# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/661 "2017-01-27T21:20:59Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I think he’s scum. I don’t know he’s scum. The problem is that I HAVE seen Idle pull all of this as town. So he may be town and I wasn’t thrilled with the potential of yet another extra town death if he is. But you’re totally ok with lynching him as Town? > [@](#): > > Yeah, I actually think Schroedinger’s cat is a fairly good metaphor because we won’t know if he’s town or scum until his reveal. > > The problem with your reasoning is that you’re not addressing that most players don’t know if he’s town or scum. The only way I could know that is if I’m his teammate. If I’m his scum teammate then I wouldn’t be arguing for his lynch, I’d be arguing for his modkill if he was going to die anyway, because I would still want a lynch that benefitted me. I’m not addressing that because it’s an obvious and inherent part of the game. It’s like we’re talking about baseball and you chide me for failing to bring up that 3 strikes is an out. Obviously the only people who know for a fact his alignment are himself, the mods, spoilered observers, and any potential scum mates/mason buddies he may or may not have. Again, this doesn’t need to be stated every single time. Further, I disagree strongly that if you were scum you’d rather he was modkilled rather than lynched. A modkill means we stop talking about him, and we start focusing on other things, with whatever information comes from his flip. This is bad for scum. However, if he derails conversation and then gets lynched, well too bad he’s dead, but hey at least the Day got wasted! > [@](#): > > Unless you think Idle, Prof. P. and I are all scum teammates and I’m arguing for Idle’s lynch in favor of Prof. P’s. That’s not now I play scum but I guess I can see why you would think that. I do not recall ever playing a game with you, so no I don’t have any idea how you are as scum. But yes, I can very easily see you, Prof P and Idle as scummates. I’m reasonably sure at this point that Idle’s antics are to protect Prof P, and you being a part of that isn’t out of the question either. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/662 "2017-01-27T21:21:28Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Don’t have my notes handy & killing time on phone, but I know many people cited Prof voting for a cultist as a major reason for voting for him. I’m OK with lynching him for not scum hunting and voting for brewha; his brief advocacy of a bad idea isn’t such a huge deal IMO. But I do wonder why votes aren’t moving off him and onto one of the two players CURRENTLY voting for a cultist. My best guess at the answer to this is that he’s town. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/663 "2017-01-27T21:27:03Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > But you’re totally ok with lynching him as Town? > > I’m not addressing that because it’s an obvious and inherent part of the game. It’s like we’re talking about baseball and you chide me for failing to bring up that 3 strikes is an out. Obviously the only people who know for a fact his alignment are himself, the mods, spoilered observers, and any potential scum mates/mason buddies he may or may not have. Again, this doesn’t need to be stated every single time. > > Further, I disagree strongly that if you were scum you’d rather he was modkilled rather than lynched. A modkill means we stop talking about him, and we start focusing on other things, with whatever information comes from his flip. This is bad for scum. However, if he derails conversation and then gets lynched, well too bad he’s dead, but hey at least the Day got wasted! > > I do not recall ever playing a game with you, so no I don’t have any idea how you are as scum. But yes, I can very easily see you, Prof P and Idle as scummates. I’m reasonably sure at this point that Idle’s antics are to protect Prof P, and you being a part of that isn’t out of the question either. I would rather lynch him as town than modkill him as town because the lynch will have a voting record. The modkill is a mechanic. I’m not going to argue with you over this. I’m town and I actually think you are too from his argument, so it’s just adding to the noise. I see your point in the paragraph beginning with Further. I see why you think that. However, I’m not scum so I wasn’t thinking that way. And now I just want him dead because I think he’s ruining the game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/664 "2017-01-27T21:28:49Z")
Sorry, typo in the previous post, it should say that I now think you’re town from THIS argument, not his. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/665 "2017-01-27T21:30:02Z")
