# Mafia Reunion - Day Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 24, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068 "2017-01-24T20:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/821 "2017-01-29T05:09:52Z")
I guess I’d better put a vote in before I got too juiced to slueth. Since Idle hasn’t come back, I have to assume his appearance yesterday was just an attempt to ward off a mod kill and spew bullshit. **Vote Idle Thoughts** I _might_ be around for EoD shenaniganery, but no promises. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/822 "2017-01-29T05:14:45Z")
I’m still ok with boozy, diggit, or even pleo murders. I am not ok with prof murder. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/823 "2017-01-29T05:23:46Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > What does scum raventhief sound like? I dunno that anyone knows that yet. Fleetwood Mac. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/824 "2017-01-29T05:26:29Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Fleetwood Mac. Ooo, I can’t wait! ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/825 "2017-01-29T05:47:26Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Khameleon, you said > > I don’t recall if there was any alignment revealing investigative scum powers. I may be wrong, but if I’m right, then how could any scum know the alignment of anyone else who isn’t on their team? Are you posting from the bar? Have a drink for me - whiskey sour maybe. I’m not at home and don’t have the roles list conveniently on another tab. All I was trying to do was to make a point that **Thing Fish’s** vote on me was weak and therefore perhaps he had addition information about me he didn’t care to elaborate on. It feels like someone searching for a place for a vote that will be somewhat inconspicuous. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/826 "2017-01-29T05:53:04Z")
> [@Khameleon](#): > > Are you posting from the bar? Have a drink for me - whiskey sour maybe. > > I’m not at home and don’t have the roles list conveniently on another tab. All I was trying to do was to make a point that **Thing Fish’s** vote on me was weak and therefore perhaps he had addition information about me he didn’t care to elaborate on. It feels like someone searching for a place for a vote that will be somewhat inconspicuous. One whiskey sour coming up! Sans sour. ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/827 "2017-01-29T06:17:48Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > There is the Bloodhound and the Informant who can watch people for the Wolves and Mafia, respectively. But would scum care if someone was town or not before voting for them? Any lynch that’s not a member of their team is a good lynch, whether it’s town or scum. Thanks **Lakai**. I thought there was some kind of power where Scum could acquire information. 😉 > [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > There have been suggestions of “Lynch the Lurker”, but that is unlikely to work. There are several players who could be considered lurkers. Townie votes on them will probably be spread out, which makes it easy for scum to place just a few votes to ensure that a non scum is lynched. So any concerted attmept to lynch in the lurker pool is almost certainly going to hit town. I also wanted to mention my thoughts on lynch the lurkers and **Captain Klutz** has pretty much summed it up in the above. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/828 "2017-01-29T06:47:50Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I think **Mahaloth** is 3rd party. I agree, his posts always have a very anti-town tone to them. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/829 "2017-01-29T06:55:09Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I’m still ok with boozy, diggit, or even pleo murders. I am not ok with prof murder. I’m torn now on **Prof.Pepperwinkle**. He posted things I do not think he really believes. Whether he did this as prevaricating Scum or overwhelmed Town is more of a problem. \*\*Angel \*\* is playing her “Town” game. Whether she is doing it as Scum is another question entirely. In either case I don’t think **Angel would defend the Professor** so adamantly unless she thought he was actually Town. But then she also says she is always fooled by the **Professer**. Contradictions have never stopped \*\*Angel \*\*before, I suppose. I think the “I’m sorry about my poor play” post from **Professor Pepperwinkle** has the same ring of truth that **Lakia** v1 had with his “I’m nobody important” lament on Day 1. But what else would a Scum **Professor** post? It is not clear to me anymore either way on **Professor Pepperwinkle**. Somebody in the \*\*Pleonast \*\*/ \*\*Thing Fish \*\* squabble is probably Scum. I would be OK if the vig took a shot