# Mafia Reunion - Day Three

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**Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\
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**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/681 "2017-01-27T23:00:40Z")

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> [@sachertorte](#):
>
> Motive: I like these games. I hate to see peoples’ efforts being wasted by someone who won’t participate. I hate to see the mods’ efforts thwarted by someone who won’t participate. If someone isn’t going to play, then don’t play. Don’t waste other peoples’ time.
> 
> He isn’t being mod-killed _right now_. That doesn’t mean he won’t be mod-killed later. Do you think Idle Thoughts is going to play the game? He’s posting, but he isn’t really playing. Do you think he will continue to post Tomorrow? Do you think the mods will countenance simply meeting the minimum requirements per Day long term?

I agree with your first paragraph. I feel the same way. I stated (in a prior response to Paul) that after Idle’s outburst today, I now think he should be modkilled for the integrity of the game. (I think his conduct is unacceptable and is ruining the day.)

I was against modkill and preferred lynch before his outburst because we just lost a town player through modkill. That’s irrelevant to you, Sachertorte, as a third party. I’m town and it’s not irrelevant to me.

I don’t know if he’s going to play the game or not. He did post a few posts with actual leans in between the outbursts, so maybe he’s trying.

I do think he will continue to post tomorrow out of sheer orneriness now.

The mods came out pretty strongly against mod kill, so yes, I do think they’d countenance it.

I still don’t know why you’re making an issue of this _with me._ I have no control over the situation. And I don’t think the mods are asking for a vote.

In case I’m wrong (and really to end this discussion because I’m almost to the point of wanting to give up on this game if this is what it’s going to be):

**[Color=Green]Mods, with all due respect (you’re doing a tremendous job with a beast of a game), I believe Idle was sufficiently disruptive and abusive to be modkilled from the game.**[/Green]

If you’re trying to argue with me that I should take my vote off of him so that he’ll be modkilled, I’m not going to do that. I think he needs to go and I don’t think the mods are going to do it.

I believe Prof P is town. I believe Toe Jam’s claim.

I would also be willing to vote Boozahol Squid or Ender.

If either of those lynches gain traction from players I trust, I’ll go there.

For now my vote stays.  
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**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/682 "2017-01-27T23:10:06Z")

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Addendum: I’d also be willing to vote Bill or TexCat but I don’t think those trains are going anywhere.  
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**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/683 "2017-01-27T23:17:16Z")

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> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#):
>
> > [@](#):
> >
> > Originally Posted by Captain Klutz  
> > I won’t be voting Toejam for the moment, and Idle Thoughts might be handled by the mods. So
> > 
> > Vote Boozahol Squid
> 
> Any particular reason?

See my earlier post #118

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**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/684 "2017-01-27T23:24:01Z")

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> [@Thing\_Fish](#):
>
> Let’s see, what was it we were supposed to do with liars? $

I think you need to reread those three posts.

In the first one I am talking about people not realizing that the vig is neutered and wouldn’t be killing any cultists. This pertains to after Brewha was revealed to be town.

In the second one, Sachertorte is under the impression that I had made a post pondering if the Brewha voters realized what was at stake if Brewha was telling the truth. Which pertains to D2 and people voting for Brewha before the end of Day.

In the third one I deny making any posts about people who voted for Brewha not realizing what was at risk. I also admit to leaving my vote on Brewha in spite of what was at risk.

How did you somehow twist that around into me lying?

Maybe you should take SNF’s advice and run this kind of thing by your scum mates before posting it. I can’t see how you could have honestly thought that those posts result in me lying. I’m left feeling it was disingenuous and meant to make others suspicious.

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**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/685 "2017-01-27T23:24:31Z")

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> [@LightFoot](#):
>
> it is possible - as yet not known.’
> 
> we don’t need them dead yet, so no reason to advance Scums wincon - at this time and knowing who has the other switch won’t happen unless they volunteer so my tired self is missing your point here

I was under the mistaken belief that she hadn’t revealed who her switch targets. However, since she has a scum-targetting switch, one of the switches is (I believe) held by scum, the other by an opposing party. But we have at least 3 parties and by definition someone stepping up with the other switch is very unlikely.