> [@Mafia Reunion - Day Two](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/1039): > > I’m not caught up, but I see ToeJam is back. Since he won’t be mod killed: > [@nesta](#): > > I’m tempted to vote **ToeJam** , but he asked for justification, and I’d like to review and give it to him before an official vote. Also, even though I think he’s scum, there are 13 others out there, so I’m trying not to focus on just him. It’s water under the bridge now, but why was a quick drive-by vote fine yesterDay but toDay you owe him some justification?Nesta - lots of neutral, helpful or fluffy posts. D1#114 Hi, monkgate, pros & cons of countering a false claiming scum D1#116 Hi Roosh! D1#122 Links to external player spreadsheet D1#140 Re: ToeJam’s response to Pleo’s comments on scum coordination D1#1187 Caught up, votes-unvotes Pleo - something feels off, then votes Lakai as the best lynch D1#1188 Fluff re:cheese D2#343 Against Batman switch plan, FOS Chronos, discusses toggle D2#346 More switch talk, toggle or series, wants to help brewha decide D2#347 Vig is compulsory D2#401 More switch talk, suspects brewha is town, hopes didn’t ruin plan D2#414 Fluff re:ads D2#439 Fluff re:ads D2#473 Big post re: Chonos, finds his plan suspicious, not enough for avote D2#477 NETA D2#1039 Not caught up, votes Toejam, since he won’t be modkilled? D3#80 Comments on Sario, suspects used up protections D3#103 Explains reason for vote, ToeJam was viable candidate and had best chance of being lynched, found him scummy D1 (fake derpclear?), not willing to vote again without justification!@Cookies, what’s up? Need to be yanked out again? @Hawkeyeop, how’s that close look going for you? > [@Enderw24](#): > > I still know you’re lying. And I’m (right now) not gonna bother doing anything about it. I know you’ve explained the know bit, but if she’s lying, is she lying scum or lying 3rd party? > [@raventhief](#): > > What is the difference between lurky and non-participatory? Planning strategies for the next game already? > [@Pleonast](#): > > **Thing Fish** said “It reads to me like you could be scum advising your teammates on how to play and/or hinting to them that you are that seventh guy who didn’t show up to chat”. That implicitly states that Scum do not learn the identity of all their teammates on their secret board. Otherwise, why would a Scum player need to hint they were the seventh guy who didn’t show up to chat? I don’t get it. He suspected you were scum avoiding the scum boards but still are signalling that you were on their team. You are suggesting that scum would know that you are on their team from the scum boards, even if you never posted, and Thing Fish is displaying PIS by thinking scum wouldn’t necessarily know and only a scumbag would know for sure whether or not the boards contained the list of all members of the scum team, is that the case? Does it not apply both ways? > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Still, **Hal Briston** has four posts all game, even less than\*\* Idle\*\*, and he hasn’t voted, whereas **Idle** voted once. I don’t see why one would vote for any other lurker over **Hal.** Does Hal have a history of giving up when given a scum role? > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Anyone looking for a lynch candidate who hasn’t posted much and has posted mainly fluff (even more than I) might want to take a look at **MHaye**. By definition that would be you. From memory, MHaye is a low volume poster who tends to arrive close to EoD and place a well reasoned, often one-off, vote. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/666 "2017-01-27T21:34:07Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I would rather lynch him as town than modkill him as town because the lynch will have a voting record. The modkill is a mechanic. > > \ > > And now I just want him dead because I think he’s ruining the game. Um, there won’t be a ‘vote record’ on Idle Thoughts, at least not one that will have any meaning. His Lynch is utterly artificial and borne out because he’s ducking the mod-kill. Both are equally ‘mechanical’. It just that one bogs down and grinds the game to a halt and the other doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/667 "2017-01-27T21:38:59Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > And now I just want him dead because I think he’s ruining the game. > > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro > [@sachertorte](#): > > Um, there won’t be a ‘vote record’ on Idle Thoughts, at least not one that will have any meaning. His Lynch is utterly artificial and borne out because he’s ducking the mod-kill. Both are equally ‘mechanical’. It just that one bogs down and grinds the game to a halt and the other doesn’t. These types of standpoints are the most foolish and anti town of all. Basically “I don’t care if the player is Town, I want them gone because I’m not liking how they’re playing”. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/668 "2017-01-27T21:41:03Z")