there. If \*\*ToeJam \*\*is telling the truth (and I think he is), then _maybe our Vig is not automatically being shut off by the switch holder_. I think \*\*ToeJam \*\*was the logical vig target on Night 2, and if he (\*\*ToeJam \*\*) is really self-protecting Doc Seward, then that would be a reason the vig kill did not happen regardless of switch holder action. So our secondary cases here might matter toNight if they can influence the vig. I hope we can put the tension from Day3 behind us soon. That atmosphere is no fun to play, and with life issues and world issues so tough right now for so many, I don’t think our games ever need to get like that. As with every Sunday, I will miss EOD due to work. No last minute shenanigans this week everyone, OK? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/830 "2017-01-29T07:07:50Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > I’m torn now on **Prof.Pepperwinkle**. He posted things I do not think he really believes. Whether he did this as prevaricating Scum or overwhelmed Town is more of a problem. \*\*Angel \*\* is playing her “Town” game. Whether she is doing it as Scum is another question entirely. > > In either case I don’t think **Angel would defend the Professor** so adamantly unless she thought he was actually Town. But then she also says she is always fooled by the **Professer**. Contradictions have never stopped \*\*Angel \*\*before, I suppose. > > I think the “I’m sorry about my poor play” post from **Professor Pepperwinkle** has the same ring of truth that **Lakia** v1 had with his “I’m nobody important” lament on Day 1. > > But what else would a Scum **Professor** post? It is not clear to me anymore either way on **Professor Pepperwinkle**. > > Somebody in the \*\*Pleonast \*\*/ \*\*Thing Fish \*\* squabble is probably Scum. I would be OK if the vig took a shot there. > > If \*\*ToeJam \*\*is telling the truth (and I think he is), then _maybe our Vig is not automatically being shut off by the switch holder_. I think \*\*ToeJam \*\*was the logical vig target on Night 2, and if he (\*\*ToeJam \*\*) is really self-protecting Doc Seward, then that would be a reason the vig kill did not happen regardless of switch holder action. So our secondary cases here might matter toNight if they can influence the vig. > > I hope we can put the tension from Day3 behind us soon. That atmosphere is no fun to play, and with life issues and world issues so tough right now for so many, I don’t think our games ever need to get like that. > > As with every Sunday, I will miss EOD due to work. No last minute shenanigans this week everyone, OK? EXTRA shenanigans, says I! It’s craziness, but makes for hours a time wasting dissection afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/831 "2017-01-29T08:22:09Z")
Unexpected things has happed IRL. I will try to catch up as soon as possible. My apologies to everyone for the AWOL toDay. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/832 "2017-01-29T10:32:22Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > I’m torn now on **Prof.Pepperwinkle**. He posted things I do not think he really believes. Whether he did this as prevaricating Scum or overwhelmed Town is more of a problem. \*\*Angel \*\* is playing her “Town” game. Whether she is doing it as Scum is another question entirely. > > In either case I don’t think **Angel would defend the Professor** so adamantly unless she thought he was actually Town. But then she also says she is always fooled by the **Professer**. Contradictions have never stopped \*\*Angel \*\*before, I suppose. > > I think the “I’m sorry about my poor play” post from **Professor Pepperwinkle** has the same ring of truth that **Lakia** v1 had with his “I’m nobody important” lament on Day 1. > > But what else would a Scum **Professor** post? It is not clear to me anymore either way on **Professor Pepperwinkle**. > > Somebody in the \*\*Pleonast \*\*/ \*\*Thing Fish \*\* squabble is probably Scum. I would be OK if the vig took a shot there. > > If \*\*ToeJam \*\*is telling the truth (and I think he is), then _maybe our Vig is not automatically being shut off by the switch holder_. I think \*\*ToeJam \*\*was the logical vig target on Night 2, and if he (\*\*ToeJam \*\*) is really self-protecting Doc Seward, then that would be a reason the vig kill did not happen regardless of switch holder action. So our secondary cases here might matter toNight if they can influence the vig. > > I hope we can put the tension from Day3 behind us soon. That atmosphere is no fun to play, and with life issues and world issues so tough right now for so many, I don’t think our games ever need to get like that. > > As with every Sunday, I will miss EOD due to work. No last minute shenanigans this week everyone, OK? You’re right that contradictions never stopped me. 😉 But let me be clear. Every time he’s been scum prior to this he’s fooled me. He’s never made an apology like this. My unshakeable faith stems from the apology. Re shenanigans, I’m happy with my vote on Boozahol Squid but I’m not letting Prof go down without a fight. So if he becomes the front runner I’m switching my vote again to Idle. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/833 "2017-01-29T10:57:57Z")