Forget I said anything.

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**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/686 "2017-01-27T23:42:26Z")

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For the record, I have a town lean on **Brewha** , despite his lie…and a (still) scum lean on **ToeJam** despite his claim.

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**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/687 "2017-01-27T23:50:55Z")

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A few hours ago I really lost my shit. I’ve already sent the mods a PM and apologized. I think I owe everyone else an apology too. Sorry guys. I feel my behavior made a tough situation even less fun. I’ve decided to proceed as I normally would but try not to get sucked into whatever crazy game Idle is playing. I’ve stated my position… I don’t wish to address it or anything regarding Idle further.

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**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2017, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/688 "2017-01-27T23:53:06Z")

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> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#):
>
> For the record, I have a town lean on **Brewha** , despite his lie.

Man, it’s a good thing you gave that to us before we could lyn…oh…

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/689 "2017-01-28T00:07:31Z")

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Hey, **Plum!** Check the Spoiler for the D2 vote record.

Okay, starting off…

Post 538, Chronos declares brewha to be a liar. He confesses to the fact later, and this is where the votes start to pile on: brewha for lying, Crys for claiming 3P, and ToeJam for the troubles he’s had since D1. Most people voting don’t make any case at all, or just echoes the above.

Post 543, Biotop agrees and votes brewha.

Post 556, Boozahol agrees it’s a good case and unvotes Angel and votes brewha.

Post 567, Sunny Daze argues a case against Captain Klutz and votes for him. She then turns right around in 568 and switches her vote to Crys.

The case on the Captain:

> [@](#):
>
> He starts right off by stating that his button is for a scum power. I have 2 issues with this. One is the breadcrumb he has already laid that town would hold scum and scum would hold town. I think he’s playing to that. Second, if a town person had a scum power button why would they ever say so.
> 
> Think about it.
> 
> The button turns off the power. Sure there’s someone else out there with another button that can turn it back on. Sure there are power roles that can futz all the buttons, but the easiest scum path forward at this moment is to kill Captain. No mess, no fuss. Don’t need to worry about what power it is. Have to kill all townies anyway right, if you’re scum? Why not prioritize the guy who has just announced he can ruin your plans?
> 
> Unless you’re scum and you don’t need to worry about it.
> 
> Maybe slip wasn’t the right word, because I did find the earlier breadcrumb when I went back and looked at earlier posting history. I stand by my belief that announcing you have a scum button is hinky as shit.

Post 575, Cookies unvotes Sario and votes brewha.

Post 576, sachertorte votes brewha, probably in defense of Crys.

Post 583, Crys votes for Captain Klutz.

> [@](#):
>
> His wording on his pm was significantly different than mine for the switch.
> 
> I flipped the bodyguard switch last night so if the other switch wasn’t thrown I could have just very well saved someone’s behind at the end of day today. If that isn’t trying to protect towns interest idk what is.

Post 584, Hockey Monkey votes for Crys.

Post 588, Diggit unvotes all, votes for Crys.

Post 595, Angel unvotes Idle, votes for Crys.

Post 597, raventhief unvotes ToeJam “only because it looks like it will be mod-handled”.

Post 621, Hooker unvotes all, votes brewha.

> [@](#):
>
> On switches and their holders:  
> We have three claimants. Brewha was the first to claim, Crys and Captain Klutz followed. Captain and Crys claim scum role switches and have very similar switch PMs. Brewha can push Batman’s buttons.
> 
> I understand the concern for Crys and about third parties, but that role PM is something Mahaloth and/or storyteller would write. (NAF, I don’t know what your solo role PMs read like, so I can’t say.) I don’t think it’s fabricated. It would take more than scooping out a couple of words to change it from win stealing to win sharing. It’s semi-masonic survivors. I’m inclined to let it go for now.
> 
> Of the three switch claimants, there are the fewest issues with Captain’s claim.
> 
> Brewha is the odd one out. They’ve lied about switch information, and their quoted PM doesn’t match the others. The only thing that doesn’t ping me is the fact that brewha was the first to claim a switch. Still, that’s not enough. The other supporting evidence (lie about switches, mismatched PM) is enough to draw a vote.