As much as you want to keep trying to paint it as being truth, **sachertortre** , there is really **no** reason for me to BE modkilled…other than the fact that I requested it earlier. I have, since, changed my mind, however. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/669 "2017-01-27T21:44:42Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Does Hal have a history of giving up when given a scum role? I don’t know where you’re getting this. I honestly can’t remember a time when I was scum and just, didn’t post/went inactive. I also don’t remember a time I subbed out due to being scum…although I know I have both subbed out and been massively inactive a few times when being Town. This being one of those times (for reference in future games) ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/670 "2017-01-27T21:44:53Z")
Guiri, I think I did say above that I respected the meta argument on Idle, though I based that on testimony from others rather than personal experience. But now that Angel has said that she’s seen him act like this as Town, I’m much less enthusiastic. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/671 "2017-01-27T21:45:07Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Not sure what you are referring to? At the EoD2 you posted in 1055: > [@](#): > > I am on record requesting last hour votes why they voted their choice. They were rushed posts with no back-up explanation." I don’t remember seeing anyone responding to your request. ETA: I had "wee " instead of “were”. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/672 "2017-01-27T21:47:33Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Um, there won’t be a ‘vote record’ on Idle Thoughts, at least not one that will have any meaning. His Lynch is utterly artificial and borne out because he’s ducking the mod-kill. Both are equally ‘mechanical’. It just that one bogs down and grinds the game to a halt and the other doesn’t. What’s your motive in continuing to make an issue of this? It’s been settled, he’s not being modkilled. I was explaining my position but I don’t see any further point in discussing this. You want to say I’m wrong? Fine, I’m wrong. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/673 "2017-01-27T21:49:22Z")
Jeez, I go to tokyo for a few days and a shed load of posts to catch up on. Commenting as I go > [@Enderw24](#): > > The problem is that it’s not. What I’m convinced of is that Crys is lying. > > What I’m not convinced of is what to do about it. There’s simply no way for me to figure out WHAT Crys is lying about. Maybe there are only two Cult members and he’s being truthful in his win-con. > Maybe there’s 5 Cult members and the win-con is exclusive and can be stolen from Town. > Maybe something else entirely. > > But here’s what I know: Town’s win condition is to kill off all scum. Period. Game ends there. So lynching someone I believe to be 3rd Party does not help Town get closer to its end goal. Leaving them alive has the possibility of biting Town in the ass later on. But because I don’t know HOW it will bite us in the ass, I’m not sure what to do to play around it. > > As I mentioned before, I haven’t actually read Sach’s claim. I need to do that. Probably before going further in this thread. > > But Crys can be lying even with corroboration because if there are two people on the same team working towards the same goal, of course they’re going to corroborate each other’s stories…even if those stories are completely made up. > > I’m also not arguing with you about the “finding teammates” power or “survival” wincon as possibilities. You’re right. They’re pretty well established win conditions. > > What I’m asking is this: When you have a faction of 7 Mafia and a faction of 7 Wolves, does an additional 5 person third party make sense? That’s not a small number of people. Right now I’m going with the theory that the only reason two people have stepped forward as members of this “cult” is because that’s all there are in this game. > > I also put “cult” in quotations because I ask your experience on this. In most other games, wouldn’t a cult indicate a group that tries to bring players over to their side? But the rules specifically state that alliance switching won’t happen this game. > > I also ask this: if the win condition is truly to just survive to the end…why the need to investigate anyone? Why any power roles whatsoever? > > What if their win condition was something like “ensure the lynching of X number of Town, Wolves, & Mafia.” That would be a reason to need investigation powers. > Anyway, that’s all just food for thought. I want to read Sach’s claim but as i said repeatedly, I don’t think lynching 3rd party advances Town’s goals. So my focus is better served on voting for people I think are scum. I disagree with the whole of this post from ender. At this point in time it makes no difference whether lutha are hostile or not, or whether we know their win con or not - at this time they cannot win - if they could win just now then the whole game is broken. At some point later in the game we do need to establish their position, but at present, going after 3rd parties rather than scum is anti-town. Indeed, if the scum happen to off a cultist, then the matter may get cleared up for us without