Some quotes below are out of order timeline wise (AKA when they were made) to allow for easier point responding. > [@snfaulkner](#): > > I guess I’d better put a vote in before I got too juiced to slueth. > > Since Idle hasn’t come back, I have to assume his appearance yesterday was just an attempt to ward off a mod kill and spew bullshit. > > **Vote Idle Thoughts** > > I _might_ be around for EoD shenaniganery, but no promises. This is because I HAVE A LIFE, as hard as it may be for some to believe. Again, today was a busy day for me. I wasn’t online (or even HOME) for 14 hours today,…and when I finally was, I then SLEPT for 4 or 5 hours. And now.. Ahem.. **LONG POST COMING UP, IMPORTANT ONE TOO** , SO THANK YOU ALL to kindly read it, or at least take a look at the collection of quotes at the end of it if you don’t want to read any of the rest of it. > [@raventhief](#): > > Right now, i am leaving my vote on Idle. I dn’t know if he is scum or not, but I know he came in and asked for “lynch, modkill, or sub, because 'busy.” And I changed my mind. > [@raventhief](#): > > NETA I have played only one other game WITH HIM Yep, and what happened in that game? Well, I’ll tell you…because it happens in most ALL GAMES that I play in: People get annoyed and/or irritated with me, they start voting for me being SO SURE I must be scum, because they say I play so “anti-town”…and then…OOPS…I turn out to be Town. That’s what happened in your only other game played with me. And that’s gonna happen in THIS game as well. So that will be TWO FOR TWO that that has happened in. Pray tell, if we are to play a THIRD game together, are you going to keep making the same mistake over and over? You really should just understand and realize now: I’m a very bad town player, obviously…because people always start accusing me of being anti Town. Maybe after the second time in a row (with YOU and I in the same game) of this happening, you MIGHT ACTUALLY STOP AND THINK FOR A SECOND, in the next one with me: “Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…I’ve seen this before. I’ve seen him act anti town before, and be overly annoying and defensive and posting like nuts…and yet, he was town both times…I MAY ACTUALLY want to hesitate, this time, before lynching him.” Unless you’re scum in that game, that is. > [@nesta](#): > > **Idle** is a very meta aware player. His whole shtick is based on it. He is always outraged, OUTRAGED that anyone would suspect him based on his anti-town play, because everyone should know that he always plays that way. Exactly…and yet, people keep lynching me for it and BEING SURPRISED I’m Town and not ever learning anything from it (I.E. next game, actually thinking “Hmm, we’ve seen this type of play from Idle before and he was Town in that game…so him acting like this here either means he’s town too…OR…it’s a null tell.” > [@Captain\_Klutz](#): > > You had not posted toDay, until the “mod kill me” post, so you were indeed on the modkill list, Which I didn’t know about. But I want to play now…so if people are still going to vote for me because they actually think I’m scum based on things I’ve done IN THIS GAME\*…fine. But there’s not many who are doing that. See the collection of quotes below. > [@LightFoot](#): > > As Oma says " You poured your soup, You eat it" This is a pretty shitty reason to vote for someone. Your two reasons seem to be: 1. I said I’d do it and don’t want to make myself out to be a liar and 2. You’re only bringing this on yourself, regardless of what side you’re on." * * * > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Damnit. > > Sigh… @Idle, is this what you are doing? Because if this is the start of you actually playing and we can expect the current level of attention you are paying to the game, then I’m willing to hold off on your Lynch. Yeah, that’s 80 percent it…and since I’m about to hang come later today, here’s what I’ve gotten from it: Since I missed virtually two and a half whole days of discussion and happenings, I figure the best way to get reads on people, rather than actually go back and read/catch up on more than 400 posts…is to make it so they all have to INTERACT WITH YOU. How best to do that? Become super annoying and have them all start posting TO you, talking with you, possibly casting votes, possibly holding off…have everyone’s play…for a whole day…centered on you. There’s no better