Post 622, bufftabby votes brewha.

Post 633, TexCat unvotes BillMc, votes snfaulker after SNF claimed that a message he had was plagues with autocorrections. TexCat suspected it might be a coded message to Crys.

Post 638, Drain Bead unvotes BillMc, votes brewha.

Post 639, TexCat unvotes snfaulkner, votes Crys after deciding SNF’s message doesn’t really look coded after all.

Post 640, Capt. Klutz votes Crys.

Post 641, snfaulkner unvotes Diggit, votes Crys.

Post 646. raventhief votes brewha.

Post 663, Hoopy Frood unvotes jsgoddess, votes Hockey Monkey. It’s a fairly long post, so you’ll probably want to read it in its entirety. If anything, this seems the kind of thing you were wondering about.

Post 703, Paul votes brewha.

Post 716, Khameleon votes brewha. He also discusses Crys vs. Captain Klutz.

Post 720, Lakai votes brewha.

Post 722, Hooker votes brewha.

Post 726, Meeko unvotes sachertorte, votes brewha.

Post 730, ToeJam returns, and votes brewha.

Post 743, Crys votes brewha, speculates he may be the Consigliere.

Post 767, Johnny Bravo unvotes all, votes brewha.

Post 794, Prof. P. unvotes Sario, votes brewha.

Post 795, jsgoddess votes Crys. This is another lengthy read you should check.

Post 803, Hawkeyeop votes Crys.

Post 806, brewha votes sachertorte.

> [@](#):
>
> He was the most agressively opposed to my claim - before my inconsistent statement was pointed out. Look at him seriously as scum
> 
> As for the rest of my voters - look at those who simply claim I’m a liar and need to be lynched. The ones that don’t bother analyzing my motivations and are simply jumping on a juicy bandwagon - those are the opportunist scum.
> 
> I’m really sorry I messed up. But, I OK with a lynch. My claim was for several reasons.
> 
> 1. I needed to dispell the rumor that town power switches were held by scum - done
> 2. I wanted to find out what the switch mechanic was - serial, parrallel, or a toggle - done.
> 3. I wanted to know if the news of switch possession was announced at ones death - also done.
> 
> It would have been nice to prove all that without dying, but I guess you can’t make an omelette without scrambling some eggs.
> 
> And, since I am just a vanilla town - I dont’ mind getting lynched to get some good info out to the rest of the town. Just a pawn hoping the King will get the job done.
> 
> But, this is going to be what? 6 straight townie deaths? When you see I flip town, get your shit together, analyze those voting me and saying my claim was a bad idea, and stop killing townies.
> 
> I still wanna win this thing.

Post 812, Guiri unvotes all, votes snfaulkner, “For these posts where he believes Crys and her claim but is voting her because he’s not sure how we can ensure she votes with town:”.

Post 860, Zeriel unvotes Paul, votes Crys.

Post 909, Biotop unvotes brewha, votes ToeJam.

> [@](#):
>
> I am having buyer’s remorse for my brewha vote, but changing it puts crys75 as the next option, and I don’t like that either. Between the two I’d rather have liar brewha be lynched. Yet I am worried that if brewha is telling the truth about the Batman switch, then some other player (very possibly not Town) with the opposing Batman switch will going forward control Batman and the vig kill.
> 
> The whole LUTHA thing does not need to be resolved right now. Many of the questions surrounding Crys and her claim can probably be blamed on meds. And I really doubt the LUTHA thing is a Scum ploy, despite the apparent hint of “leave us the hell alone” in the game color. So why bother with her?
> 
> brewha’s switch claim as some sort of Scum team gambit is a possibility. But that seems unlikely the more I think about it. A single player screwing up makes so much more sense.
> 
> It feels like it is almost too late to do anything now. We can’t even get a number of our players to vote for anyone at all. Grr. And I won’t be around at EOD Sunday due to work. More grr.
> 
> Oh well, let’s give it a shot anyway.
> 
> unvote brewha
> 
> Vote Toejam
> 
> Did anyone buy his “Oh golly I was almost lynched what a surprise” post? I didn’t.