potentially wasting a lynch - and of course, batman could also clear this up - the fact that he didn’t may suggest a cultist is holding the batman switch. > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Wait, Sario’s dead? He was Town? He had a power role? He committed suicide? > > Ah, pfui! > > I really am about to start a massive re-read and try to seriously play this game now. It will take awhile. Seriously? on day 3? you’re going to do more than your usual lynch the lost post count monologue? > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I have been reading for over two hours. I’ve gone back over N0 and am at Post 1001 on D1. > > Anyone looking for a lynch candidate who hasn’t posted much and has posted mainly fluff (even more than I) might want to take a look at **MHaye**. > > I’m going back to my reading now. So taking the game seriously is just sticking with your lynch the low post count. Your contribution to the game as largely been requoting stuff or fluff or both. d3.259 toejam advocates lynching idle, same meta reasons as Lightfoot and others hve given[spoiler] > [@LightFoot](#): > > \*\* Idle \*\* always claims D1- \*\* Idle \*\* does not like being Scum ever - He has asked for a sub this game AND ( meta sorry) he has been vocal elsewhere online > > I conclude \*\* Idle \*\* Is Not Town [/spoiler] d3.265/6/7 either toejam’s posts seem equally incomprehensible as meeko d3.294 #4 of course scum are looking for the the town power roles, so toejam decides to play a “fake cop” ? “However, Once Day 2 came around, I again started dropping off breadcrumbs to hint that I might be an investigator. –WHY? –Because I wanted to. I felt it would throw some heat off the real cops, give them time to investigate.” - but we had lost the detective and the reporter - tho hopefully the understudy picked one up. Can’t say I got a cop vibe off of toejam’s posts at all. And now he claims doc…still dont understand the town target themselves crap…if someone was seen targeting themselves it would be pretty obvious they would be a self protecting doc. But it is unlikely to be counterclaimed so **unvote toejam** So that moves idle up to the top of my suspicion list, tho it’s for purely metagame reasons [color=blue] **vote: idle** [color] > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Yeah, I’m slow. Today for sure. Back to my note-taking. what notes! your posts are content free and biodegradable. > [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > 1. Scum struggle to come up with more than one or two suspicions. People willing to put up contemporaneous suspicions are slightly more likely to be town IMO. Seriously? you think the mafia or wolves find it difficult to cast suspicion on one or two folk out of the 48 that aren’t on their team? I have a slight lean on x,y,z - indeed posting lists makes it easier for them So after all that re-reading you did, the best you could come up with is a lynch the low poster list, then shoot in the 3rd party pool? I thought we were playing mafia not pin the tail on the donkey. I hereby request that Special Ed put in a guest appearance and post half of wikipedia just to keep the post count up! > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Here’s a little anecdote for all of you: > > Yesterday I visited my pulmonologist to see if my CPAP machine was helping me with my chronic tiredness. (It is.) He informed me that it had to work because it was Mechanical. Yeah, you could hear the capital M. > > And that brought to my mind the fact that, having done the research, I know that (especially with an oversized group such as this) my process of Lynching the Low Count Posters works. Note: I didn’t say Lynch the Lurker. Lurking implies going through the fluff. This is strictly Mechanical. > > You may say you don’t like to play that way. That’s your opinion. My opinion is if it works, and if Town is down 10 players and Scum is down 0, I’m gonna stick to it. > > I have been doing more reading over on MafiaScum. There I found two pieces of advice that encourage me: 1) Town are Idiots. We don’t have the information we desperately need and flail about all ways, hoping to luck into something. 2) Hunt the Scum Team, not just individuals. > > So, on D1 and D2 there isn’t enough Data to really make a good case. This is D3. Here they are: The Mafia and the Wolves are most likely found in these 14 people: > > **Svejk, Cygnus42, Khameleon, Howkeyop, Hal Briston, DiggitCamara, Nanook, > BillMC, Koldanar, MHaye, nesta, Zeriel, Idle Thoughts, Inner Stickler** > > The order is from least-to-highest posters. Yes, I considered people who’ve subbed in for other people. > > So, having said that, my vote goes to: > > vote sachertorte > Not because I think I’m wrong about Scum. It’s because sachertorte and Crys have claimed to be 3P, and harmless LUTHA’s. > > Archangel has said that 3P is always harmful to Town, and, having read through some 20+ games in the last year, I do believe she’s right. Crys offered herself up as