way to get a read on this many players. From it… _Scum_ _STRONG LEANS_ **Hal Briston, I think, is scum**. He came in, after doing the exact same thing I’m doing (being mostly inactive) to throw an easy vote onto me after giving an easy “me too” reason for it. Hypocrite much? **Prof Pepperwinkle, I think, is scum**. He’s second in line with votes and obviously scum are going to want to save him, so they’re ganging up on me. Voted for me, but then suddenly, and very RANDOMLY, switched to **sachertorte** …uh, why, exactly? Bwha? Completely random and nonsensical voting. I think it’s because **PP** knows he’s next to go (probably tomorrow after you all lynch ME and see I’m Town and realize “DOH! We should have stayed with **PP** after all!”) so he’s trying to distance himself from the other scum members as much as possible, so he’s voting for a fellow scummie here. **sachertorte, I think, is scum.** He held off voting for me…for what good reason? I don’t understand it, because he’s said many times “I think he should be out of the game”, and yet he’s relying on a mod kill that won’t ever be coming. Yeah, that’s it, leave the dirty work to the other, more innocent players. Have THEM vote for me and–when I show up to be Town–start picking on people who were on that pile. But as for right now, he’s voting for **Prof P.**..who is another player I think is scum. Well, if **Prof P** swings and is scum, indeed, I DO NOT THINK **sachertorte** should get a free pass just for having voted for him. I think they’re BOTH scum. _Scum_ _WEAK LEANS_ **I think Nanook is scum**. His vote on me is the weakest of all, I feel. It’s basically a “me too” one. It’s the most “me too” vote of all the “me too” votes I’ve ever seen. **I think Hockey Monkey is scum**. Mostly for all of the great reasons that **Lakai** gave. I’ve had a bad taste and feeling reading her posts since I started paying attention yesterday. I think there may be one more scum… possibly **Lightfoot** or **Angel**. _Town_ _STRONG LEANS_ **I think Johnny Bravo is Town.** Say he was scum, well, would he really have been so quick (and the first) to agree to a modkill on me? I don’t think so, because it would look FAR too suspicious of him if I turned out to be Town (which I will)…so I can only guess he agrees with a modkill of me either because A. He really does think I’m suspicious or B. He really does want to remove any “inactive players” that might, possibly cause another mislynch so he can get a freebie at finding scum. **I think paulwhoisaghost is Town.** Up until I posted, he was against all the votes people were giving me due to meta gaming…which is the MOST REASONABLE I’ve seen some being in this game. Not being rash? Trying to take all things into account? Looking at things from all sides? Yep, town. **I think jsgoddess is Town**. Again, she didn’t like the reasons most everyone had for voting for me (before I started posting). It could have been an easy pile on and nobody would have batted at eye, but she was against it, at first. **I think snfaulkner is Town.** Again, a player who seems to be showing pretty reasonal rational (at least in all the posts I’ve seen) _Town_ _WEAK LEANS_ Everyone else * * * Finally, I want to point something out…namely all of these posts, _ **which were made BEFORE I posted in this thread once.** _ > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > **Idle Thoughts** - yes, this is a FOS. He started this party. Where is he? I’d like to know if there are IRL constraints (mod-life) what have you, can’t find a sub, whatever, or if there’s something else keeping him from playing. **I know we’re mixed on whether “meta” analysis of play-style is relevant, but is this consistent with his play-style?** > [@LightFoot](#): > > \*\* Idle \*\* always claims D1- \*\* Idle \*\* does not like being Scum ever - He has asked for a sub this game\*\* AND ( meta sorry) he has been vocal elsewhere online\*\* > I conclude \*\* Idle \*\* Is Not Town > [@Biotop](#): > > In his last game on Giraffe, \*\*Idle Thoughts \*\* said he hated being Scum and would ask the mods not to give him such a role or sub out if he was given Scum. He made a comment in one of his few posts in this game about maybe needing to be subbed. > > \*\*I think suspicion on \*\*Idle Thoughts **for these meta reasons is sound.** [In reply to someone saying the “meta reasons” are sound]: > [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > **I agree with this completely.