have gotten us to the end goal of solving the game. > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I like Enderw24 as a suspect too, my vote was on Prof.P. for similar reasons, but my suspicions of Prof P outweighed those of Enderw24. I’m beginning to doubt those suspicions on Prof P. I’d be willing to consider Enderw24 for Lynch as the game advances pending more info. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk I’m Town and I’ve gotten a Townie vibe off you too, so I think you’d be better off casting your vote elsewhere. So I’ll wait until you actually cast a vote for me to see what your objections are and then I can respond. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/650 "2017-01-27T20:31:36Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I’m very seriously confused by this. I’m reacting in real time and in my memory I’ve been consistently FOR his lynch today. And against him being modkilled, because we already had one modkill of town today. If it turns out he’s town, will you, in retrospect, still be happy with using our lynch on him? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/651 "2017-01-27T20:33:34Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > If you have a genuine complaint about how the game is being run, you may, as always, take it up outside of the game. I think our mods are doing a great job. I’d like a few sharpened sticks for many of the players, including me! ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/652 "2017-01-27T20:38:41Z")
[oog]I also think the mods are doing a good job, for what it’s worth.[/oog] ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/653 "2017-01-27T20:39:04Z")
Oh, you meant the mods of this **GAME.** ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/654 "2017-01-27T20:39:34Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > You don’t see any contradiction in these two sentences? You;re happy to lynch him, indicating you think he’s scum, but don’t want him being modkilled, because modkilling town is bad? So he’s Schroedinger’s Idle, simultaneously town and scum until you open the box? > > And exactly what I said would happen has done so. Idle comes in, makes a lot of noise, and the Day shuts down. I think he’s scum. I don’t know he’s scum. The problem is that I HAVE seen Idle pull all of this as town. So he may be town and I wasn’t thrilled with the potential of yet another extra town death if he is. Yeah, I actually think Schroedinger’s cat is a fairly good metaphor because we won’t know if he’s town or scum until his reveal. The problem with your reasoning is that you’re not addressing that most players don’t know if he’s town or scum. The only way I could know that is if I’m his teammate. If I’m his scum teammate then I wouldn’t be arguing for his lynch, I’d be arguing for his modkill if he was going to die anyway, because I would still want a lynch that benefitted me. Unless you think Idle, Prof. P. and I are all scum teammates and I’m arguing for Idle’s lynch in favor of Prof. P’s. That’s not now I play scum but I guess I can see why you would think that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/655 "2017-01-27T20:39:35Z")
_everyone laughs and appreciates how Idle lightened things up and lessened the tension around here a bit_ ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/656 "2017-01-27T20:43:50Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > MHaye is on my list of suspects. I put his name out there because he’s just the sort of candidate that players like LightFoot enjoy voting for: not a lot of posts, and most of it fluff. > > I still don’t buy the Cult claim, either. That’s a very, what’s the word I want to use… ‘scummy’ is too bland and catch-all, ‘weaselly?’ Yes. That’s quite weaselly of you. For those missing the context, Prof. P threw out the name MHaye and expected others to read up on him, offering no analysis of his own. I’m way more Townie than you, dude. **vote Prof. P** I’m pro-killing Idle Thoughts too, by the way, but I think he deserves a mod-kill. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/657 "2017-01-27T21:02:39Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > If it turns out he’s town, will you, in retrospect, still be happy with using our lynch on him? I don’t understand the question. If it turns out he’s town and is mislynched it’s better than him being modkilled as town and someone else being mislynched too. The prime lynch candidate is Prof. P and I strongly think he’s town now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/658 "2017-01-27T21:06:03Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > **Which is it? No mod-kill or reconsidering at night?** **We have conferred. No mod-kills on the docket right now.** > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > [oog]I also think the mods are doing a good job, for what it’s worth.[/oog] **Thanks.** > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Oh, you meant the mods of this **GAME.** **Hey!** :mad: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/659 "2017-01-27T21:11:32Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I agree with this. That’s why I said I really didn’t think the vig would be targeting any cultists. It seemed there was a lot of people not considering that following Brewha’s death the vig is pretty much out of commission. The question is, we’re those people playing dumb because they know who has the other batswitch or did they not connect the dots? > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk > [@sachertorte](#): > > I’m not sure I agree that you are not building cases against brewha voters. You may not be vocally building a case, but I thought there was a post that pondered whether brewha voters were aware of the implications of what would happen if brewha was telling the truth. I haven’t been taking detailed notes, because, you know, lazy. > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > That post was not put forward by me. I was voting Brewha. If anything it would have been a case against me. > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Let’s see, what was it we were supposed to do with liars? $ ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/660 "2017-01-27T21:20:25Z")
Don’t have my notes handy & killing time on phone, but I know many people cited Prof voting for a cultist as a major reason for voting for him. I’m OK with lynching him for not scum hunting and voting for brewha; his brief advocacy of a bad idea isn’t such a huge deal IMO. But I do wonder why votes aren’t moving off him and onto one of the two players CURRENTLY voting for a cultist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=34)