Post 913, sachertorte unvotes brewha, votes ToeJam. This is the post where he also claims to be a 3P, allied with Crys.

Post 947, BillMc votes brewha. He considers voting Crys, but thinks her the lesser of two evils.

Post 950, Capt. Klutz unvotes Crys, votes ToeJam.

Post 956, Total Lost votes brewha.

Post 959, Scathach votes Crys.

Post 976, jsgoddess unvotes Crys, votes Pleonast.

> [@](#):
>
> I said in my earlier post that I couldn’t remember exactly what Pleonast had done, so I went back and took a look. I haven’t written the post out, but I think I feel okay about
> 
> Vote Pleonast.
> 
> His posts on talking about scum powers, his interactions with Normal Phase, the scum board conversations posts, and (weakly) the near lurking all add up to hinkiness for me.

Post 988, Hooker unvotes all, votes ToeJam.

Post 991, Sunny Daze unvotes Crys to vote ToeJam.

Post 995, Guiri unvotes all, votes ToeJam, saying snfaulkner isn’t going anywhere.

Post 1000, Thing Fish unvotes Pleonast, votes ToeJam.

Post 1002, raventhief unvotes all, votes ToeJam.

Post 1023, Sunny Daze unvotes all, votes ToeJam.

Post 1033, Inner Stickler votes brewha.

Post 1036, MHaye votes ToeJam.

I hope that is more helpful.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/690 "2017-01-28T00:10:10Z")

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So, guys and gals, when I die and flip Town, if you don’t want to lynch the lurker, maybe you could listen to Angel?

Thank you very much.

Off to see if there’s some way to save Town another mislynch (me).

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**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\
**Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/691 "2017-01-28T00:10:22Z")

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> [@DiggitCamara](#):
>
> This post makes my spidey-sense buzz. Loudly. Too loudly. Reason? Defense of assorted list of players with no reason given.
> 
> **Vote Thing Fish**

I must have some kind of color dislexia.

**Vote Thing Fish**

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/692 "2017-01-28T00:20:55Z")

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Having read more on the decision not to pursue the 3P Cult, I’ve come to the conclusion you’re putting way too much stock on Scum killing the 3P.

It’s **sachertorte** , here. I’ve played with him before. I know he’s one of the most cunning players I’ve played with.

And, since it looks like the bandwagon on me has become a freight train, anyway, I’m voting who I think is the scummiest.

**Unvote Idle Thoughts**

(and welcome back!)

**Vote sachertorte.**

The Cult is a menace I tell ya! A menace!

(Not PIS, I’m guessing.)

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**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\
**Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/693 "2017-01-28T00:21:50Z")

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> [@GuiriEnEspana](#):
>
> (snip)  
> How do you suggest we resolve this? Lynch them all? Lynch one? Investigate?

Ideally? I would like for one of them to die, whether by lynch or UBatmanning or whatever, just to see what the mods reveal about them. An investigation wouldn’t do much help, as far as I can tell, since the result would simply be “Third Party” (best case scenario).

Now that I think about it… What if wolves or scum had decided to “declare” themselves as third party? It would be risky, but might deter the opposing faction from using their actions against them. Could that work?

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/694 "2017-01-28T00:23:24Z")

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> [@DiggitCamara](#):
>
> Ideally? I would like for one of them to die, whether by lynch or UBatmanning or whatever, just to see what the mods reveal about them. An investigation wouldn’t do much help, as far as I can tell, since the result would simply be “Third Party” (best case scenario).
> 
> Now that I think about it… What if wolves or scum had decided to “declare” themselves as third party? It would be risky, but might deter the opposing faction from using their actions against them. Could that work?