a sacrificial proof, but she’s just the Second Deacon. sachertorte is the First. She’s protecting him. > > After we get rid of the 3P’s, then we can concentrate on Scum. And the other possibility is, the Deacons are lying, and are actually Scum hiding as harmless LUTHA’s. In which case, we win. What they are not is Town hiding as 3P’s. > **Plum** , I haven’t forgotten your request. I am now going back to my reading, and will have an answer for that either today or tomorrow, as time permits. Shooting into the 3rd party pool is such a bad strategy - the fact that you continue to push it after others have already stated why it bad makes me highly suspicious of you. d3.351 so svejk didn’t sub in? d3.377 fair comments from Guiri on Toejam’s claim > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Well, it’s easier to hit Scum if you have a 50% chance (this pool of 14) than it is if you only have a 33 1/2% chance (the pool of active players). The 6-7 non scum players, being low posters, aren’t impacting the game as much as most, and aren’t leaving much of a record that can be examined later. 44 players alive, 14 scum - so ~1/3rd of the living are scum. In any random sample of 14 players, you would statistically expect 1/3 of them to be scum But somehow, you had deduced that 50% of the 14 that you have picked are scum. The only way you would know that is if a) you were a cop with a lot of investigations under your belt, or b) you were scum. d3.398 pepper changes vote to idle - self preservation > [@Lakai](#): > > Is there a scenario where Toejam survives? If he is scum making a fake claim, then the other scum faction doesn’t know this and they will try and kill him. If he is town and claiming for real, then he is also dead. > > Poor Toejam. exactly - so he’s now playing lightning rod and the watcher needs to keep an eye on him just in case the scum decide to bump him off. > [@ToeJam](#): > > Because a doctor not using their power is just not pro-town. I already had my plan from N0 to try to attract scum attention, and I was trying to draw out a scum NK anyways. So it’s easy for me to target myself on N1, and I don’t need to read how N1 turns out. I vote myself, and then I request a Sub and let the poor substitute realize what they’re taking over hopefully. so the whole argument is that scum would waste their kills trying to kill him as he self protects..a big pile of stinking wifom > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > If you want to lynch one of the 3P players, please go back to my reasoning about why it’s better for us to lynch Sachertorte. It’s D2#990. It’s still anti-town at this point in time. d3.509 and idle wants out…and the usual idle stuff follows > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I would like to request that Idle’s own request be taken into account and that he be modkilled. If he is vanilla town as he claims, then he’d hurting an already reeling town by encouraging the lynch train against him. Since he apparently came back to the thread to ask (in green) that he be modkilled, I don’t think it’s unfair to ask that he be obliged so that we can use our lynch on somebody else. of course, if he is town, a modkill+mislynch benefits scum. prof’s model sucks, but he’s most likely town as it would be unlikely that scum would try such a move as the modkill will deal with non-particpants for them. so mislynching town, rather than mislynch and two modkills today, would be a better result for town > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I haven’t been trolling anyone. Please tell me how I have done so. you’ve not participated enough in this game for that, but you’ve certainly done it in the past - ie the game with you and pizza where the scum team imploded. > [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Who else thinks \*\*Idle \*\*just swooped in to save one of his scum buddies from getting lynched? That’s really the only reason I can think of for him to do this, as just not posting would have gotten him the result he wanted, but lost 2 for his team. Now we have to waste a lynch on him. yes it could be seen that way ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/674 "2017-01-27T21:53:12Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > You don’t have anything to do with my lean list. You had mentioned earlier in this game and frequently over on Giraffe, that your preferred lynch targets are those who don’t post much and whose few posts contain mostly fluff. I was using you as an example, that’s all. Quite frankly, what came across to me with that post is “Let’s you (Lightfoot) and 'im (MHaye) fight.” All that does is makes me think you know neither Lightfoot nor I are on your side. And (as I mentioned earlier) I am Town-aligned. **Vote Prof Pepperwinkle**. If you, Lightfoot or any other player want to do a WoW on me I’ll be pleased to answer any questions you wish to raise. On another issue, having seen ToeJam’s claim, I’d like to remind people that he has experience playing a limited Doc who protects against one of multiple killing factions. So I can see he might come up with this plan to entice the team he protects against to attack him and fail. (It should be noted that he was prohibited from claiming he could protect against the Shu clan on pain of losing all his powers and becoming Vanilla. So he claimed to hate footwear.) So since he’s got form in bizarre claims, I’m not going to vote for him Today. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/675 "2017-01-27T21:54:04Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I don’t know where you’re getting this\*. I honestly can’t remember a time when I was scum and just, didn’t post/went inactive.\* > > I also don’t remember a time I subbed out due to being scum…although I know I have both subbed out and been massively inactive a few times when being Town. > > This being one of those times (for reference in future games) Sorry for the Metas bit that is exactly what you said you do if you are scum while playing the thing mafia. > [@Odd Things You've Heard Little Kids Say](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odd-things-youve-heard-little-kids-say/64771/61): > > > [@LORD STANLEY'S CUP.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-stanleys-cup/62158/156): > > > > He has subbed out of a game at least once because he was randed Scum- his first post beckoned a Modkill so— take that as it feels > > I don’t want to Metagame too much here, but if I were scum in a game, I’d pretty much just stop playing/posting. Or I’d say “Hey, I’m scum, lynch me”. > > But usually what I do is PM the mod beforehand and ask to be made town and not scum. I HATE playing as scum. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/676 "2017-01-27T22:13:46Z")
And have I said “hey, I’m scum, lynch me”? No, I haven’t…and believe me, if I was scum, I would be saying that right now. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/677 "2017-01-27T22:18:49Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > If you honestly want to lynch the lurker, then you got to look for intentional cases of lurking: A player who is inactive in the thread, but active elsewhere (thus proving they are not just absent from the game or on vacation or something like that). I hate this kind of case, hate it. > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Lakai: seems just as scummy as he did last time, but then he was Town. sigh. Null to slightly scummy, I guess. Lakai v2 has been quite quiet. 5 days between these two posts, as if nothing happened in between - really no opinion?: > [@Mafia Reunion - Day Two](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/982): > > I’m voting **brewha** because I don’t like his explanation for the lie. I don’t believe it was a mistake to lie like that. It was a deliberate lie for some reason and because \*\*brewha \*\*is claiming it’s a mistake I think he is trying to cover up the reason. > > Why do you think it was not totally unreasonable for **brewha** to lie? > > I was suspicious for \*\*Crys \*\*because she claimed to save **brewha** for very odd reasons, which she now claims was a mistake. I believe it was a mistake because I can’t think of any other scenario where a claim to save \*\*brewha \*\*would make sense. > [@Lakai](#): > > Is there a scenario where Toejam survives? If he is scum making a fake claim, then the other scum faction doesn’t know this and they will try and kill him. If he is town and claiming for real, then he is also dead. > > Poor Toejam. > [@snfaulkner](#): > > 1. Koldanar - I think I have him mixed up with Khameleon, needs review. Me too, so much that I’ve deleted all my notes for Koldanar as i was conflating the two. BTW, just Toejam, not a single other scum lean? > [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Why would you do that? My only thought is that you know who your teammates are and you know I’m not one of them. Still wouldn’t explain it though. > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > After we get rid of the 3P’s, then we can concentrate on Scum. And the other possibility is, the Deacons are lying, and are actually Scum hiding as harmless LUTHA’s. In which case, we win. What they are not is Town hiding as 3P’s. I know the whole lynch the lurker then vote the 3rd party craycray has been raised, but this, what exactly is your plan, spend 5 days lynching the 3rd parties and then, once we finish, start looking for scum? Or this: > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I agree with Pleo, it’s one thing to hold claimed third parties in abeyance while we look for scum, it’s something else entirely to recommend putting off looking for scum to lynch claimed third parties. If they’re non-hostile, we do nothing to further our wincon. Svejk??? > [@DiggitCamara](#): > > 1. They hold at least a switch. I am assuming that switches are held by members of opposing factions (to maximize WIFOM). Wouldn’t a reveal of the switch help us see whether or not a living townsperson