** He actually taught me to play and he’s always said he hates being scum. > [@raventhief](#): > > **I’m liking the argument on Idle, for largely meta reasons**. I don’t have the meta on the players that others do, but last time I mentioned that I was told I no longer get to play the newb card 😃 > [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Perhaps an oversimplification on my part, but that’s how I view it personally. No one should take my synopsis as gospel. > > **I know I stated how much I hate using meta info from previous games in current ones, but if what everyone is saying about a scum Idle is true** then it crosses the line into an M.O. I just don’t know if we should cut bait and lynch or wait for modkill and continue scum hunting. > > This game has me second guessing my sincerely held beliefs on gameplay. > [@raventhief](#): > > As I said before, but didn’t vote, **I like the Idle argument for meta reasons**. I still think the problem of ToeJam needs to be resolved, but for now… > > \*\*Vote Idle Thoughts. \*\* > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > \*\*I would add that my general observation of Idle is that when things don’t go his way he lacks enthusiasm and thus participates very little if at all. I agree that it is known he hates being scum and has been vocal about it in the past. \*\* His presence elsewhere is also support for him not liking his role, but could also be that he didn’t realize how huge this game would become when he thought it would be fun. I’m guessing 1000+ posts per day is too much for him and he is either scum or other role he doesn’t like and is either comfortable being mod killed at this point or is waiting for the game to get more manageable before he blesses us with his participation. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk > [@ToeJam](#): > > If you honestly want to lynch the lurker, then you got to look for intentional cases of lurking: A player who is inactive in the thread, but active elsewhere (thus proving they are not just absent from the game or on vacation or something like that). > > For that, and **the MetaGameLogic that yeah- Idle tends to partipate more than he has been doing, but hates being scum;** as well as being one of the people who dropped a vote on me, and then just walked away from it, but it was an easy vote to make and take no heat on by just claiming it’s a D1 follow up: > > **Vote Idle Thoughts** > > Intent is everything. > -R > [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > **Damn do I _hate_ meta-reasoning in this game. But…it’s 100% true. Idle is almost certainly is scum.** > > Vote **Idle Thoughts** > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > If he’s scum **(I don’t have the same metaknowledge as you guys who are so certain)**, then it’s only a bad lynch **if he is not utilizing a role power.** > [@ToeJam](#): > > -MY List- > Prof. Winklie. > **Idle Thoughts (meta reasons)** > Guiri (In Game) > Thing Fish (See my N2 issues with his D2) > SunnyDaze (who got real quiet on me) > BioTop (You’re lower… but you are someone who was going for me, then quickly backed away post-claim) > > -R These are the only two posts made after my bevy of posts…and yet, it STILL SAYS: > [@BillMC](#): > > So that moves idle up to the top of my suspicion list, **tho it’s for purely metagame reasons** > [color=blue] **vote: idle** [color] > [@nesta](#): > > **Idle is a very meta aware player.** His whole shtick is based on it. He is always outraged, OUTRAGED that anyone would suspect him based on his anti-town play, because everyone should know that he always plays that way. What the hell? Was anyone interested in voting for me for…um…y’anno…actual things I’ve done in THIS game? Seems like everyone and their mother is suspicious of me and voted for me for META GAME reasons. Not anything actually concrete, mind you, just for “over the course of history” games. Shit, where the hell is **MHaye** when you need him? Whatever happened to his “grudges are bad” rule? At least **Pleonast** had the wisdom of seeing what he was doing and unvoting me for it. Because see, here’s the thing…you all admit that your voting is for meta game reasons…and what happens when those REASONS TURN OUT TO BE WRONG? (WHICH: They are) What then? Because before I even made one post in here, people had “in stone” convinced I was already scum, not for anything or post I’ve actually made in this game… just because “Oh, he went inactive…it must be because he’s scum and he doesn’t like to play scum” Christ…is it any small wonder why I was frustrated, then, upon coming back and reading all of those reasons for having votes? Yeah, I was a little frustrated. Enough to say “to hell with this game” (at the time) in a post. But then the frustration seethed and, after \*\*Johnny Bravo’\*\*s post (which, at the time of my reading it through red eyes–looked more like it was saying “Fine, modkill him please. Who needs him? We can then go after actual scum then with a free chance!”), I decided “Fine, okay, I’ll give them what they want and post. …and post…and post…and post…” …which, of course, gets even MORE VOTES: Mostly just for being