Guiri mentioned the possibility of LUTHA being Wolves yesterday. I think it quite possible.

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**Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/695 "2017-01-28T00:26:36Z")

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> [@sinjin](#):
>
> What about the others who posted their truthiness lists?

This quote pings me so strongly because it lists supposed townie folk. I never have understood why anyone would actually trust anyone else implicitly and I constantly look for players who declare someone else to be townsfolk.

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**Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/696 "2017-01-28T00:31:58Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
>
> Hey, **Plum!** Check the Spoiler for the D2 vote record.
> 
> Okay, starting off…
> 
> Post 538, Chronos declares brewha to be a liar. He confesses to the fact later, and this is where the votes start to pile on: brewha for lying, Crys for claiming 3P, and ToeJam for the troubles he’s had since D1. Most people voting don’t make any case at all, or just echoes the above.
> 
> Post 543, Biotop agrees and votes brewha.
> 
> Post 556, Boozahol agrees it’s a good case and unvotes Angel and votes brewha.
> 
> Post 567, Sunny Daze argues a case against Captain Klutz and votes for him. She then turns right around in 568 and switches her vote to Crys.
> 
> The case on the Captain:
> 
> Post 575, Cookies unvotes Sario and votes brewha.
> 
> Post 576, sachertorte votes brewha, probably in defense of Crys.
> 
> Post 583, Crys votes for Captain Klutz.
> 
> Post 584, Hockey Monkey votes for Crys.
> 
> Post 588, Diggit unvotes all, votes for Crys.
> 
> Post 595, Angel unvotes Idle, votes for Crys.
> 
> Post 597, raventhief unvotes ToeJam “only because it looks like it will be mod-handled”.
> 
> Post 621, Hooker unvotes all, votes brewha.
> 
> Post 622, bufftabby votes brewha.
> 
> Post 633, TexCat unvotes BillMc, votes snfaulker after SNF claimed that a message he had was plagues with autocorrections. TexCat suspected it might be a coded message to Crys.
> 
> Post 638, Drain Bead unvotes BillMc, votes brewha.
> 
> Post 639, TexCat unvotes snfaulkner, votes Crys after deciding SNF’s message doesn’t really look coded after all.
> 
> Post 640, Capt. Klutz votes Crys.
> 
> Post 641, snfaulkner unvotes Diggit, votes Crys.
> 
> Post 646. raventhief votes brewha.
> 
> Post 663, Hoopy Frood unvotes jsgoddess, votes Hockey Monkey. It’s a fairly long post, so you’ll probably want to read it in its entirety. If anything, this seems the kind of thing you were wondering about.
> 
> Post 703, Paul votes brewha.
> 
> Post 716, Khameleon votes brewha. He also discusses Crys vs. Captain Klutz.
> 
> Post 720, Lakai votes brewha.
> 
> Post 722, Hooker votes brewha.
> 
> Post 726, Meeko unvotes sachertorte, votes brewha.
> 
> Post 730, ToeJam returns, and votes brewha.
> 
> Post 743, Crys votes brewha, speculates he may be the Consigliere.
> 
> Post 767, Johnny Bravo unvotes all, votes brewha.
> 
> Post 794, Prof. P. unvotes Sario, votes brewha.
> 
> Post 795, jsgoddess votes Crys. This is another lengthy read you should check.
> 
> Post 803, Hawkeyeop votes Crys.
> 
> Post 806, brewha votes sachertorte.
> 
> Post 812, Guiri unvotes all, votes snfaulkner, “For these posts where he believes Crys and her claim but is voting her because he’s not sure how we can ensure she votes with town:”.
> 
> Post 860, Zeriel unvotes Paul, votes Crys.
> 
> Post 909, Biotop unvotes brewha, votes ToeJam.
> 
> Post 913, sachertorte unvotes brewha, votes ToeJam. This is the post where he also claims to be a 3P, allied with Crys.
> 
> Post 947, BillMc votes brewha. He considers voting Crys, but thinks her the lesser of two evils.
> 
> Post 950, Capt. Klutz unvotes Crys, votes ToeJam.
> 
> Post 956, Total Lost votes brewha.
> 
> Post 959, Scathach votes Crys.
> 
> Post 976, jsgoddess unvotes Crys, votes Pleonast.
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> Post 988, Hooker unvotes all, votes ToeJam.
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> Post 991, Sunny Daze unvotes Crys to vote ToeJam.
> 
> Post 995, Guiri unvotes all, votes ToeJam, saying snfaulkner isn’t going anywhere.
> 
> Post 1000, Thing Fish unvotes Pleonast, votes ToeJam.
> 
> Post 1002, raventhief unvotes all, votes ToeJam.
> 
> Post 1023, Sunny Daze unvotes all, votes ToeJam.
> 
> Post 1033, Inner Stickler votes brewha.
> 
> Post 1036, MHaye votes ToeJam.
> 
> I hope that is more helpful.