holds a similar switch? If that counterswitch were discovered, we would know for certain if the third party is hostile, wouldn’t it? “I am assuming”… “for certain”??? > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > 1. It forces scum to take positions on everyone and prevents them from being able to suddenly shift their opinions without reason. It gives town a record to go back to and find contradictions. Sure scum are going to try to falsify their lists to their own benefit, but later in the game it will put them in a sticky situation. This is the big one, having scum take a stance, any stance, restricts them later on. > [@DiggitCamara](#): > > I also believe the cultists’ description is fishy. The fact that they are/were hidden from each other and have the power to find each other might make what happens AFTER they find each other interesting. And not necessarily good for townsfolk. How do you suggest we resolve this? Lynch them all? Lynch one? Investigate? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/678 "2017-01-27T22:30:23Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I hate this kind of case, hate it. > > Lakai v2 has been quite quiet. 5 days between these two posts, as if nothing happened in between - really no opinion?: > > Me too, so much that I’ve deleted all my notes for Koldanar as i was conflating the two. BTW, just Toejam, not a single other scum lean? > > Still wouldn’t explain it though. > > I know the whole lynch the lurker then vote the 3rd party craycray has been raised, but this, what exactly is your plan, spend 5 days lynching the 3rd parties and then, once we finish, start looking for scum? Or this: > > Svejk??? > > “I am assuming”… “for certain”??? > > This is the big one, having scum take a stance, any stance, restricts them later on. > > How do you suggest we resolve this? Lynch them all? Lynch one? Investigate? Guiri, The part that’s addressed to me…it would explain it _to me._ The history is that in the last game I correctly sniffed out two players as scum on Days One and Two, with little explanation of my leans because I was having IRL issues. Paul subbed in for me. And when the game was over he said he was in awe of my town skills and would have to be very wary of me the next time he was scum. So, in this game, if he’s some form of scum, I think he’d be wary of me. It’s one of the major reasons for my suspicion of him. His interactions today make me feel better about him though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/679 "2017-01-27T22:39:23Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > What’s your motive in continuing to make an issue of this? It’s been settled, he’s not being modkilled. I was explaining my position but I don’t see any further point in discussing this. You want to say I’m wrong? Fine, I’m wrong. Motive: I like these games. I hate to see peoples’ efforts being wasted by someone who won’t participate. I hate to see the mods’ efforts thwarted by someone who won’t participate. If someone isn’t going to play, then don’t play. Don’t waste other peoples’ time. He isn’t being mod-killed _right now_. That doesn’t mean he won’t be mod-killed later. Do you think Idle Thoughts is going to play the game? He’s posting, but he isn’t really playing. Do you think he will continue to post Tomorrow? Do you think the mods will countenance simply meeting the minimum requirements per Day long term? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/680 "2017-01-27T22:47:34Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > tl;dr from above: > Because The Wolves can waste a NK on a Cop without realizing he’s self-protecting. This makes sense. > [@ToeJam](#): > > Currently, there’s a lot of people who were gunning for me hard D1 and D2, and voted for me… but as soon as I claimed, they got real quiet and became Pro-Me. How am I possibly pro-you? > [@ToeJam](#): > > But i’ll do you one better. Unlike you smudging me repeated, I’ll give you a **FOS Guiri**. This post of yours didn’t really do much to actually accuse me of things, instead you just point to things, you don’t interpret them, but you just leave them for the readers to think about without context/further explanation. It’s really smudging, and I don’t think you’re the lynch play for toDay… but I do think you’ve been picking up on more of the breadcrumbs than you care to admit, and you’re trying to smear me for the future. **Guiri** and **SunnyDaze** are the last of the initial 4 who started sniffing around me… and so far I’m 2 for 2 on the **StoryTeller Theory of Breadcrumbs** (Scum or Power Roles are more likely looking for breadcrumbs rather than VTs). > J’accuse! :dubious: > -R I voted to lynch you D1 and D2 because I think you are scum and my reaction to your claim was “Bleuggh, yuck, eww.” This is not making a case against you - already been there, it’s vocalizing why I feel you’re full of it but willing to be consider that you are the doc and I’ve been wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=35)