annoying and irritating…which, again, has no actual bearing on whether or not they think I’m actual town or scum. Look, when I’m scum, I’m playfully annoying, I only ever get posting a ton and coming off as “hostile” apparently, when I’m TOWN. Again, raise your hand if you’ve seen me do this in a ton of games already…you want to talk about META REASONING? Fine. There you go. Raise your hand if you’ve ever seen “OUTRAGED IDLE” in a game and he was TOWN, in the end. Let me guess…MORE THAN A FEW TIMES, right? Gaysus Keerist… the quotes above are enough to make ANY player frustrated. Votes that have no backbone, no solid evidence, and are so weak, they might as well be made out of toothpicks or playing cards. So yeah, I showed that frustration yesterday, a bit. Even now I still am. Because it’s a frustrating thing. Now…I will make one last try to everyone: I want to play now. I’m sorry for saying I was going to stay in the game to piss people off. I changed my mind. I will be active. How many votes would I lose if everyone who is only voting for me for meta reasons OR because they were irritated at me? I’m guessing enough to make me not be the vote leader any more. So if you care about WINNING this game…UNVOTE me…because you’re about to make YET ANOTHER mistake and kill a TOWNSPERSON. And at this point, town can’t really afford to lose any more townspeople. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/834 "2017-01-29T11:18:33Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > 1. Scum struggle to come up with more than one or two suspicions. People willing to put up contemporaneous suspicions are slightly more likely to be town IMO. This might be less true in a game with 2 Scum-teams because Scum can actually hunt Scum in this game without hurting their own team. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/835 "2017-01-29T11:19:03Z")
NETA: Forgot about **ToeJam**. Throw him under the “weak SCUM leans” list. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/836 "2017-01-29T11:24:27Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Some quotes below are out of order timeline wise (AKA when they were made) to allow for easier point responding. > > This is because I HAVE A LIFE, as hard as it may be for some to believe. Again, today was a busy day for me. I wasn’t online (or even HOME) for 14 hours today,…and when I finally was, I then SLEPT for 4 or 5 hours. > > And now… Ahem… > **LONG POST COMING UP, IMPORTANT ONE TOO** , SO THANK YOU ALL to kindly read it, or at least take a look at the collection of quotes at the end of it if you don’t want to read any of the rest of it. > > And I changed my mind. > > Yep, and what happened in that game? Well, I’ll tell you…because it happens in most ALL GAMES that I play in: People get annoyed and/or irritated with me, they start voting for me being SO SURE I must be scum, because they say I play so “anti-town”…and then…OOPS…I turn out to be Town. > That’s what happened in your only other game played with me. And that’s gonna happen in THIS game as well. So that will be TWO FOR TWO that that has happened in. > Pray tell, if we are to play a THIRD game together, are you going to keep making the same mistake over and over? > > You really should just understand and realize now: I’m a very bad town player, obviously…because people always start accusing me of being anti Town. Maybe after the second time in a row (with YOU and I in the same game) of this happening, you MIGHT ACTUALLY STOP AND THINK FOR A SECOND, in the next one with me: “Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…I’ve seen this before. I’ve seen him act anti town before, and be overly annoying and defensive and posting like nuts…and yet, he was town both times…I MAY ACTUALLY want to hesitate, this time, before lynching him.” > > Unless you’re scum in that game, that is. > > Exactly…and yet, people keep lynching me for it and BEING SURPRISED I’m Town and not ever learning anything from it (I.E. next game, actually thinking “Hmm, we’ve seen this type of play from Idle before and he was Town in that game…so him acting like this here either means he’s town too…OR…it’s a null tell.” > > Which I didn’t know about. > > But I want to play now…so if people are still going to vote for me because they actually think I’m scum based on things I’ve done IN THIS GAME\*…fine. > > But there’s not many who are doing that. See the collection of quotes below. > > This is a pretty shitty reason to vote for someone. Your two reasons seem to be: 1. I said I’d do it and don’t want to make myself out to be a liar and 2. You’re only bringing this on yourself, regardless of what side you’re on." > > * * * > > Yeah, that’s 80 percent it…and since I’m about to hang come later today, here’s what I’ve gotten from it: > > Since I missed virtually two and a