Thank you, very helpful! That is great. And you’re right, hardly any alternative cases after that point.

I owe you one (to be cashed in whenever you want, this game or a later one. Disclaimer: this does not extend to votes, of course.)

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**Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/697 "2017-01-28T00:45:18Z")

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> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#):
>
> For the record, I have a town lean on **Brewha** , despite his lie…and a (still) scum lean on **ToeJam** despite his claim.

Brewha is a dead vanilla town. But thanks for playing.

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**Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/698 "2017-01-28T00:47:56Z")

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> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
>
> Guiri mentioned the possibility of LUTHA being Wolves yesterday. I think it quite possible.

> [@Mafia Reunion - Day Two](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-two/777425/577):
>
> that is how it looks like. Third parties aren’t always bad. I don’t see why you need to eliminate me now. You should be focusing on the scum…oh and since I flipped my switch last night a scum power may possibly might not succeed. I’m only saying this now cause whether you lynch me or not scum will take me out.
> 
> You towns people need to take out scum. You have terribly bad aim this time around. You should focus on scum hunting. Not killing someone that has no issue to do with your win/con.

And the switch she has is for the Bodyguard. So, if we assume she is a Wolf, she could hope for some townie protection during the Night, which actually might have happened due to our Wizard’s haste and perhaps even some collateral damage to said protective role via the Hitman. And even if the Consiglere dispatched someone to see if Crys was visited during the Night, that might actually result in a positive result for the Wolves (death of a protective role by the Mafia).

Food for thought, at least.

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**Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/699 "2017-01-28T00:53:09Z")

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> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#):
>
> As much as you want to keep trying to paint it as being truth, **sachertortre** , there is really **no** reason for me to BE modkilled…other than the fact that I requested it earlier. I have, since, changed my mind, however.

“other than the fact that I requested it earlier” IS a pretty good reason to be modkilled. You lack of posting put you on the eligible-for-mod-kill list. You took yourself off this list by posting, of all things, a request to be mod killed.

Then a player asked that this request be taken up ([502](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19955216&postcount=520)) and a mod stated that he was indeed prepared to modkill ([523](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19955233&postcount=523)).

Then Idle Thoughts changes his mind ([526](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19955247&postcount=526)), “just to piss you off”.

**Idle** , if you are town, WHY do you want to piss us off? How is that in any way helpful? If you truly are town, it would have been best to allow the modkill. Instead you are all but forcing us to lynch you.

The mods have confirmed that a modkill is not on the cards, so

**Unvote Boozahol Squid**  
**Vote Idle Thoughts**

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**Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/700 "2017-01-28T00:57:10Z")

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> [@DiggitCamara](#):
>
> And the switch she has is for the Bodyguard. So, if we assume she is a Wolf, she could hope for some townie protection during the Night, which actually might have happened due to our Wizard’s haste and perhaps even some collateral damage to said protective role via the Hitman. And even if the Consiglere dispatched someone to see if Crys was visited during the Night, that might actually result in a positive result for the Wolves (death of a protective role by the Mafia).
> 
> Food for thought, at least.

I am really tired and my eyes are bleary, but I couldn’t make sense of this. Can you rephrase?

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