half whole days of discussion and happenings, I figure the best way to get reads on people, rather than actually go back and read/catch up on more than 400 posts…is to make it so they all have to INTERACT WITH YOU. How best to do that? Become super annoying and have them all start posting TO you, talking with you, possibly casting votes, possibly holding off…have everyone’s play…for a whole day…centered on you. There’s no better way to get a read on this many players. > > From it… > > _Scum_ _STRONG LEANS_ > > **Hal Briston, I think, is scum**. He came in, after doing the exact same thing I’m doing (being mostly inactive) to throw an easy vote onto me after giving an easy “me too” reason for it. Hypocrite much? > **Prof Pepperwinkle, I think, is scum**. He’s second in line with votes and obviously scum are going to want to save him, so they’re ganging up on me. Voted for me, but then suddenly, and very RANDOMLY, switched to **sachertorte** …uh, why, exactly? Bwha? Completely random and nonsensical voting. I think it’s because **PP** knows he’s next to go (probably tomorrow after you all lynch ME and see I’m Town and realize “DOH! We should have stayed with **PP** after all!”) so he’s trying to distance himself from the other scum members as much as possible, so he’s voting for a fellow scummie here. > **sachertorte, I think, is scum.** He held off voting for me…for what good reason? I don’t understand it, because he’s said many times “I think he should be out of the game”, and yet he’s relying on a mod kill that won’t ever be coming. Yeah, that’s it, leave the dirty work to the other, more innocent players. Have THEM vote for me and–when I show up to be Town–start picking on people who were on that pile. But as for right now, he’s voting for **Prof P.** …who is another player I think is scum. Well, if **Prof P** swings and is scum, indeed, I DO NOT THINK **sachertorte** should get a free pass just for having voted for him. I think they’re BOTH scum. > _Scum_ _WEAK LEANS_ > > **I think Nanook is scum**. His vote on me is the weakest of all, I feel. It’s basically a “me too” one. It’s the most “me too” vote of all the “me too” votes I’ve ever seen. > **I think Hockey Monkey is scum**. Mostly for all of the great reasons that **Lakai** gave. I’ve had a bad taste and feeling reading her posts since I started paying attention yesterday. > I think there may be one more scum… possibly **Lightfoot** or **Angel**. > _Town_ _STRONG LEANS_ > > **I think Johnny Bravo is Town.** Say he was scum, well, would he really have been so quick (and the first) to agree to a modkill on me? I don’t think so, because it would look FAR too suspicious of him if I turned out to be Town (which I will)…so I can only guess he agrees with a modkill of me either because A. He really does think I’m suspicious or B. He really does want to remove any “inactive players” that might, possibly cause another mislynch so he can get a freebie at finding scum. > **I think paulwhoisaghost is Town.** Up until I posted, he was against all the votes people were giving me due to meta gaming…which is the MOST REASONABLE I’ve seen some being in this game. Not being rash? Trying to take all things into account? Looking at things from all sides? Yep, town. > **I think jsgoddess is Town**. Again, she didn’t like the reasons most everyone had for voting for me (before I started posting). It could have been an easy pile on and nobody would have batted at eye, but she was against it, at first. > **I think snfaulkner is Town.** Again, a player who seems to be showing pretty reasonal rational (at least in all the posts I’ve seen) > > _Town_ _WEAK LEANS_ > > Everyone else > > * * * > > Finally, I want to point something out…namely all of these posts, _ **which were made BEFORE I posted in this thread once.** _ > > [In reply to someone saying the “meta reasons” are sound]: > > These are the only two posts made after my bevy of posts…and yet, it STILL SAYS: > > What the hell? Was anyone interested in voting for me for…um…y’anno…actual things I’ve done in THIS game? > Seems like everyone and their mother is suspicious of me and voted for me for META GAME reasons. Not anything actually concrete, mind you, just for “over the course of history” games. Shit, where the hell is **MHaye** when you need him? Whatever happened to his “grudges are bad” rule? At least **Pleonast** had the wisdom of seeing what he was doing and unvoting me for it. > > Because see, here’s the thing…you all admit that your voting is for meta game reasons…and what happens when those REASONS TURN OUT TO BE WRONG? (WHICH: They are) What then? Because before I even made one post in here, people had “in stone” convinced I was already scum, not for anything or post I’ve actually made in this game… just because “Oh, he went inactive…it must be because he’s scum and he doesn’t like to play scum” > > Christ…is it any small wonder why I was frustrated, then, upon coming back and reading all of those reasons for having votes? Yeah, I was a little frustrated. Enough to say “to hell with this game” (at the time) in a post. > > But then the frustration seethed and, after \*\*Johnny Bravo’\*\*s post (which, at the time of my reading it through red eyes–looked more like it was saying “Fine, modkill him please. Who needs him? We can then go after actual scum then with a free chance!”), I decided “Fine, okay, I’ll give them what they want and post. …and post…and post…and post…” > > …which, of course, gets even MORE VOTES: Mostly just for being annoying and irritating…which, again, has no actual bearing on whether or not they think I’m actual town or scum. > Look, when I’m scum, I’m playfully annoying, I only ever get posting a ton and coming off as “hostile” apparently, when I’m TOWN. Again, raise your hand if you’ve seen me do this in a ton of games already…you want to talk about META REASONING? Fine. There you go. Raise your hand if you’ve ever seen “OUTRAGED IDLE” in a game and he was TOWN, in the end. Let me guess…MORE THAN A FEW TIMES, right? > Gaysus Keerist… the quotes above are enough to make ANY player frustrated. Votes that have no backbone, no solid evidence, and are so weak, they might as well be made out of toothpicks or playing cards. So yeah, I showed that frustration yesterday, a bit. Even now I still am. Because it’s a frustrating thing. > Now…I will make one last try to everyone: I want to play now. I’m sorry for saying I was going to stay in the game to piss people off. I changed my mind. I will be active. How many votes would I lose if everyone who is only voting for me for meta reasons OR because they were irritated at me? I’m guessing enough to make me not be the vote leader any more. > So if you care about WINNING this game…UNVOTE me…because you’re about to make YET ANOTHER mistake and kill a TOWNSPERSON. And at this point, town can’t really afford to lose any more townspeople. Ugh, it’s probably because Khameleon made me drink all the whiskey, but, [I’m going to allow this.](https://youtu.be/R8sFE8_usN0) \*\* unvote Idle Thoughts \*\* \*\* Vote boozy squid\*\* However, if I happen to wake up before EoD and see prof in trouble, I will switch back to idle. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/837 "2017-01-29T11:26:39Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Nope. > > \*\* Professor Pepperwinkle \*\* > > For assuming the scum are all low posters, while his post count is padded with vote and post counts. For calling out non-participants while barely contributing to the game. For wanting to lynch the 3P at a time they pose no immediate threat to town’s wincon but definitely would benefit scum to have lynched. Any one thing wouldn’t be enough for me to vote him… but put all three together and I’m happy to lynch him. I still plan to reread for other cultist pushers this evening but I’m not ignore one right in front of me. \*\* Professor Pepperwinkle \*\* I have not read anything beyond this post. But I read someone yesterDay asking us to post as we read to bring more data to the game. My voting on Prof. Pepper is based on the post Paul is replying to and for the reason stated in the response I just quoted. Back to reading… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/838 "2017-01-29T11:37:38Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > _shrug_ > > I’m mostly just surprised as townie trust lists were not popular when I was active and generally considered bad a priori. Ah well, gameplay evolves. For what ever it’s worth I’m not a fan of lists either. They can be used to snuggle/smudge very easily. Also I made a list in my first game on Idlemafia and NAF told me what he thought of lists. I tend to try and learn as much from NAF as possible and so I have never and likely never will made a list since. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/839 "2017-01-29T11:37:41Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Ugh, it’s probably because Khameleon made me drink all the whiskey, but, [I’m going to allow this.](https://youtu.be/R8sFE8_usN0) > \*\* > unvote Idle Thoughts \*\* > \*\* > Vote boozy squid\*\* > > However, if I happen to wake up before EoD and see prof in trouble, I will switch back to idle. [Mod Note] I have fixed your spoiler tag [/Mod Note] Idle Thoughts Thread Games Moderator ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068/840 "2017-01-29T11:56:59Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > [Mod Note] > I have fixed your spoiler tag > [/Mod Note] > > Idle Thoughts > Thread Games Moderator Thanks. Did I mention whiskeys? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-three/778068.md?page=43)